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Flybarless Rotor Head Systems > FLYBARLESS
 
 
PaulJC
Elite Veteran
Location: Hertfordshire UK

Flybarless is definately on the minds of those looking for the ultimate performance

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02-09-2007 Over year old.
 
 
raptor-9
Heliman
Location: Malta_Europe

PaulJC-thanks for posting!
YEP man,i'am always looking for the ultimate performance;
with all the Tech & good prices commin............well..
what do you think...will r/c heli one day be all flybless?
Do you Know of any RTF Flybless Heli on the market?
02-10-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Autoeject
Key Veteran
Location: Ashtabula, OH, USA

I agree. With the advances in gyros and increasing quality of the mechanics, I believe it won't be long before there is a RTF flybarless heli available. The improved cyclic response is really something. I kept all the parts because I thought I might switch back...no way! Now I just need my skills to match the capability

Mark Webber
wai-rc.com
Spartan RC Distributor
Outrage Helicopters
02-10-2007 Over year old.
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raptor-9
Heliman
Location: Malta_Europe

right on Autoeject-
have you seen Robbe Helicommand?-unbeliveable gyro!!
see the video & you'll be inpressed.....inverted hands free!!

http://www.robbe.com/video.php/en_p...file=1-8493.wmv
02-10-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Eco8gator
Key Veteran
Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL

Hello

Very impressive. Good job Mr. Robbie.

Carlo
02-10-2007 Over year old.
 
 
PaulJC
Elite Veteran
Location: Hertfordshire UK

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will r/c heli one day be all flybless?

I don't think so, cost being the prohibiting factor.

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I believe it won't be long before there is a RTF flybarless heli available.
I'm not so sure about that, there may be a top of the line kit available with a flybarless option, but since its the electronics that make it a possibility the kit manufacturers arn't likely to force you to go flybarless

Welcome to RR village a tight knit community of geeks & gossips.
02-10-2007 Over year old.
 
 
raptor-9
Heliman
Location: Malta_Europe

well look how they are flying now.....no hands!!!
http://www.3dpp.rc1.at/pages/stabilizer.htm

02-10-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Autoeject
Key Veteran
Location: Ashtabula, OH, USA

Paul

I guess I should have said kit rather than RTF. It may be a somewhat pricier way to go but I think it will be offered as a package before too long. As far as manufacturers dropping flybars altogether, you're probably right. There will always be those looking for the less expensive route. After all, flybars do work.

I just don't like 'em

Mark Webber
wai-rc.com
Spartan RC Distributor
Outrage Helicopters
02-10-2007 Over year old.
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stickyfox
Key Veteran
Location: Troy, NY, US

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PRICE:-$169.99



If I buy ten of them, is there a volume discount, or will they send me the full $1700?

-fox
02-10-2007 Over year old.
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caseyjholmes
Elite Veteran
Location: riverside, Ca

Those things aren't easy to fly.. or set up.
I'll just say that now
You'll tell me I'm right later.

Just the one WITH the flybar is hard enough as it is
(own three of them)
02-10-2007 Over year old.
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Micro-Maniac
Elite Veteran
Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

I think you guys are getting way off topic and hijacked this thread with stabilization systems and virtual flybar systems - This is just a simple 3-blade rotor head that should fly just fine without any help from co-pilots or V-bars -

MS Composit offers a great AS 350 model with 3-blade head and a CH-46 also with optional 3-blade heads and both models fly great -

Here's a discussion about the AS 350 - http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t253682p1/

Video of AS 350 -
http://www.mscomposit.com/editor/fi...il%20web_II.wmv

Video of the CH-46 -
http://static.rcgroups.com/gallery/...0/29823CH46.wmv

Video of 2-blade flybarless Hornet (no v-bar etc) - http://www.helihobby.com/videos/Fly...adHornetLow.wmv

This Hughes 300 looks like a fun little scale to me -
Just make sure theres parts available for it.
 
02-10-2007 Over year old.
 
 
devin120
Senior Heliman
Location: Canada

very cool

I think the most likely senario for the companies trying to build a flybar less system will be instead of having a big mess of wires and what? 3 different gyros it will be one neat package, size will go down and setup will get easier. mmmmm.. their will probably not be a RTF version in the near future but rather as i said before a neat easy to set up bundle for raptors, or hirobos,(and so on) just plug and play material.
02-10-2007 Over year old.
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raptor-9
Heliman
Location: Malta_Europe

Thank devin120
Yes man they will be cool-with Raptors,some have made conversions..About stabiliazation...Of what I'am reading the Robbe's helicommand rigid is for flybarless!-
I am checking on it,cause the threads on the HC are all for Airial photography use.-R-9.
02-10-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Pelos
Senior Heliman
Location: Bizkaia (Spain)

Robbe is offering now a flybarless heli:

check www.robbe.com for product 1-S2816

Is there a life outside the sim?
02-10-2007 Over year old.
 
 
raptor-9
Heliman
Location: Malta_Europe

Thanks Pelos for posting!
Rather expencive though!?
I think its more worthed converting a t-rex or somthing similar!
What do you think?
02-12-2007 Over year old.
 
 
raptor-9
Heliman
Location: Malta_Europe

about the Helicommand????

HI guys.
I'am still enquiring info on this helicommand!
I want to know, when using a 3D or RIGID...say your doing a loop at about 30-70 feet..an you loose control of the bird,,...when it reaches 9 or 10 feet off the ground,will it help the pilot to recover??-can somone help?
02-12-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Yug
rrProfessor
Location: UK. Herts

There's flybarless and flybarless. Most helis can be made to be flybarless but with a much greater skill required to keep it all together unless you utilse gyros. The application of gyro stabalisation is still in its infancy and with only one established system currently out there means there is much work to be done in order to make the costs attractive enough for more folk to get onboard. It will be a gradual and evolutionary process although there will still be quite a high minimum cost due to the basic requirement of a high quality gyro element such as that manufactured by Analog Devices. Unless the elements are low drift and temperature compensated, the stabalisation systems will be very unstable so it is fair to say that flybarless will always cost more. You pay for what you get, performance.
By virtue of the basic requirements of a flybarless system, all mechanics need to be very much spot on, anything other than well setup linkages will lead to big problems, servos need to be a fairly high spec and the physical construction of the parts used in the control system need to be robust and strong, otherwise the heli will not live for long. With these issues satisfied, the setup (& programming) issues are also far more engaging than conventional setups but in the final analysis, the helis will be far more precice and tolerant of such issues as phasing, leading to better tracking through manouvers as well as benefiting from an increase in available power to the head and ofcourse, stability.
It's all good fun
02-12-2007 Over year old.
 
 
raptor-9
Heliman
Location: Malta_Europe

Hey Yug-..great info;
I am still confused about the gyros & eletronics,
The Helicommand seem not that much convincing;-Still gathering more info on the HC3D & rigid.
P.S.Do you know somthing on the eletronics & stablazation or the helicommand?..R-9.
02-13-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Yug
rrProfessor
Location: UK. Herts

The helicommand is a completely different animal and is designed to provide automatic stabalisation and positional management. Great for helicams or beginners. I haven't used the system myself, but I believe it's one of those systems that when you release the sticks, it does it's damdest to get the heli into an upright and stable condition.
02-13-2007 Over year old.
 
 
raptor-9
Heliman
Location: Malta_Europe

Hi Yug;

As far with the eletronic stabilization(Gyros)concern;ON flybless...
.......And to start concluding on the HELICOMMAND!......
... I believe it's one of those systems that when you release the sticks, it does it's damdest to get the heli into an upright and stable condition........
...IT IS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE..in general" yes, but it is very depending on where you end, parralel,& horizontal,to the ground.....So,.with limited help for 3D,,One could say its better for lateral & horizontal Flying....and... for AP Flying.
All in All... For flybarless machines,when flying scale-like & mild aerobatics;The Helicommand RIGID.("Money-wize"is hard to beat!..R-9.
02-14-2007 Over year old.
 
 
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