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Safety - RC Helis are not toys > This isn't safe!!!

Wally_Gator
Senior Heliman
Location: Diamond Bar, CA

Seeing this thread fro what it is:

A public service announcement..
It is always what crawls out of the wood works
when these threads are posted.
Some responses are nothing less than juvenile and self centered.

Enough said..

12-18-2006 Over year old.

MJWS
Key Veteran
Location: Airdrie, AB - Canada

You guys can see he is all the way on the other side of a basketball court, right? You can also see all the adults, and excellent control of the spectators, right? Good Grief.

This is FAR safer than many demonstrations, and easily double any requirement the AMA would have. Not too mention it's TAIWAN so frankly none of that applies.

This isn't some rookie in the middle of a school yard unsupervised. It's an expert being asked to perform a demonstration in a controlled environment. Put Szabo in that picture and you'd all be raving about how it was so kind of him to put on a demonstration for a schools overseas.

Completely crap to go rooting around just to make trouble.

Mike

12-18-2006 Over year old.

tim deakin
Veteran
Location: gloucestershire uk

szabo would never do it, and it would be interesting to hear what the ama say about it.
oh,and do you think health and safey rules do not apply to adults as well?

I am starting to worry about peoples attitudes towards such things!

12-18-2006 Over year old.

Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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You guys can see he is all the way on the other side of a basketball court, right? You can also see all the adults, and excellent control of the spectators, right? Good Grief.

Yup, that's a safe distance for rotor blades going 2k RPM. I'd love to hear you theory on that one....

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This is FAR safer than many demonstrations, and easily double any requirement the AMA would have. Not too mention it's TAIWAN so frankly none of that applies.

Which specific AMA requirement would you be referring to?

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This isn't some rookie in the middle of a school yard unsupervised. It's an expert being asked to perform a demonstration in a controlled environment. Put Szabo in that picture and you'd all be raving about how it was so kind of him to put on a demonstration for a schools overseas.

Wow, ever hear of a mechanical failure? Oh, let me guess, unlike the rest of us, expert pilots are immune from mechanical failures....

12-18-2006 Over year old.

david raptor
Senior Heliman
Location: uk swales newport

we fly mechanical machines

that can hurt and kill.common sense should be use at all times.when flying i keep in mind about pilot error mechanical fail er and electrical fail er and that i have loads of room to put down if some thing mite happen. not like that in the picture

12-18-2006 Over year old.

HOMEPAGE

MJWS
Key Veteran
Location: Airdrie, AB - Canada

Check your field guidlines. There are specific requirements for spectators. It is quite explicit and not that far.

Barriers would be nice, but there are thousands of events and fields done without them. Take a look at how far away the crowd is at xfc, 3DM, IRCHA. Lots of Demos are done this close or closer.

He is a long way out. You are looking at the camera perspective and fretting over nothing. I'm for safety as much as the next guy. More paranoid than most...

It is crap to look through some guys gallery and post on a public forum when you have very little information.

Mike

12-18-2006 Over year old.

PaulJC
Elite Veteran
Location: Hertfordshire UK

3DM is fenced from the spectators, a basketball court isn't that wide in reality.

An error in judgment by those concerned

Welcome to RR village a tight knit community of geeks & gossips.

12-18-2006 Over year old.

Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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Check your field guidlines. There are specific requirements for spectators. It is quite explicit and not that far.

First you called them AMA requirements, now you call them guidelines. Which is it? You brought them up so you should be the one to provide reference to them.

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Barriers would be nice, but there are thousands of events and fields done without them. Take a look at how far away the crowd is at xfc, 3DM, IRCHA. Lots of Demos are done this close or closer.

That's the point of this thread. Distance = Safety. There's no reason demos need to be in your face.

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It is crap to look through some guys gallery and post on a public forum when you have very little information.

Um, not really. A photo is worth a thousand words. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to determine that that doesn't look safe.

12-19-2006 Over year old.

stickyfox
Key Veteran
Location: Troy, NY, US

If my kid was in that group I'd still be pissed at that guy, whatever the AMA says. I've seen pieces of CF blades fly a lot farther than that.

-fox

12-19-2006 Over year old.

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MJWS
Key Veteran
Location: Airdrie, AB - Canada

Sorry Ace Dude. Not in the mood to argue semantics and AMA regs. Perhaps someone else without a life has time.

If this is the worst you have seen. Or even rates... you haven't seen much.

Regards,

Mike

12-19-2006 Over year old.

Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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Sorry Ace Dude. Not in the mood to argue semantics and AMA regs. Perhaps someone else without a life has time.

No problem, that's usually the case. Folks talk AMA rules and regulations, but can't backup their statements. Not really sure it matters anyway since this obviously isn't an AMA issue.

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If this is the worst you have seen. Or even rates... you haven't seen much.

Certainly not the worst I've seen, I've been to a few major fun-flies, but I'm not trying to condone this behavior.

12-19-2006 Over year old.

MJWS
Key Veteran
Location: Airdrie, AB - Canada

The AMA stuff isn't that complicated. And rather easy to look up. Its in Taiwan so completely meaningless but not a terrible reference.

Exactly 65 ft to spectators as per AMA. Basketball court is roughly 50ft wide. They are back from it a ways... so really not that far off. I would bet money most of the flight was out further and at altitude, he brought it in a little to show some inverted hovering. That said for all I know he was piro-flipping down on the deck two feet from his face. Look at the rest of the gallery, it shows a responsible individual working to promote and further the hobby. The picture doesn't really show how much care or attention to detail was given. But it looks pretty well planned and executed to me.

I know the sky is always falling.... blah blah blah.

http://www.modelaircraft.org/PDF-files/706.pdf

I've seen worse, wouldn't hesitate to watch this demo with my son. As always he'd be behind and beside. I'd love to see fences as well, but life is seldom perfect. I've learned to deal with it in ways other than bashing someone behind their back on a public forum. Especially an unprovoked attack on an obviously dedicated and long-standing member of the heli community.

Mike

Gotta unsubscribe. The safety debates are always pointless

Regards.

12-19-2006 Over year old.

stickyfox
Key Veteran
Location: Troy, NY, US

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Exactly 65 ft to spectators as per AMA. Basketball court is roughly 50ft wide. They are back from it a ways... so really not that far off.

Huh? It's roughly half what it should be. That's pretty darned far off.

I don't think the point of the thread was to take down a dedicated member of the community for no reason. Regardless, no amount of dedication or experience excuses you from common sense or safe flying.

-fox

12-19-2006 Over year old.

HOMEPAGE

Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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Exactly 65 ft to spectators as per AMA. Basketball court is roughly 50ft wide. They are back from it a ways... so really not that far off.

And those are only suggestions and recommendations, not rules.

Following the AMA suggestions, a model will never be less than 65ft. from a spectator and usually further away since most pilots wouldn't be flying on the flight line

Of course, am I the only one to notice several banners draped across that make shift flying field? That's even more unnecessary obstacles to deal with in a very tight area.

I don't think we're bashing anyone behind their back.

This thread should help those who are safety challenged come to their senses.

12-19-2006 Over year old.

Jon the Rooster
Elite Veteran
Location: Johns Island, Charleston, SC

Them kids sit'n down wouldn't have a chance if somthing happend.

Common sense is Special, Not Common!!

and one more thing "DON'T BE AFRAID!"

12-22-2006 Over year old.

MattJen
Elite Veteran
Location: uk

interesting thread,

i can see the gun hoe US attitude coming through as always in some of the posts.

I used to have a relative work as a Health and safety officer here in the Uk, and when they used to planning requests to turn a farm field into a club field it would have to go through planning application as it is classed as change of use.

Most of the Officers know nothing about model flying at all, so they tap into google MODEL HELICOPTER FLYING, and what comes up a site like this,

they would spend a couple of hours going through the variouse threads to build up apicture as they have a leagal responsibility for public safety.

they then come to thread like this, and othes where idiots who think it is fun to delibratly crash their hellie, the other idot who videod a radio car smashing into his hellie on a public road, and then the car swerveing to avoid the debris,

The trouble is you see vids and pics of to pilots like, Jason Krause hovering their hellies in their front gardens or car parks, and to an untrained eye it does look stupid and damn right dangerous,and the attitude is "this is one of the top guys in the field"

My relative would deny permition based on the idiots he has seen on sites like this and others.

Her attitude was these dangerous machines that are flown by muppetts with excess testosorone and who have no consideration for theirs or others safety.

it was only when i took her to a couple of FAI comps the mind opend up, i like this site, i have learnt tonnes from it, but i think Mark does the hobby a great disservice having a thread on crashes and where idiots can put up their vids of smashes,

i agree it maybe absolutly an adrenalin rush smashing your hellie, but my attitude is keep it to yourself and not air it in public unless it is a safety issue.

This is my opinion only.

I bought my mother-in- law a chair for xmas, but she wouldn't plug it in

12-24-2006 Over year old.

HOMEPAGE

tim deakin
Veteran
Location: gloucestershire uk

happy xmas

12-24-2006 Over year old.

MattJen
Elite Veteran
Location: uk

tim 15mins to go yet !!!!

I bought my mother-in- law a chair for xmas, but she wouldn't plug it in

12-24-2006 Over year old.

HOMEPAGE

akshaw
Senior Heliman
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA

This is the second time I've seen a reference to someone flying a heli near children, the first, a reference in in a few threads below this one discussed the death of a child.

http://runryder.com/helicopter/t287946p2/

Follow the link given by cudaboy_71

(Check the pics--the guy was farther away from the kid that was killed than the guy who was the topic of this thread was from the crowd of kids.)

I doubt that most people who are not involved directly (or indirectly) in this hobby can accurately assess the potential danger of being nearby one of these machines when it is flying.

EDIT. And to make things worse, I think because of the excitement and the interest (model helis and airplanes) can generate, it's easy for a pilot to live in a state of denial, thinking that his skills and pre-flight checks are so good that nothing could ever go wrong. I wonder if those pilots who flew so close to those kids mentioned to anyone that a malfunction could result in serious injury or death.

There is no royal road to flying helis but the sim sure helps!

12-26-2006 Over year old.

UH-60PILOT
Senior Heliman
Location: Central Florida

This is exactly the incident I am refering to in my initial post starting this thread. I have seen the pilots here in Korea do some very dangerous and irresponsible things in very close proximity to spectators. I have tried to correct unsafe situations and sometimes have left the flying site because I didn't agree with what was going on but knew that I couldn't change it. I have also left the flying site after having other pilots fly 3D directly over my head when I was there first. They were doing it to try to tell me I was not flying or standing in the normal place when I was just ensuring I was a safe distance from the spectators and the pits. The attitude here is almost agressive about being unsafe. This attitude that akshaw mentions about an expert pilot thinking his flying skills and preflight will keep things safe is not right but seems to be normal here and obviously in other places.

Kenny Thompson

12-26-2006 Over year old.

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