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e-Classifieds Elec-Helicopters > BRAND-NEW ION-X w/motor & esc (NEVER FLOWN) $1150

Bonkers

Senior Heliman - Location: Virginia -

Ok folks, I'm a reasonable fellow. Seems as though I was asking too much for the Ion.

Brand-new Miniature Aircraft Ion-X w/ Hacker motor and speed controller. Fully built, but never flown. It's just been sitting in my closet. No electricity has been run through it....literally.

Futaba GY-502 gyro
Futaba 9252 servos x 4
Receiver battery.
Painted canopy (red-white-blue scheme, painted by Canopy-FX).

UPGRADES:

Aluminum mixing arms (upgraded from plastic)
Upgraded the tail-pitch slider to the fancier one found on the Tempest.
Aluminum swashplate guide

SAB 680mm blades included.

NOT included with this heli are the main batteries (because I never purchased any!) or receiver.

$1150 for the heli with upgrades

If you want the radio gear, add the following:

$200 for the servos
$200 for the Gyro.

I'm not asking for any money for the painted canopy or the upgrades (aluminum mixing arms and upgraded tailpitch slider).

That comes to:
$1550 + shipping

Why am I selling it? I don't think I'll ever get around to flying it.

If you want just the heli, minus the radio equipment and/or gyro, let me know.

If you're interested, e-mail me at mas3y@go.com

SEE PICTURES BELOW:

12-13-2006 01:55 AM

kookboy
Key Veteran
Location: Vancouver, BC -up north and Seattle, WA down south

Great price and nice Ion.

Too bad I already spent my Xmas money !

... But honey it was only $$$

12-13-2006 03:22 AM

Bonkers
Senior Heliman
Location: Virginia

I try never to make firm budgets for myself anymore....they always end up preventing me from getting what I want.

12-13-2006 05:00 AM

verticalflight
Heliman
Location: Palo Alto, CA

Email exchange with our friend here

ME:

Hey, I saw your posts on RR.... I was looking for one later next year, probably with the NEU setup not the Hacker one. Would you be willing to sell for $1000 shipped to California? Not sure if that's worth it for you.

HIM:

Sure, if you'd like me screw your sister and your mother for $25. Offended by that offer, are you?

You saw the price at $1150 + shipping, didn't you? Did you see me say "or best offer" or "obo" or "make me an offer" anywhere in the ad? You know that I'm losing a very significant amount of money selling the heli for $1150, don't you?

Yet you are rude enough to make me an even lower offer, you penny-pinching little prick.

12-21-2006 04:31 PM

Eco8gator
Key Veteran
Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL

Get on him man. I hate people who try to get something at an already very discounted price cheaper.

12-21-2006 04:40 PM

Jag72
Elite Veteran
Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

ION-X

Well....new or not flown you cannot ever expect to get what you paid for it...1150$ for this setup is not a great deal...maybe a good deal for someone whois looking to save a couple bucks but not enough for 98% of the people here to want to jump on it..1000$ is by no way an unreasonable offer or a low ball offer...what you wrote is so completely out of line and rude that you should be emabrassed by what you wrote
"Sure, if you'd like me screw your sister and your mother for $25. Offended by that offer, are you?

You saw the price at $1150 + shipping, didn't you? Did you see me say "or best offer" or "obo" or "make me an offer" anywhere in the ad? You know that I'm losing a very significant amount of money selling the heli for $1150, don't you?

Yet you are rude enough to make me an even lower offer, you penny-pinching little prick."

That is so offensive and rude I think you completely overstepped the boundaries here....you may be a decent guy but this statement makes you look like a COMPLETE DI*K!!!!!!

I am embarrased for you....

I often get offended by lowball offers but would NEVER write anything like that...be the bigger man and just don't respond at all if you don't like the offer!!!!!!!!!!

If you sell this thing at all here on Runryder I'd be very surprised..........I would never buy it from you after reading this...

12-21-2006 04:57 PM

dhollein
Key Veteran
Location: Tucson, AZ

LOL the comedy....

If the heli isn't selling (for whatever reason), it can't hurt to make an offer. That offer shouldn't warrant an offensive reply IMHO, especially seeing how it is right before Christmas and might be a last effort for extra spending money for the holidays. Ions are very expensive. I also couldn't happily make an even lower offer but it's nothing to get crazy about...lol

12-21-2006 04:59 PM

HOMEPAGE

Jag72
Elite Veteran
Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

Looks like we are all spreading the Holiday Cheer around aren't we?

LOL............

12-21-2006 05:09 PM

TheRickster
Senior Heliman
Location: Beaumont Texas

Quote
Ok folks, I'm a reasonable fellow

That is the FIRST sentence in your ad. After reading the repsonse that you had via PM it is obvious that is not the case. Granted sending out a low ball offer sometimes hurts your feelings but that is just the way it is. Ion's are hard to sell now with the RAZOR being released as well as the LOGO prices comeing down and the T-Rex 600.. IF you feel that his offer was out line why did you not just simply send him a counter offer or just say no way I can go that low, period. I saw no reason for your personel attck in the PM and as far as I can tell you have pissed in your chile on trying to sell the ION here....

Rick

If in doubt lean it out...ION-X BABEE 42Volts with LiPo Suction

12-21-2006 06:04 PM

HOMEPAGE

Bonkers
Senior Heliman
Location: Virginia

You're not going to believe this, but I expected Kris to turn right around and post our e-mail exchange on this forum. That aside....

Sending out a lowball offer doesn't "hurt one's feelings". It's obnoxious as hell.

In my opinion, it demonstrates three things:

1. Kris' greed.

2. Kris' lack of honesty (i.e. his willingness to take the item at a grossly unfair price, and do so at my expense), and

3. Kris' lack of respect for me (i.e. Kris thinks I'm a complete idiot who might actually agree to sell the item for such a low price).

That makes Kris a first-class jerk. I wanted him to know that.

If that means I pissed in my chili or took a big fat steaming peanut-ridden dump in it, then so be it.

As a matter of fact, I decided to keep the heli days before he sent me his ridiculous offer. I was nonetheless irritated enough by his offer to let him know exactly what I thought.

And as for the rest of you....Happy Holidays!

12-21-2006 06:36 PM

R Hudson
Veteran
Location: Waukesha, WI

OK, dude.

First of all, an offer for $150 lower than the price you have it listed at is by no means a lowball offer. It's a reasonable offer.

All you have to do is decline.

I get ridiculously low offers all the time and I'm never offended. I just say "sorry, no can do."

Listing things for sale here can be a difficult task at times, but since it is FREE (did I use caps???) I'm willing to deal with some cheapos.

In the future, if you want $1150, post "$1150 FIRM"

I guarantee you will still get low offers because many people are into haggling.

Your posts here don't reflect very positively on you even though I understand your frustration. Just take it easy

R

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12-21-2006 07:03 PM

Bonkers
Senior Heliman
Location: Virginia

No frustration at all. I have absolutely no need to sell my Ion-X and now I have no intention of selling it. I was just trying to get rid of some dead weight, but without taking too much of a bath in the process.

Good idea about using the text "FIRM". I will keep it in mind.

Obviously, low-ball offers don't bother you. They bother me, however, because they demonstrate the fact that there are a hell of a lot of people around here looking to swindle others. I hate dishonesty.

It's not the low-ball offer I'm losing my cool over, it's the immoral people making them. They should receive the kind of nasty response they deserve.

12-21-2006 10:58 PM

HFr
Senior Heliman
Location: Lagrange ,in USA

Bonkers

Quote
because they demonstrate the fact that there are a hell of a lot of people around here looking to swindle others. I hate dishonesty.

Some how I fail to see how a low ball offer is swindling others and dishonest !!!! If a guy is honest enough to ask you to reduce your price that can hardly be swindling .. it is called bartering ,,,.now if he said he would give you X number of dollars and only sent 1/2 that much ,,yes... but on any offer you can refuse it and are not forced to take it. And even with firm offer attached ,,,I have dealt with a guy that wanted to sell bad and we struck a 1/2 way deal that pleased both of us.
I have also been on the other end of the stick selling and getting low ball offers ,,but when it came down to the line and I needed the money ,,,it was better to talk to a low ball guy and try to get him up close to my price ,,than to set on the object and not have the money to deal on something that I really needed.

I for one think your price is high ,,,with the others I have seen sell on here and other boards ,,but you are the seller and have the right to sell it at what price you want ...but don't come on and blast a guy for asking an honest question ,,,,as we all shop around for the best deal don't we !!! Some of us are not as rich as some seem to be in this hobby.

Nice looking bird ,,,bump up for ya ,,,and good luck on a future sale
My 2 cents

12-21-2006 11:11 PM

Bonkers
Senior Heliman
Location: Virginia

You're mistaking deception with dishonesty.

If you know something is worth more than the listed price and you turn around and make a significantly lower offer (like $100 less than the listed price INCLUDING shipping, which would total $150 to $175 less than the original asking price excluding shipping), that's dishonesty.

I think that Kris (and those like him) know that the heli is intrinsically worth nearly $1600. After all, it has never been used in any way and thus it will fly like a heli purchased from a retailer and will have an identical lifespan. And, it contains upgrades, main blades, and a painted canopy.

But since the item has had a previous owner (e.g. yours truly), there is an automatic depreciation, so a price drop is understandible. Hence, my asking price of $1150--$200 off the original price WITHOUT any extras (painted canopy, blades, or upgrades).

Kris knows the intrisic worth of the heli. True, there is nothing deceptive about his offer. His offer was very clear, and (obviously) I had the opportunity to decline it. But his offer was dishonest.

A moral human being would have said to himself, "Well, if I were to try and purchase a heli like that, I'd end up spending about $1600. This guy is offering his for $1150, which is at a pretty hefty loss. But that's what he feels is an acceptable loss, so I'll take it at that price."

Kris, on the other hand, probably said to himself, "Let me see how little I can get this heli for. He probably needs money badly, so if he'll take $1150 + shipping, he might be willing to take $1000 including shipping. He just might be that desperate enough or stupid enough to take my offer."

Those are the thoughts that were very likely running through Kris' head when he made his offer. Obviously, he was mistaken on both accounts. I neither need the money, nor am I that stupid.

12-21-2006 11:31 PM

TheRickster
Senior Heliman
Location: Beaumont Texas

Quote
Hey, I saw your posts on RR.... I was looking for one later next year, probably with the NEU setup not the Hacker one. Would you be willing to sell for $1000 shipped to California? Not sure if that's worth it for you.

If this in fact the PM that Kris sent you then I do not see how you can construe that he was trying to steal the heli from you..

First, he states that he is not interested in the Hacker setup..You could have easily said "Well for that offer I would have to keep the Motor and ESC and sell them seperately to get the additional funds I was looking to sell the heli for."

Second, after he made the offer to you he states "Not sure if that's worth it for you.." This means that he realizes that it is less than you are asking but what the heck thats all I can afford right now so I will throw it out there...

Yes you are correct the Heli is NEW.. Go buy a New car and see what the depreciation is on it..

I agree with you that Kris offered you a Low Ball offer on your ION but so far for everything else you have said I think you are out of line and owe KRIS an APOLOGY!

Rick

If in doubt lean it out...ION-X BABEE 42Volts with LiPo Suction

12-22-2006 12:19 AM

HOMEPAGE

Bonkers
Senior Heliman
Location: Virginia

The fact that he said, "not sure if it's worth it to you" means that he knew he was making a low-ball offer.

Look, your ethical standards are different than mine. I'm not saying that I'm more ethical than you, I'm just saying that we differ in the way we assess unethical conduct.

To me, making a low-ball offer (i.e. making an offer that you personally know to be an excessively low offer) is unethical and is simply dishonest. That's my way of thinking. Obviously I'm not alone.

12-22-2006 12:37 AM

Trooper Sam
Veteran
Location: Perris, California - USA

I guess I have to do something I've only done once on RR before; add someone, namely Bonkers, to my ignore list. I simply never want to see one of his ads and make a reasonable offer, which will then get run through his twisted mental filter and return to me a horrible and unwarranted insult.

Trooper Sam

We do not do this to save money, we save money to do this-TheRickster

12-22-2006 12:45 AM

TheRickster
Senior Heliman
Location: Beaumont Texas

True, everyone has there own way of looking at the deal..

I look at it this way:

I am selling a car for $5000.00, you come by and see the car and offer me $4350. You and I both know the car is worth the $5000 asking price easy but we also know that right now these cars ar enot in "High Demand".. I consider your offer of $4350 but decline because I consider it just too low of an offer, for that little of money I will just keep the car..

Second scenario:
You are selling the car for $5000,and I come and look at it and offer you the $4350.

You then reply with " Sure, if you'd like me screw your sister and your mother for $25. Offended by that offer, are you?" And then with"Yet you are rude enough to make me an even lower offer, you penny-pinching little prick. "

Difference in these two scenarios are :

In case one: No prob, no one is mad or insulted..

In case two: You would need many stitches and several weeks of rehabilitation...

That is my point...

It is not what you feel but how you projected it that I think everyone is havong a problem with.

Rick

If in doubt lean it out...ION-X BABEE 42Volts with LiPo Suction

12-22-2006 12:51 AM

HOMEPAGE

Bonkers
Senior Heliman
Location: Virginia

Let me remind you, Rick, that the message I wrote to Kris was in a private e-mail intended for his eyes only. Kris is the one who took the liberty of needlessly exposing our exchange on this forum, out of sheer spitefulness.

....not that I feel an ounce of regret or embarrassment over what I said to him.

12-22-2006 01:07 AM

verticalflight
Heliman
Location: Palo Alto, CA

I think the response is quite unfriendly. Perhaps a non-response or "Thanks, I'll pass" is more appropriate.

FWIW, Ions with a set of batteries, servos, and gyros run $1800-$2000 shipped. Probably not as brand spanking new, but pretty close. So figure to upgrade the motor/ESC, buy some lipos, add gyro/servos/etc. My offer was lower than asking but not a lowball.

Anyway, how about $1010?

12-22-2006 02:36 AM

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