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Radio - Servo - Gyro - Gov - Batt > Airtronics Stylus Tips & Tricks
 
 
Micro-Maniac
Elite Veteran
Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

But those radios aren't DSM now are they? - With the DX6 it was an issue because it sucked at eCCPM disappointing DSM'ers - With the DX7 it's an opposite issue because it kicks butt at eCCPM making DSM'ers very happy - It's context - The DX7 wasn't the first to have great eCCPM performance - It's just the first DSM system to have great eCCPM performance.
12-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
JKos
Elite Veteran
Location: City of California in the state of Maryland

TM,
Yes indeed, Airtronics has had great eCCPM for many years while JR and Futaba missed the boat with every new radio they put out. Until the 14MZ and G3 came along, there was nothing on the market that could touch the Stylus.

But where was the marketing for Airtronics? How many heli guys would even know of the Stylus if ASJ hadn't been flying it? And they didn't even capitalize on that opportunity to the extent they could have. What I've heard several times and even from the Airtronics guys themselves is that Airtronics is too worried about their ground radios to mess with the air side.

When I started flying a Stylus, there were tons of guys at the flying field (counting the fixed wing guys too) who had no idea what it was and certainly not its capabilities. When guys asked about the radio they ended up being turned off by the 4-model memory and the need to swap two cards in and out to get more than that.

I'm sure when the Stylus 2 (or whatever it might be named), it will be a radio of tremendous capabilities and awesome performance. But will they market it more effectively then they have the Stylus?

- John

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12-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
GimbalFan
Elite Veteran
Location: Copter County, Nv

I predict that any new 'Stylus' will be a DSS radio and will be even faster at delivering servo commands than the current Spektrum products. This would benefit fans of all brands as the manufacturers would then be forced to take up the slack to remain competitive.

Eventually we'll probably have sticks that don't even move (like on fly-by-wire fighter jets), that instead respond to directional pressure only. No more need to fly 'pinchy' for max performance!

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12-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
TMoore
rrProfessor
Location: Cookeville, TN

John,

You're right about the marketing. It still doesn't change the facts though. IMHO, the DX7 is a nice radio but it's not enough for what I want to do. Alan has said many times that he doesn't use but a fraction of what the Stylus could do so a DX 7 suits his style of flying.

I just find it interesting that now that the DX7 is as fast as it needs to be, that it's an issue.

TM

Buying tools is half of the equation, knowing how to use them is the other. - T Moore
12-09-2006 Over year old.
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Micro-Maniac
Elite Veteran
Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

I'd never even heard of the Stylus before researching a radio purchase a bit deeper than the average radio buyer - I had no idea what radio Szabos were using - And most places that carry Airtronics only carried the new RDs and I only found two places (car & sailplane guys) that carried the Stylus at all - If I hadn't researched then specifically looked for the Stylus I never would have known it existed - I would have had a JR 9303 instead.
12-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
GimbalFan
Elite Veteran
Location: Copter County, Nv

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But will they market it more effectively then they have the Stylus?

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If I hadn't researched then specifically looked for the Stylus I never would have known it existed.

It's one of the great mysteries of RC marketing that Sanwa/Airtronics didn't promote the Stylus more -- such a great radio yet so little promo to back it up and get the word out.

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12-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
GimbalFan
Elite Veteran
Location: Copter County, Nv

Anyone know what the biz relationship is between Sanwa & Airtronics -- which owns which, etc? This is all I found with Google.

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12-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Micro-Maniac
Elite Veteran
Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

I'd say Sanwa is the mother and Airtronics is the child - Especially since the radios default to "J" mode.

That's more than I could get Googling Sanwa.
12-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
TMoore
rrProfessor
Location: Cookeville, TN

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Anyone know what the biz relationship is between Sanwa & Airtronics -- which owns which, etc? This is all I found with Google.

Sanwa owns Airtronics. Airtronics was originally started by Cliff Weirick and the Renaud family. They started out by importing Sanwa radios.

TM

Buying tools is half of the equation, knowing how to use them is the other. - T Moore
12-10-2006 Over year old.
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GimbalFan
Elite Veteran
Location: Copter County, Nv

Wow. There's a couple names that bring up some interesting reading. There's been quite a few legendary RC folk associated with Airtronics over the years. I may have to build a 'Candy' one of these days. Looks to be a nimble ship.

Thanks TM.



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12-10-2006 Over year old.
 
 
camt10
Key Veteran
Location: ny

bump for great thread with tons of info here

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02-07-2007 Over year old.
 
 
camt10
Key Veteran
Location: ny

does anyone have a A96604 stylus tx case just wondering cant seem to find a upclose pic kinda expensive 120

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02-07-2007 Over year old.
 
 
GimbalFan
Elite Veteran
Location: Copter County, Nv

If you don't find one of those then here's a worthy alternative, and for 40 clams less than I payed. Doh!

The PC1500S is 16.75" x 11.18" x 6.12" (425 x 284 x 155 mm) inside, with easily shaped dice-cut foam. The way they prep the foam insert the interior dimensions actually max out at 4.3" x 9.5" x 15", enough for the tx, a tach, a precision scale, a loaded voltmeter, a couple batteries and numerous odd charging connectors. It's virtually indestructable and guaranteed for life.

Pelican makes a stout case.



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02-07-2007 Over year old.
 
 
camt10
Key Veteran
Location: ny

cool i will probably weight till upcoming local show see if anything turns up there currently using the align large case my rd 8000 fits nicely under my rex not sure the stylus would though i dont want to carry so much

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02-07-2007 Over year old.
 
 
GimbalFan
Elite Veteran
Location: Copter County, Nv

Odd Mix

I've been puzzling over an unusual mix in my Stylus. I've got a variable pitch prop foamy with two aileron servos. Because it's VP it would seem that the easiest way to make the most of it is to program it as a heli, with or w/out the HELI card installed, for the throttle/pitch mixing options.

Ch 5 is the gyro channel but it's the channel I want to use for a 2nd aileron. I don't think removing the card to use only the basic heli functions gets me any closer to making this mix work, so I'd like to do it with the HELI card installed.

Can ch 5 (with or w/out the HELI card) be programmed for a 2nd ail servo?

ATX designates ch 7 for 2nd aileron servos in an airplane model but I'd like to use a lightweight 6ch rx which I've already installed, and I want to do it as a heli because of the variable pitch prop. I won't use a Y on ch 2 because I'd like to do flaperon and spoileron mixes as well -- after all it's a foamy, for flying out loud.

I find nothing in the manuals that describes using ch 5 for anything but gyros or retractable LG. So far I'm stumped.

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02-17-2007 Over year old.
 
 
GimbalFan
Elite Veteran
Location: Copter County, Nv

Here's a Duralite 3s2p 1300 mAh Li-Ion mod for a Stylus battery.

It's a tight fit but with a little dremeling around the charge port for the wiring to the balancer and some tape to hold the wiring in place as it's closed, it fits.
It also takes a strip of thin, strong packing tape on one outside edge of the case to take some of the strain off the case screws where it bulges a bit.

A Stylus battery alarm sounds at 9.1v for NiCd and NiMH batteries but for a Li-Ion the 'stop fly' voltage is 10.9v, and the max charge rate is 400 mAh, according to Mark Byrne at Duralite.

Thanks for the empty case, TM.



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02-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
TMoore
rrProfessor
Location: Cookeville, TN

Looks good Peter.

Nice clean work too.

TM

Buying tools is half of the equation, knowing how to use them is the other. - T Moore
02-23-2007 Over year old.
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GimbalFan
Elite Veteran
Location: Copter County, Nv

Refering to the 'Odd Mix' post above, I haven't yet figured out a way to mix the ch 2 aileron signal onto ch 5 so I can use the 6 channel rx I have for a dual aileron servo foamie with a variable pitch prop, but I did find that I can easily control conventional 2-aileron-servo planks from within a HELI card program by selecting a CP4B (or CP4F) swashplate type and running the 2nd aileron servo from channel 6.

The added features provided by an ACRO or GLID card for controlling planks with a Stylus are not too dissimilar to what a HELI card offers. The terms used in the programming menus don't correspond, but just about anything that can be done for a plank with an ACRO or GLID card can also be done with a HELI card, provided one has enough fresh coffee and Krispy Kreme donuts to fuel the translation of the terminology.

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02-25-2007 Over year old.
 
 
GimbalFan
Elite Veteran
Location: Copter County, Nv

A Bug

It seems that doing a factory conversion to Stick Mode 3 on a Stylus can have an effect on the radio's ability to send user-programmed failsafe settings to the rx. Mine exhibits this problem with two different PCM rx's. Jack Albrecht is 'on the case' and told me that Minh will look into it if I send my tx to Anaheim.

Has anyone else using Stick Modes 1, 3 or 4 had trouble setting failsafes?

EDIT -- After pulling up the Service Menu again to see if there's anything I missed when I last did a Stick Mode change and calibrations, voila -- the programmable failsafes now work even though I changed no settings.

I imagine that the method or sequence with which one exits the Service Menu may have something to do with this behavior -- possibly that one must power down out of the Service Menu from its root directory rather than from within one of the Service Menu's edit screens.

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03-15-2007 Over year old.
 
 
camt10
Key Veteran
Location: ny

well just started going through my stylus and its alot diffrerent then my rd 8000 which when i totally figure the stylus out its going to be a backup but the stylus has alot more custom features i just wish they had a bigger screen

and special thanks to bparro for some help

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03-18-2007 Over year old.
 
 
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