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Safety - RC Helis are not toys > Darwinism at the field.

Wally_Gator
Senior Heliman
Location: Diamond Bar, CA

I took my bird to the field the other day and WOW..
The idiots crawled out of the woodworks.

First... Two guys with a plank decide they are going to fly and video tape. (the field has long taxi ways) I see them start to taxi and I turn around to check something on my heli. Then I hear a crash close by.
The plane crashed 20 ft from the pits!. The idiot tried to take off
from the taxiway got sideways went across the grass and hit a mole hill.
We are the only two flyers on the field and I ask where is his freq pin?
He says what? and after asking what channel he was on he did not know.
I informed him he should not be flying because he has no clue. I then told him to look about 20 yards out and look at the runway. His response is Oh S&^T!... Did you read the rules? Uh No!
I think he deserved to crash...

Then as I am fueling my heli and watching the guy cry over his broken plane, I see some idiot walk into the field with a electric plane..
Again no Freq pin and try to launch his plane from the pits..
Only to see this thing veer left towards me and luckily crash into the fence.
I figure I averted injury and his plane crashed (deservedly so) and he wouldn't be back in the air so I can finish fueling my heli.
Nope.. He picks the thing up and tries again..
Same thing, launch, veer left and this time he gets more altitude..
Only to go behind the pits and gets stuck in a tree.
At this point I am laughing at this guy just stand there running
the throttle up and down looking at his plane in the tree.
While I was ready to fly, I watched and laughed for 15 minutes as he got rock after rock and nailed his plane. He got it out after hitting himself once..

Darwinism at the field, nothing better when no one else is hurt.

01-26-2007 Over year old.

shuttlepilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Mullins, South Carolina

Unfortunatly, I have met more idiots at flying fields....full scale and RC, than in any other place I have ever been. It's sad to say the least.

Gas is Great
QWW Field Rep

01-26-2007 Over year old.

Nightstalker
Elite Veteran
Location: UK (BEDFORDSHIRE)

thats kinda funny but also wrong on there part, at least u had the field to ur self as they sat there with the broken planks

01-26-2007 Over year old.

red_z06
Elite Veteran
Location: Dumont, NJ

Is this a AMA chartered field you are flying at? I assume you have a field safety guidelines in place. In few of the clubs I belonged to in the past and present, no one is allowed to solo without the senior instructor signing off for transferred pilots and of course after passing the test for newbies.

Most of the new people who get in to the hobby do not have an incling as to how dangerous these things are. As a senior member of the club, it is your duty to intervene when you see someone who is out of control and put a stop to that pilot to maintain safety of people around there.

Safety is something we all should work at and falls on every individual to do their part as one unnecessary accident is too many.

My standard question at the field when I see a new person is;

"Excuse me, Are you signed off for unsupervised solo flying?" If they say, yes, then I walk away but keep my eyes on them to be sure their conduct is safe. If I find it otherwise, I would challenge them to demonstate their competency. These days I stay mostly on heli side of the field but you should keep an eye on the entire field as the field is your responsibility.

My question to you is that "Why would you let anyone continue if they demonstrated their incompetence the first time?"

Before you decided that he is a planker or a shankbone, isn't he a fellow modeller? I'm not sure if you are a airplane pilot or not, but if I was in your position, I would have walked over and offered help. If you are not a plank pilot thereby able to offer help, you should've stopped him from flying as safety is everybody's business.

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I think he deserved to crash...

I don't think anyone deserves to crash as we are not in it to make money but to do it to relax and enjoy away from our hectic daily life.

If they do not listen to reason and are not safety minded, perhaps they have no business being a member of that club. But, no one deserves to crash.

www.justinchi.com

01-26-2007 Over year old.

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gmebey
Veteran
Location: Fort Collins, CO

I like the idiots that come out the airfield and like they know everything about the hobby. Then as they start to explain something rather simple to anyone that actually flys, planks or helis….well heck even rc car guess would know.

Like the idiot that came out to the airfield last year was telling his some all about how a heli works, and was doing a ok job of it. Then the big cloud of smoke rolled from his mouth, “when they are up side down they flip a switch to make it controllable”. Hmmm…I think this guy stayed I a Holiday Inn.

Another fine one that like and have heard many times when landing died stick with a plank. Engine is off. “Oh now he has no control the engine is off” Or “don’t worry I’ll catch”. Boy a bowl of Weaties and then they think they are ready to take on the world of RC with great knowledge…..what we have alternators or generators that power the on-board electronics. Idiots Idiots.

Now the ones that scare me are the ones that get into the hobby and survive a year or two….them they do the stupid things that is basic knowledge to anyone that flys. Take off from the taxiway (planks), hover inverted in the pits…..darn good pilot….but really unsafe. Or my favorite is the one where a guy looses control of his heli as he is 3Ding like a master, crashed in a bad place (behind the flight line) and says something like, “maybe I should learn the basics and not let the heli control me”.

Sorry to dump like this but I needed after seeing the other post today about the 5 year old girl that was killed. I still have to ask what the heck was he doing wrong…something!

"Once you are in RC you are in for life. You may go away but it will draw you back." By an

01-26-2007 Over year old.

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Wally_Gator
Senior Heliman
Location: Diamond Bar, CA

Easy Red...

Please note that here I intend that Darwinism is used in reference to the lifespan of Planes... (edited after seeing the young girl accident)

If you may or may not have noticed in my writing..
1. I did confront the first idiot... And that he was.
2. The second guy pretty much gave me no time. Walked straight into
the pits and launched his electric plane. Seeing that he had crashed I had time to finish what I was doing first.
The second time, he was done and could not cause a problem
for me again.
3. HE DID NOT SPEAK ENGLISH. But I will save that for another argument.

4. This field is a public AMA sanctioned field. For which I am not a member. Yet? Only my second time there.
5. The pits at this field are almost 75 yards long and the Heli area is all the way at one end.
6. If anyone comes to field and walks past SEVERAL RULES signs that are 3' x 6' and does not bother to read the rules, then goes through a 6' fence to be confronted by more signs.. Come on.

I approached those that I had a chance to make a difference in my and others safety. I also notified the Club that normally runs the site.
Plane, Plank, whatever.. I am a beginner Plane flyer and intermediate Heli pilot. These people did not have any common sense to read rules, look for a runway that is 30 feet wide versus the taxiway that is only 4 feet wide.
Nor did they see the map on one of the aforementioned signs..
That kind of ignorance, putting others in danger, they deserved to crash. Karma... What they flew had nothing to do with my statement.
Their actions did however...

01-26-2007 Over year old.

red_z06
Elite Veteran
Location: Dumont, NJ

Wally:

Sorry for being a little hard on you. However, that field should stricktly enforce "no solo flying until signed-off". Usually, the knowledge of field rule is tested as a part of signoff procedure. That means the one who is qualified to solo will have understanding of the field rules.

In most cases, if one is not a solo pilot and you ignore the safety issues, that person needs to be thrown out of the club as he pauses safety threat to the rest.

I still believe that letting one to do unsafe flying one time might be allowed as you can say you did not know. However, letting that person do the same the second time, the blame falls on other pilots at the field for just watching.

Safety is everybody's business!!

www.justinchi.com

01-26-2007 Over year old.

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Wally_Gator
Senior Heliman
Location: Diamond Bar, CA

Again,

Public field only three people there and a pit that runs a total of 75 yards.. Hmmm. Things happen fast and I am not good at doing the 50 yard dash. Nor will I drop the fuel In hand as I am fueling. As that was first prioity...

Anyone can armchair...
I agree that safety must be first and that has been taught to my sons.
The club that oversees this fied was not there and zero representation at the time of the infraction...

I would point out that due to the size of the field and pits, things happen fast and not necessarily within easy earshot. One must always be aware of the dangers around them. Unfortunately we cannot always count on others to be safety minded..

Those who blatently disregard warnings and rules. Deserve to crash...
Hopefully in a safe area so they can go home and not be a danger to others.

01-27-2007 Over year old.

dhollein
Key Veteran
Location: Tucson, AZ

Funny stuff but I know I would be pissed enough to say something nasty to them! Especially since this time it's not the heli pilot at fault

01-27-2007 Over year old.

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dhollein
Key Veteran
Location: Tucson, AZ

red_z06

Why don't you turn it into a military compound while you're at it, General!

Your posts always seem to both annoy me and make me laugh.

01-27-2007 Over year old.

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red_z06
Elite Veteran
Location: Dumont, NJ

dhollein:

Majority are in it for fun and relaxation. That fun and relaxation can turn into a nightmare in an instant as the case of a grand father who killed his own 5 year old grand daughter. While we don't want to make it unfriendly to new comers, people need to be taught these things can be lethal and safety always has to come before fun.

It only takes one unlucky incident. It is true that we can't avoid all accidents from happening. However, if someone got hurt or worse from the above fiasco, the bottom line is that it becomes a blow to entire RC community as a whole.

"It's not the heli pilot at fault" is not very mature thing to say or proper mindset to be in.

Assuming that the flying field will always be less crowded than public park, one should also be concerned about chasing these "idiots" away. That would make them go fly the stuff in public park or some place where chance of being hit would be greater than at a controlled field.

One can be selfish and say "Hey it's not my fault" but the bottom line from a resulting accident ends up hurting RC community. It might be in the form of negative perception or loss of a local field.

Laugh if you will. I just don't see humor in safety issues. As a father of a 4 year old. I am petrified at a thought of a park flyer poking his eyes out or worse at a playgroud. I advocate flying at a controlled field whenever I can. For this reason, I have yet to turn away from people who SEEM to need help regardless of type.

www.justinchi.com

01-27-2007 Over year old.

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coops2
Senior Heliman
Location: New Zealand

red hasnt posted????

so it seems
????

01-28-2007 Over year old.

mdm
Senior Heliman
Location: PVD

...and they want to throw the helis out of the club I fly at. The same shi!t happens there. Genius, real genius.

he who ha, ha who he.

01-28-2007 Over year old.

helihoo
Heliman
Location: land of the long white cloud

Red are you not the guy letting his 4 year old fly

90 size nitros? Bit rich you talking about safety I think...... Don't throw stones in a glasshouse

01-29-2007 Over year old.

Trooper Sam
Veteran
Location: Perris, California - USA

Damn, hate to do it....but gotta add helihoo to the ol' ignore list. His post history shows strong evidence of troll-syndrome.

Trooper Sam

We do not do this to save money, we save money to do this-TheRickster

01-29-2007 Over year old.

helihoo
Heliman
Location: land of the long white cloud

your choice

funny trooper.....that is called a BACKBONE DUDE and an opinion no loss to me

01-29-2007 Over year old.

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