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AllThumbs
Senior Heliman
Location: New Zealand

Or, do you just for one minute think that the majority of Heli pilots don’t care for the competition scene? Yes, there were lots of pilots watching who could have entered.. But don’t forget that the Majority are sport flyers that fly for fun, the minority are 3D pilot wanabies, and a further minority are those who want to complete in a serious 3D competition. Sure there is room for all, but all I saw on Saturday was a bunch of talking & arguing among the competitors & officials and not a lot of flying..
Sunday’s Funfly, on the other hand was brilliant.. Great weather, lots of flying by a good number of pilots, in fact it was hard to find room up there at times, and Neil H managed a day without crashing.. Brilliant, Aye Neil
Each to there own, but no point telling those not interested in Comps to Harden Up.
But you are right, the SIG have some things to look at..
05-25-2008 08:48 AM
 
 
plantone
Senior Heliman
Location: Rotorua New Zealand

Sorry beto you are in the wrong thread you should post that question in the electric heli section you might get the answers you are looking for there. Good luck

Wayne

vibe 90
cs vigor
600N pro
600N super pro
hirobo chinook
Trex 700N
05-25-2008 08:50 AM
 
 
JAGNZ
Elite Veteran
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Wayne you are wise as usual, thank you very much for your input and counsel. You make EXCELLENT points which I largely agree with. This is something we, as a SIG AND Heli community at large must address if the hobby is to progress in this country.

I can accept some responsibility too as I did not publicize the event enough at my own club (the largest by membership in NZ). This gave me a HUGE wakeup call and I will have to take a more proactive roll in helping to run events I think. It's a case of 'put up or shut up' I suppose. One person cannot run an event but one cannot also be run by committee. There is a happy medium that must be struck and also 1 person to hold accountable for how things are run, good or otherwise.

Jason Greenwood

Fury Extreme, 2X T600N's, Trex 500, DSX9 2.4
www.3dheli.co.nz
05-25-2008 08:55 AM
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plantone
Senior Heliman
Location: Rotorua New Zealand

Hi Alton you are correct you cant bicker in front between yourself infront of the competitors this makes it look as if you are disorganised & this follows on down the chain then people who are new thinking about giving it a go back out because they see this & think its now to hard & confusing. If an event runs smoothly people will join in & give it a go.

Neil H did nt crash??? who made up for him did Greaham take his wheels of again in the mustang that was so funny last time.

Wayne

vibe 90
cs vigor
600N pro
600N super pro
hirobo chinook
Trex 700N
05-25-2008 08:56 AM
 
 
plantone
Senior Heliman
Location: Rotorua New Zealand

Jason

These are only some obversations made from recent events, i am more than happy to help if needed but unforntunaly my suggestion have in the past been seen as being to harsh & fallen on deaf ears so this is now the result from bickering between head strong people with little or no competition experiance. Is nt that why we have a commitee so the treasurer looks after money, Competition director looks after comps, Secretary does his job you get the drift, to many cheifs not enough indians i guess im saying & nothing gets acheived.

Dont take it all on your shoulders jason. Find the people who with the qualities you want to help run it all with the same goel in mind that can work as a team.

Do we even have a competition director ???

John Knox should also be more pro active as presedant maybe???

Wayne

PS when you coming down for that jet ski weekend the waters getting cold!!!

vibe 90
cs vigor
600N pro
600N super pro
hirobo chinook
Trex 700N
05-25-2008 09:07 AM
 
 
AllThumbs
Senior Heliman
Location: New Zealand

The last Comp I flew in was Taupo a year back?, and only 3 pilots turned up..
I guess that's when I gave up and just flew for the fun of it..

I know people are trying to get the Comp scene back up there, and you never know Jason / Wayne you might see my Yellow Belly flying in one sooner or later.

I guess my two points moving forwards would be:
1) A Comp has got to run like clockwork.. as Wayne points out. And that needs organisers to put firm times & rules in place & Pilots to respect the rules. Finding the right person (Comp Manager) to oversee this would be essential. They need to be motovated.
2) Respect the fact that some do not want to fly in comps, but may turn up to watch & wait for a fly at the end of the day?

:: No Wayne, Neil H crashed twice on Saturday, so he took Sunday off
05-25-2008 10:04 AM
 
 
NZ_Neil
Veteran
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Wayne !

I am very disappointed in your comments, Some of us worked bloody hard to get this comp off the ground and all you have done is stay away deliberatley and trash our best efforts from just down the road. May I also note you didnt bother even turning up to the last Nats but you choose to slag off everyone who tried to make it a sucess.

People have complained over the past few years that FAI Comps are dead. Thats why over the past year we have tried to introduce new comps with more 3D component, It takes time to get the rules correct and fine tuned, this cannot occur after just one comp it takes a number of comps to get it right. I personelly think the 3D Sportsman is not correct and needs adjusting.

For your benefit the event this weekend ran really well once we settled on a planned format with the limited numbers. The scoring paperwork ran a million times better than previous 3D comps as its very complex.

The only loser was you, the rest of us that made an effort had a brillant weekend as the weather was 10/10 and everyone was nice and friendly.

At this event there was sadly too many people who sat on the sidelines and critisised and not compete. Many pilots who denied having helis got their helis out of the boot after the rounds were over and practised 3D. Two spent the morning at another park in Hamilton and turned up when they were sure the comp was over. None of this was the organisers fault.

The only people that should have the right to comment are the ones that made an effort.



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1, Why 2 rounds ?? who changed this & why
Not Sure why that was said, there was no reason why there were just two rounds ? Shame you never asked prior if it bothered you, was probably a typo. Knowbody complained on the day. As stated everyone seemed happy to just Funfly after the 2 rounds.

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2, If pilots breifing is at 9.45 that does not mean 10.30 if you miss pilots breifing you dont fly simple as that they wont miss the next one.
There was 9 competitors, the start was delayed to hopefully get more competitors. Yes when we have 100+ competitors you can have rigid rules, otherwise you have to have flexibility.

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3, It is not a fun fly before the comp nor during lunch time.
Huh ???? What are you talking about ? I am not sure who is feeding you these lies.

The Funfly started AFTER the Comp, not before, not during after. End of story.

The format has not changed in the last 6+ years. You have never complained before?

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4, What are planks doing flying during lunch time this just extends lunch out to 2 hrs.
What planks ? I think I saw one in the air Saturday after about 4:30.
There were a few planks in the air after midday Sunday (as advertised as being allowed)

Again who is feeding you these lies?

Ironically that is generally happened at your Rotorua field when Comps have occured to. On Sunday afternoons the the field is reopened to the local club members.

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5, The score board should be taken every where & updated between each round (missing in action at the nats ??? the biggest event of the year ) why.
You didnt bother to turn up - thanks for helping with the organisation, say no more.

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6, The score board is used to syke you up see what you have to do for the next round its a mind set.
Yep, and it was at the Hamilton field.

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7, You need to have certificates written up & presented on the same day to make people feel of importance & they have a sence of acheivement then they will come back.
Please dont insult Kevin the sponsor, he puts lots of work into this event, and prints of really nice certificates after the event which he posts out.[/quote]

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8, You cant modify rounds & combine novice with sportsman ( shell be all right ) NO it wont. This is just a start.
Again you were not BLOODY THERE, you dont know the circumstances.

Wayne, As far as I am concerned the only ones that have the right to critisise are those that made the effort to turn up and get involved.

This was meant to be a friendly comp (read : Not the Nats) there is no way you can ever try and compare a friendly comp to the Irish Nationals as you suggest - thats a joke.
05-25-2008 11:29 AM
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AllThumbs
Senior Heliman
Location: New Zealand

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Kevin the sponsor, he puts lots of work into this event

Yep, Thanks Kevin...
05-25-2008 12:41 PM
 
 
NZ_Neil
Veteran
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

AllThumbs Wrote :
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Sure there is room for all, but all I saw on Saturday was a bunch of talking & arguing among the competitors & officials and not a lot of flying.

Before this statement gets completely out of hand.

There was one argument in respect to safety as a bunch of kids wandered up behind the Judges, talking and laughing. Graeme asked Kevin to fix the issue, Kevin then argued the Judges were too close.

Yes there was a lapse in normal safety and it was dealt with in less than 60 seconds.

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and not a lot of flying.
Rubbish, there was plenty of flying all day Saturday.

These statments unfortuntaley just add fuel to those that did not turn up or compete but are hell bent on causing the destruction of competition in NZ.
05-25-2008 09:08 PM
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AllThumbs
Senior Heliman
Location: New Zealand

Fair enough..
I guess at the end of the day this is a topic that needs to be thrashed out by the Sig and probably not on RR.. to much risk of things getting out of context & out of hand here..

Neil, the servey on you site will be a good place to see what people are thinking..

I had a good weekend and enjoyed the event, even if I did'nt compete & missed the first half of Saturday. Got more flying in on Sunday than I have for a long time.. Maybe I'll give it a crack at the next one? if I'm alowed out to play
05-25-2008 09:46 PM
 
 
Footey
Senior Heliman
Location: Hamilton New Zealand

Hi Beto69,

I dont think going to a 400mAh battery will help you much, your heli will have trouble getting off the ground with the extra weight. I wouldnt recommend spending money upgrading your current machine either, just fly it and get something decent next time. Talk with people in your local club and see what they are flying it is good to get something they are familiar with that way they can give you the best help and advice.
If you want to get a bigger battery just go up to 20% bigger than the standard and no more.
05-25-2008 11:46 PM
 
 
Flight Engineer
Senior Heliman
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

You guys all need to lighten up a little. Bottom line is we fly toy helicopters and no one really cares if you came 1st or 2nd in the the 1st round of the NZ national contest. I also find it funny that Wayne can make comparisons between a country of 70 mil with one of 4 mil. Face it mate, we will never have that many competitors, and consequently the competitions will never be as slick and organised, so get over it and move on. I am also in the camp that flies for fun and would much rather attend a funfly event where you can also see some guns demo (NZ or Int) anyday than a competition. I also don't subscribe to the theory that competing makes you fly better. The competition is just the proof of all the practice you have put in that makes you fly better, not the other way around. We are also soo small that any competition is flawed in the fact that the judges will be way below the level to effectively evaluate the flying skills at the top level, so the winner will tend to win by reputation or the buddy vote.

Dean
05-26-2008 12:09 AM
 
 
Footey
Senior Heliman
Location: Hamilton New Zealand

LOL lots of scrapping that will promote things well!!

How about giving some positive ideas of how things could be made better!!

I could offer hundreds of dollars in prizes but I dont think I would get much of a return on my investment.

I think the first step is to find out how many people are even interested in entering a competition and then from there find out what type of competition.

At this stage I will sit back and see what people want before I commit any time or money, to be perfectly honest I would rather spend my money on a week in Fiji than travel all over the country spending thousands of dollars for four people to turn up to a competition.

If the pilots want things to run on time then for the love of God get out of bed and get to the feild at 9:00am not 10:30am. aT 9:30am we had four willing competitors the rest had to be pushed hell even I had a go and I am a competition virgin and to be quite honest I had a lot of fun flying in the comp it is not as hard as a lot of people would think.

I will have a think about the future sponsorship of events.
Would I be wasting my time and money to put my nuts on the line raise some money for prizes and get loads of sponsorship, would that make people turn up?

I ask eveyone to fill out the survey that Neil has made up even if you dont have any intention to go to a competition so at least we have an idea of what people want.

And for the record the funfly part and scale fly around was for the Sunday of the weekend not the Competition day on the Saturday.

We try and do something for everyone but maybe we should do nothing for anyone.
05-26-2008 12:12 AM
 
 
Helinutnz
Elite Veteran
Location: below 42 South

Man.......
Was there a punch up I missed?

One observation I'd like to make. We are the brothers. Heli nutz. This isn't a war....we do this to have a good time. Lets not lose sight of that. This doesn't sound like a good time to me. Plankers have this clickiness and bitchiness at times and we were always the bunch of guys that looked over and sneered at them.

are we losing it?

Heli flying is getting bigger here yet we do have small turnouts for competition.....this is something the heli sig does need to address. There should be a way to entice more to "have a go" I think thats all Jason wants people to do. I'd agree with that.
I can understand those that just want to meander around in a funfly no stress type of way too.
I can understand Kevin not wanting to support 4 guys flying at an event. Totally understandable.

Man.....guys it's getting expensive out there right now as well....we can call it the cheese chronicles. Some will struggle to justify their hobby let alone get half way round the country to an event.

I think for the numbers of guys we have we do need to try and cater for all....3D, F3C, scale and funfly to get the numbers at any event.


Hope we can all man hug and make up.

Glenn
05-26-2008 06:56 AM
 
 
Flight Engineer
Senior Heliman
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

Geez Glenn, all this talk about hugging (man or otherwise) - are you spending too much time with your "manbag" down the back-end with the "happy" male trolley dollies

Dean
05-26-2008 08:03 AM
 
 
Helinutnz
Elite Veteran
Location: below 42 South

Nah well.....ok I'll come clean.
I'm a lesbian... I like girls
05-26-2008 09:07 AM
 
 
Helinutnz
Elite Veteran
Location: below 42 South

especially with big....helis
05-26-2008 09:08 AM
 
 
bigbadflyer
Senior Heliman
Location: Middle Earth New Zealand

where the hell have all our posts gone!!

The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live!
05-26-2008 11:56 PM
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Footey
Senior Heliman
Location: Hamilton New Zealand

That is a good question, there are at least half a dozen posts missing maybe more.
05-27-2008 12:54 AM
 
 
JAGNZ
Elite Veteran
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Another RR database crash like happened last week.

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t434501p1/

The posts are gone forever sadly. I don't feel like writing mine up again on this issue right now.

Hamilton was a fun time and I think all the pilots enjoyed themselves. However, I was disappointed in the numbers who turned up to compete.

Jason Greenwood

Fury Extreme, 2X T600N's, Trex 500, DSX9 2.4
www.3dheli.co.nz
05-27-2008 01:29 AM
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