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Safety - RC Helis are not toys > This isn't safe!!!

coops2
Senior Heliman
Location: New Zealand

its funny this site uh60 like a bunch of kids really.....

you are correct it is dangerous......as dangerous as a 4 yo flying a chopper.....nuff said

12-27-2006 Over year old.

ShuttleJock
Heliman
Location: Norman, Oklahoma

WELL SAID!!!

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why publicly call a guy out like that? What ever happened to contacting someone privately when you have a problem with them?

Too many times I see people talk behind another’s back about a problem rather than approach that person and sell the idea of a safer approach.

I would much rather see a camaraderie among flyers that means getting to know the others in our communities and work together to enhance safety as well as our relationships between one another.

Too many times I've seen members of a local club observe something that they think is unsafe then never approach the person that created the unsafe condition, Instead they talk about an incident behind his back and in the process demonized him while the hazard still exists. The "offender" never hears about it until weeks or even months later, yet during this time nobody bothered to offer him a solution. The guy would get the cold shoulder and often find somewhere else to go fly.

No one likes to be publicly humiliated and I think that calling attention to it publicly is about likened to posting nude photos of an ex-girlfriend on the Internet just for spite. Dude!!! Just drop a message to the guy and offer a solution. i.e. put up snow fence in front of the spectators and warn them of the potential hazard.

By standing him out like this you did nothing to solve the problem. You probably embarrased the hell out of the guy by questioning his honor. You think that he would intend to hurt any of those kids in that crowd? Our hobby has it risks and we have to do our best to minimize the hazards that do exist. We do that with communication and fellowship.

12-31-2006 Over year old.

AceBird
Elite Veteran
Location: Utica, NY USA

I appreciated your post Kenny. You may not be computer savvy but you delivered the message as well as anyone could.

I have actually seen and survived three helicopter accidents! The first one was about 5 years ago when the president of my flying club bought a used 30 size heli and took it on a trial run. He lifted off and hovered for a minute and then started some snappy maneuvers. All of a sudden it rolled over and dumped not more than ten feet from the pilots feet and less than 15 feet from me. He was pissed off that he crashed his new toy. I was shaking in my boots.

The second accident I have seen was at a show in Florida (about 3 years ago). This well know pilot (I don’t know who he was) had it upside down off the deck about 6” inches. He held the transmitter with one hand and tipped his hat to the crowd with the other. Before he could get the hat back on his head it was a mess. Neither one of these flying fields had any crowd barriers but no bodily harm became as a result of the accidents.

The final accident was with my own gas helicopter because of loss of control. Luckily it was in a hover when the control loss occurred. It gradually floated down to the ground, tipped slightly and proceeded to beat itself to death when the blades hit the ground.

By far the safest parameter that will prevent bodily harm from a helicopter accident is distance not a barrier. There is no practical barrier that will keep you safe if your distance is not far enough from the impact. High-speed airborne parts will go right through a chain link fence. People have been killed that were supposedly protected inside observation barriers. I believe a hand out should be given to each spectator at a flying site that informs them of the risk. As long as there is an aircraft in the air at least one adult should be observing for the family for any out of control condition. Oh, I guess that means kids shouldn’t be running around on their own.

My personal belief is that anyone has a right to take risk but no one has a right to put anyone else at risk.

Ace
What could be more fun?

01-03-2007 Over year old.

Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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By far the safest parameter that will prevent bodily harm from a helicopter accident is distance not a barrier. There is no practical barrier that will keep you safe if your distance is not far enough from the impact. High-speed airborne parts will go right through a chain link fence.

I disagree. Clearly the largest danger is a set of spinning rotor blades. It would be pretty hard for an entire set of spinning blades to go through a chain link fence. Of course, distance between and individual and the fence will also be an issue.

01-04-2007 Over year old.

Simy22
Heliman
Location: Tampa, Fl

I was hoping to find some basic saftey tips, or guidlines, not a bunch of fighting.

01-04-2007 Over year old.

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tauscnc
Veteran
Location: IL : www.cuttingedgecnc.c om

I've read the entire thread and probably the most disturbing thing said is the following:

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I say its his heli he can do what he wants with it, if he kills someone its his problem not yours

This is the exact same argument that guns don't kill people, people kill people. How do you think this came about? Because gun activates had to come up with some catchy slogan to defend themselves when innocent people got killed, the same logic you are using with helis.

So soon, we will have to say, helis don't kill people, people kill people. But guns and helis surely make it easier right?

It is the responsibility of the user… not the responsibility of the item being used. Guns and helis can kill people and having a mechanical failure, lock out, dumb thumbs, etc. is not an excuse. What should be used is common sense, safety precautions, etc. before flying. Yes accidents happen but trying to prevent them is key.

When I was flying Cessna airplanes (full scale) and we are about to turn we look both ways to visually check to make sure we are not turning into another aircraft. Maybe I should use the same logic and say, well it’s my problem (and the others if we collide) and I don’t have to worry about it.

I hate to jump on you too spruce but do you really believe that? Either your young or don't have kids. This is exactly the same thinking of why people feel they can do what they want without having to think before hand of the consequences. After something happens they are surprised at why they are in trouble or why the outcome extends much further than themself. Public safety is everyone’s concern and protecting this hobby you enjoy should be too. I know if that heli went out of control and it was coming by a kid, I am sure spruce you would jump in to help... it would become your concern, weather you liked it or not. Being a spectator at a public event does not mean you sign up to risk your life by the event host.

If our hobby is scrutinized because of unsafe acts (by top pilots like JK in his front yard with a rc truck crashing into it

or newbies flying out of control and hitting someone/something) it extends to you...it will be your concern.

Maybe this post needed a “public service announcement” on safety huh UH-60Pilot?

taus

01-14-2007 Over year old.

HOMEPAGE

JR_Vibefreak
Senior Heliman
Location: Bangkok Thailand & UAE Dubai

I must say that many of our pilots hover close to a person and
has no feelings for any mechanical failure
can happen any time/moment

GIXXER4LIFE Philipp

01-17-2007 Over year old.

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UH-60PILOT
Senior Heliman
Location: Central Florida

I appreciate those who approve of what I said in the initial post but I'm really not fishing for any praise here. Having said that I was very surprised to see how many people think that safety in our hobby isn't a factor in how we are regulated. Some of you guys have a really reckless attitude and are exactly the type of people who will ruin it for the rest of us. There is no middle of the road mindset. You are either reckless and passive or responsible and proactive. All you have to do is make a choice and some of us have shown our choice in this thread to protect people and therefore our hobby. A hobby that I have been quite fond of and participating in for 27 years now. I sure hope that some of you guys come to your senses and be as responsible as I was when I started doing this at age 11.

Kenny Thompson

01-17-2007 Over year old.

jonah5
Heliman
Location: westerville, ohio usa

Thank you UH-60 for starting this thread and "beating this dead horse" yet again. I happen to be only 3 months into this hobby, have perused this awesome site many many times, but this thread is the first to make me realize just how dangerous this hobby really is. It pained me to read about those unfortunate deaths, especially of the child in Korea. Safety should be first and foremost, repeated endlessly, and repeated often. I've been involved in some other potentially dangerous activities, such as woodworking and using tablesaws and lathes, and our trade magazines repeatedly publish guidelines for safety, not just for new people entering the hobby, but to refresh and reinforce safe habits in the experienced, as well as "try" to educate those who wish to ignore the rules, and expose themselves and others to danger. This thread was an eye opener and very educational for me personally and will certainly help me to be more careful going forward.

And to the one who said, "I say its his heli he can do what he wants with it, if he kills someone its his problem not yours"....shame on you. It would have been better for you to not have posted than to expose your insecurities and immaturity for all to see.

01-17-2007 Over year old.

UH-60PILOT
Senior Heliman
Location: Central Florida

Jonah5,

Thanks once again for supporting the topic. You hit the nail on the head when you refer to kicking the dead safety horse some more. I have found in my profession that you can't preach safety enough. I know 34 people who have crashed full size aircraft and I've even been there to see two of them (both under night vision goggles) through the windshield of a Blackhawk. I'm here to tell you that it is a very scary and helpless feeling when you watch some of your closest comrades burn in. I am a safety siren at work and I know that people get tired of hearing me but I know it is my duty to do the best I can to make sure it doesn't happen again and that my fellow aviators didn't die in vain. There will always be those who are lucky enough to never be close to a bad accident but they never develop as healthy of a respect for what can happen and why you should be so safety conscious. By the way most of the 34 people I know who have crashed are dead. One of them was in the Blackhawk crash in Washington state about two weeks ago. The point is always take safety seriously because eventually something will happen to all of us if we do it long enough. I have been very lucky (knock on wood)and shouldn't be here today several times over but I have always been the way I am about safety.

Kenny Thompson

01-18-2007 Over year old.

AceBird
Elite Veteran
Location: Utica, NY USA

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because eventually something will happen to all of us if we do it long enough.

there is a lot of truth to that statement.

Ace
What could be more fun?

01-18-2007 Over year old.

boing69
Heliman
Location: powder springs ga

Been trying to catch up with the post. I see it that was VERY unsafe and negligent thing to do. I absolutely hate flying when kids are around. If your kid was there, and you wasn't, wouldn't you like to be? For one thing, those kids are way too close.. What is that a tennis court? That would allow no room for correction, or mistakes what so ever. Theres a safe distance for spectators, and its not on the flight line, you should have to sign a waiver to be that close. And your a complete IDIOT to think it should be up to the pilot to say whats unsafe and safe. Alot of pilots are 16 and under and to think someone would give these kids the responsibilty to decide? I won't say anything else, cuz I'll get banned for doing so.

01-21-2007 Over year old.

Hoverdown3K
Key Veteran
Location: Rochester, New York

Waiting for the vidoes on Ogrish.com / liveleak.com

-= I know there is Money in RC helicopters. I put it there=-

02-01-2007 Over year old.

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ZXXflyer
Key Veteran
Location: stone mountain, georgia, US

I regularly fly my 30 sized helis in the street/front yard to tune them and my radio. If a neighbor walking shows up or kids on bikes start to come around or a passing car, I IMMEDIATELY put the heli down with throttle HOLD so the blades stop quickly. I don't allow anyone near me when I fly! The only things allowed near me are trees and MY parked cars. I don't even hover the heli close to me anymore. I agree that safety is the responsibility of the pilot. I also fly a full size Cessna 172. You wouldn't believe the unsafe things I see at the local airport from people who have been flying way longer than me.

02-01-2007 Over year old.

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Camp
Senior Heliman
Location: Back in PA, hopefully soon VT

My contribution to the "unusual Stuff can happen" idea, I have a harmless coaxial lama and after a mild crash in witch everything seem to come out fine I flew a 5 minute hover at eye level to make sure the blades were tracking and a 1/2 piece of the blade came off and hit me in the face. No damage other than it hurt but Jeeze, could have been bad. Point is you can't take chances.

Now I'm stuck till pay day.

02-09-2007 Over year old.

AceBird
Elite Veteran
Location: Utica, NY USA

Use a mirror or a video camera so the eyes are not in line with the blades.

Ace
What could be more fun?

02-09-2007 Over year old.

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