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UAV Autonomous Unmanned Aerial Vehicles > FAA Crack Down
 
 
DKTek
Senior Heliman
Location: Melbourne, FL-USA

http://www.flightglobal.com/article...s-for-uavs.html

UGH!

The beatings will continue until morale improves...
02-13-2007 Over year old.
 
 
ESWLFSE
Elite Veteran
Location: Bradenton, FL USA

Does this affect radio controlled aircraft with photo/video capability or strictly UAVs??
02-13-2007 Over year old.
 
 
DKTek
Senior Heliman
Location: Melbourne, FL-USA

Million Dollar Q.....

The beatings will continue until morale improves...
02-13-2007 Over year old.
 
 
ESWLFSE
Elite Veteran
Location: Bradenton, FL USA

Well unfortunately they seem to be drawing the line at recreational vs. commercial instead of RC vs. unmanned from what I read?

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“Unfortunately there has been some lack of consistent definition around what a model aircraft is. There is an advisory circular 91-57 out there which pertains to model aircraft. Now in 1981 whenever that model aircraft advisory circular was written there were no video capabilities aboard these aircraft, nor would they be able to carry one.

“There were no laptops for computers back in 1981. So in 1981 when this advisory circular was written, from the FAA’s perspective this was for model aircraft which to us is for those who are doing this as hobbyists or for recreational purposes. Plain and simple.

02-13-2007 Over year old.
 
 
DKTek
Senior Heliman
Location: Melbourne, FL-USA

There's a bit more info on the Video and Photography topics. This all is tough news for vendors and users....So much for our government supporting entrepreneurs as if we are in this for deviant reasons. I just want to support my family like the next guy.

What pisses me off the most is that class G airspace is supposed to be UNCONTROLLED AIRSPACE. This clearly isn't the case anymore.

The beatings will continue until morale improves...
02-13-2007 Over year old.
 
 
patrickegan
Veteran
Location: Sacramento, CA

If you fly RC AP for money it automatically becomes a UAV/UAS. They (FAA) have jurisdiction over everything that fly’s so for the foreseeable future your done!
02-14-2007 Over year old.
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CJames
Elite Veteran
Location: Back in KC

Mike,
I don't know if you have looked into this or not, but Is there a possibility of getting an "exemtion" from the FAA?
Hate to see ya have to move over this

Anyone want a pet rabbit?.............I found him on the road dead and I'm tired of hugging him
02-15-2007 Over year old.
 
 
helibelli
Senior Heliman
Location: Brisbane, Queensland - Australia

sorry to hear things are panning out that way Mike I think it's easier to pass a kidney stone nowadays than it is to get an exemption from the FAA. At the very worst apply for a UAV Operators Certificate and keep an eye out for an unemployed com pilot. If its any consolation you are always welcome to fly stars & stripes Downunder mate!

"Go Gas or Go Home"
02-15-2007 Over year old.
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patrickegan
Veteran
Location: Sacramento, CA

May want to go over the CASA reg’s before you pack up the shop.
02-15-2007 Over year old.
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skeyecam
Senior Heliman
Location: Oklahoma City, OK

Ok...just got off the phone with the FAA. Not much to be concerned about at this time. They are just getting into the "talking" phase of re-evaluating the present regs. If and when they decide to change the regs...there will have to be definitions...as in weight class...height class...etc. These new regs will take 2 years to implement from the time a draft has been finalized. They have to go through x amount of boards...public notification...etc...then an implementation date has to be set in such a way as to allow people who already are using these newly defined weight classes...air space classes...etc...to make adjustments or get licensed or whatever the new regs require.

Here is the FAA site that deals with this type of stuff:
http://www.faa.gov/uas

There is a question and answer area about half way down the page. There is also a place where you can submit comment directly to the UAPO office.
02-15-2007 Over year old.
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patrickegan
Veteran
Location: Sacramento, CA

No, they can't fly.

And I for one don’t understand the “no big deal” stance. Could someone break it down for me, is there a fund or something that will pay the bills and for peoples equipment?
02-15-2007 Over year old.
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skeyecam
Senior Heliman
Location: Oklahoma City, OK

I don't believe anyone or anything has been "grounded". The fact of the matter is...UAV are a new class of aircraft being used in the US for commercial purposes...they are trying to do so under AC91-57 which is for MODELs only...there are no proposed revisions to AC 91-57...because UAV or even RC's being used for profit DO NOT fall into the category regulated by AC 91-57. There will have to be a completely new set of regs written defining what a UAV is...can and cannot be used for...weight class...airspace class...license class...etc... this is not going to happen overnight...quite frankly...I would be very surprised if it happened in 2 years.
02-15-2007 Over year old.
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patrickegan
Veteran
Location: Sacramento, CA

For the last few years the FAA has been telling people to fly commercially under the parameters of AC91-57.That all ended the other day as we are all now grounded!
02-15-2007 Over year old.
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skeyecam
Senior Heliman
Location: Oklahoma City, OK

Ok...well im not going to keep posting here and aerial photography...so if you want my response...it's all there.

Summary: Nothing has changed. The rules and regs are the same today as they were yesterday. If you flew your UAS yesterday you broke the same policy you will break when you fly it today. The article in question is merely a summary of a discussion that has been started in the FAA to clarify and regulate as needed. These new regs will not take affect for a min of 2 years from the time there is a draft.
02-15-2007 Over year old.
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andersonl
Heliman
Location: Chappaqua, NY

This doesn't sound like two years from now

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The current FAA policy for UAS operations is that no person may operate a UAS in the National Airspace System without specific authority. For UAS operating as public aircraft the authority is the COA, for UAS operating as civil aircraft the authority is special airworthiness certificates, and for model aircraft the authority is AC 91–57.
The FAA recognizes that people and companies other than modelers might
be flying UAS with the mistaken understanding that they are legally operating under the authority of AC 91–57. AC 91–57 only applies to modelers, and thus specifically excludes its use by persons or companies for business purposes.

Sure seems like it's in effect now.
02-15-2007 Over year old.
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levelution
Heliman
Location: North GA

A couple of bold questions:

1) How does this affect existing businesses with past or present government contracts? Examples: Rotomotion, Neural Robotics, General Atomics, Boeing, Lockheed?

2) How does this affect the shade tree UAV designer/programmer/small business owner who is dipping his feet into the field? This individual is also known as the innovator? Cheaper, Better, Faster, Inc?

My guess is that is does not affect the existing businesses with lucrative contracts. But, if I want to test my cheap, small, fluffy, foam, homegrown UAV that travels 15' above oncoming obstacles I will have the man at my doorstep.
02-19-2007 Over year old.
 
 
helibelli
Senior Heliman
Location: Brisbane, Queensland - Australia

maybe it's because civil & military applications come under different rules & regulations... FAA = civil (last time I checked)

"Go Gas or Go Home"
02-20-2007 Over year old.
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patrickegan
Veteran
Location: Sacramento, CA

Contractor customers will need to file for COA’s, they themselves can go for Experimentals or fly in restricted airspace (military bases or TFR’s)
02-26-2007 Over year old.
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ErichF
Key Veteran
Location: Odessa, FL 33556 (Tampa Area)

It doesn't matter if your contractor, small enterprise, or military. To fly in the NAS, you have to have a COA, and fly under the restrictions and qualifications required by the FAA in this document:

http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cer...rnotice_uas.pdf

I work in the UAV business, for a DoD contractor, and actually flew in a new COA here in CA today. It was for an experiment for the military on a military installation, but was required to be flown just outside the restricted airspace of the installation. The program had to apply for, and be granted, a COA to operate, even though the operation was flown completely over the bounds of the military installation property.

What's cool is that I'm the only pilot in the company that meets the COA requirements to fly the airspace. I knew my Private Pilot's License would come in handy sometime

More info at:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...gineering/uapo/


Erich

Team Kyosho Regional Field Representative
02-27-2007 Over year old.
 
 
levelution
Heliman
Location: North GA

Eric, are you saying that unless I have a full scale pilots license that I have no chance of starting a new UAV company?
03-02-2007 Over year old.
 
 
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