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Radio - Servo - Gyro - Gov - Batt > Futaba 6 ch 2.4GHz System Information
 
 
Phaedrus
Senior Heliman
Location: South Orange County, California

Clearly Futaba is not smart. I predict that they will be out of business in less than 3 months. Fools!

Actually, I think what they did was look at what they sell. And they sell a BUTT-LOAD of 4 and 6 channel radios. Far more than they do 9-12-14 channel radios. That probably influenced their decision.

Those of us that are outside the norm of what the vast majority of RC pilots use and need will have to hang on a bit longer. It would shock me to no end if Futaba and JR were not working on upper end radios as well. But they did have to star somewhere and the meat of the market was where they thought might be a good place.



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02-03-2007 Over year old.
 
 
GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

Picture

I took this at ClintStone's birthday bash. Note that it says for Park Flyers but I was assured the radio was full range and would work in most applications. None were actually excluded, but full testing was not finished for large planes, jets, etc. Range certainly does not appear to be an issue.
Gordie



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02-03-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Billebob
Senior Heliman
Location: Tim-buck-2

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If Futaba was smart, they should at least release a 7 channel version too. If all they release is a 6 channel version, who wants that for a heli?

Good point with a governor and gyro it won't work all that well. You still can get one governed speed though with current governors and that's all you need for 3-D.

BB
02-03-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Four Stroker
Veteran
Location: Atlanta

Back to Servos

The current coreless 5 pole motor servos can only stop at

250 x 10 / 4 = 625 positions approximately. 250:1 gear ratio, 5 pole motor can stop at 10 discrete positions, 90 degrees output.

2048 resolution can unambiguously tell the servo where to stop but in order to get any better we need 9 or 11 pole motors. I hope these new brushless motors will be better !

Also note that the phantom SS system modules claiming 64K positions are not realizable with servos.
02-03-2007 Over year old.
 
 
AirWolfRC
rrProfessor
Location: 42½ N, 83½ W

2048 resolution over 90º = 0.0439º per increment.
. . . . . . if that's what we really are getting . . . . . . over 90º
I have not seen any specs. that actually spell it out.

With a 12mm arm that's 0.0092mm of pushrod movement per increment.
With a 18mm arm that's 0.0138mm of pushrod movement per increment.

Dynamic flight loads will feed back much more movement than that.

You'll NEVER see or feel that. 2048 is more than enough.

Latency is a much more important concern here.
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02-03-2007 Over year old.
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flyboy
Elite Veteran
Location: California

6 Channels should be great for park fliers...... Now give us something the rest of us can/would want to use?

FB
02-03-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Phaedrus
Senior Heliman
Location: South Orange County, California

I don't think either Futaba or Spektrum have any plans of doing anything other than what they have done. I see this as the end of the road. Why bother with anything else?? JR is not even in the market and probably won't bother.

Sadly none of them really understands the market as well as most of us do. They are doomed for it too as I see it.



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02-03-2007 Over year old.
 
 
RCHeliJim
Elite Veteran
Location: Orem, UT USA

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I don't think either Futaba or Spektrum have any plans of doing anything other than what they have done. I see this as the end of the road. Why bother with anything else?? JR is not even in the market and probably won't bother.

I would wager big money that this statement is wrong. I can almost guarantee we will see high end SS radios within 2 years. This is the beginning of a new road, the only end of the road you see coming is new advancements in 72mhz technology.



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02-03-2007 Over year old.
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onewasp
Heliman
Location: USA

RCHeliJim

I agree-----except I'll bet you will see them start the releases in November. (NO I do not have inside info. simply conjecture, but I think it will prove correct)
02-03-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Phaedrus
Senior Heliman
Location: South Orange County, California

Just so I am straight, some of you guys think that it's possible that maybe Futaba and even JR might come up with higher end SS radios sooner rather than later?? Amazing. I cannot imagine that they would think like that given that their first radio was a simple 6 channel system. (He says with a huge grin on his face)



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02-03-2007 Over year old.
 
 
OICU812
rrProfessor
Location: Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada

Futaba should be embarrassed imho. WTF were they thinking??? Seriously why was it so hard for them to release a 9C 2.4 version or something at minimum?? Glad I didn't wait for their Arse on 2.4, what a dissapointment to say the least....

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
02-04-2007 Over year old.
 
 
raptor50luvver
Veteran
Location: southampton UK

Well done Futaba,,they announce a 6 channel system based on a crappy radio

Didnt Spektrum do that well over a year ago and now have a superiour 7 channel radio available

Futaba have missed out big time,,Spektrum are shifting DX7`s like the world is about to end,,why bother with Futaba now?

And i hear that JR are about to do some sort of deal with Spektrum to use/share their system,,,only rumours though,,or possibly a buyout

Seems possible as JR make the Spektrum stuff anyway

Never mind,,there will soon be plenty of second hand Futaba Tx`s on Ebay

Ive already sold my JR PCM10 as i didnt want to wait until the market was flooded with them
02-04-2007 Over year old.
 
 
hootowl
Elite Veteran
Location: Garnet Valley, Pa.

Futaba's TRUMP

Notice it says "Sets Available Now"

Market leaders didn't become market leaders out of stupidity.






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02-04-2007 Over year old.
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KCT
Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Well, nice pictures and all, but have you noticed, this is a 3 Ch RC Car
system. How would this be of any help here ? I would expect Futaba come
out with a Radio that at least provides 9 Ch with all the digital bells
and whistles if they want to regain lost ground. I would expect them to
do that FASST otherwise by then they may have lost so much ground to the
other manufacturer that no significant number of people will bother
picking up such a radio once the market is saturated.

So far, it is great to see Futaba is not idleing in this respect but it
disapointing to me that they are second on this battlefield especially
as they claim they have years of experience for industrial 2.4GHz
technology. So WTF have they been doing all these years ?

Just needed to vent a bit...

Cheers

Kay


That's not flying, that's crashing with style...

TeamBob00, WildCat, Helitron
02-04-2007 Over year old.
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VSPA
Heliman
Location: Abu Dhabi - UAE

Well, It is amazing to see that the technology is here but no company is able to release a 9 channels 2.4 Ghz Tx.
I think this technology isn't mature enough otherwise we would see our TOC champions flying with 2.4 Tx/Rx.
There seems to be some problems to get 100 % reliable system......

My iPhone rocks !
02-04-2007 Over year old.
 
 
onewasp
Heliman
Location: USA

hootowl

Largely true--------but staying there is an absolute Bi--h.
02-04-2007 Over year old.
 
 
OICU812
rrProfessor
Location: Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada

That car crap has been out for a long time, why is it know one every knew this.... one word describes Futabas release into the 2.4 aircraft world "dissapointment". Their introductory radio is less than what the DX6 was a year ago, what a joke. Release a 12Z 2.4 or at least a 2.4

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
02-04-2007 Over year old.
 
 
hootowl
Elite Veteran
Location: Garnet Valley, Pa.

They said they are going to support existing systems if you read my post and the first picture.

Existing systems means 12Z/14z and others. You guys are talking 9 ch but the 12 has and 14z have a few more. If they are going to support the 12 and 14 than 9 should just be a blip along the way.

Timing looks to be this year.

There is the 6 ch radio in this pic..



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02-04-2007 Over year old.
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raptor50luvver
Veteran
Location: southampton UK

OLD NEWS im afraid

Spektrum have had 3ch modules for well over a year!!!


Come on pootaba,,wakey wakey

Missed the boat here

I bet Spektrum get their superior 9ch system out first with JR

pootaba maybe a year or so after that

I like the first sentence in their display board about the most significant development in RC for years,,yeh after Spektrum released it first
02-05-2007 Over year old.
 
 
hootowl
Elite Veteran
Location: Garnet Valley, Pa.

I agree Futaba is behind the boat on this one. I'm surprised they are introducing a new 12z variant without the new ss technology.

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