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Avant Aurora - EFX - FX > Synergy --- Aurora .... which has the lowest parts count ?

TYREE
Veteran
Location: Sonoma county

Anyone have an accurate figure ?

Ty

09-01-2006 Over year old.

TYREE
Veteran
Location: Sonoma county

Very interesting that.....

no one seems to know even! half of this equation....
Too bad

....it's such an important piece of info in terms of a buying
decision...

Ty

09-07-2006 Over year old.

JKos
Elite Veteran
Location: City of California in the state of Maryland

Ty,
I doubt anyone has sat down and counted all the parts with the purpose of comparing the two helicopters. My guess is they are quite close. Does all carbon fiber and metal not sway you enough compared to plastic and G10?

- John

MSH Protos

09-07-2006 Over year old.

TYREE
Veteran
Location: Sonoma county

John.....

Carbon and metal are nice materials!....but design and manufacturing is more important to my way of thinking...and that's why I asked...

Thanks John !

Ty

09-07-2006 Over year old.

JeffM1999
Senior Heliman
Location: Thornton, CO

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but design and manufacturing is more important to my way of thinking

How does having more parts equal poorer design??? That's what it sounds like you are saying. Does it really matter? If one is a better flying machine that is easier to repair, but it has 5 more bolts, would that make you not buy it? Doesn't make any sense. There are so many factors that are important to the quality of a kit, but I don't think just basing your purchase on number of parts is the right way to go.

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Magnum Fuels

09-07-2006 Over year old.

RappyTappy
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Location: Las Vegas, NV

Are bolts, nuts and washers considered in the overall parts count?

Chris
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hondaboy945
Senior Heliman
Location: Orlando, FL

why is it the decision maker

What does the number of parts have to do with buying one. It will take hours too build either way. I think that it would be the quality of parts as opposed too the number of parts. Carbon fiber and metal are far better than G10 and plastic. just my opinion.

09-07-2006 Over year old.

RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

I don't think its a decision maker if its like +/- 10 parts or something, but too many extra parts and rinky dink designs eat into all the set up time, which is pretty much the most tedious/time consuming task.

Chris
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JeffM1999
Senior Heliman
Location: Thornton, CO

My problem is that a lot of people steer clear of machine like MinAir and Schluter because they hear that they have a high parts count. Too bad, because they are missing out on some great helis. I can see how MinAir might be a little intimidating for a noob, but I think they are gorgeous flying machines, and I would hate for someone that wants a top quality machine to miss out and go for a Raptor because it has fewer parts than a Stratus (just assuming here that the Raptor does actually have fewer parts).

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Magnum Fuels

09-07-2006 Over year old.

JKos
Elite Veteran
Location: City of California in the state of Maryland

If one looks at the Avant FX and EFX and realizes that the Aurora is really an extension of those designs, it should be obvious that this is a LOW parts count heli.

The Avant FX and EFX conversions are a breeze to build as is the Programmable Head. I can't imagine why the Aurora wouldn't be a breeze to build as well.

- John

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09-07-2006 Over year old.

BJames111
Elite Veteran
Location: Billings, Montana

I read the build thread on some other site, on the synergy. I wasn't impressed with the parts. Not that you can't have a precision machine with plastic and g-10, I would rather have metal parts. I already have a plastic heli... Lower Parts count could tipically mean that it might be easier to work on, and easier set up. Not set in stone though.

The synergy is awesome don't get me wrong, but I think the aurora is a nicer machine from the pics I've seen.

Brian James
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09-07-2006 Over year old.

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TYREE
Veteran
Location: Sonoma county

High part counts.....

quite often are indicative of poor engineering ie. overly complicated design. That's not to say high parts count can't fly well...but
more moving parts really does equate to more potential problems and cost
to keep flying. What would you buy if you had the choice of two machines
that did an equally fine job at their designed task...

One with 5 moving parts or one with 25 ?

09-07-2006 Over year old.

Doug L
Veteran
Location: Minnesota

I wouldn't see parts count as important as maintainability (is that word?) The Synergy is an imcredibly simple machine that flies great. I doubt that people are intimadated at the build of a Stratus, as much as the repair of one. Seeing how there's no parts list available for the Aurora it would be impossible to count the parts at this point, but if the parts are really going to be priced where Augusto has been saying, then it should be far less intimidating than most high end helis.

09-08-2006 Over year old.

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JeffM1999
Senior Heliman
Location: Thornton, CO

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High part counts quite often are indicative of poor engineering ie.overly complicated design.

I would point out that this is a little misguided. Take for example a high end Aurora, Synergy or Strauts, or whatever. If you look at the tail you have a torque tube system and a nice metal tail pitch control system. I would estimate about 25 parts total (complete guess for arguments sake, but consider crown gears, bearings on torque tube, dual pin metal slider with bearings and e clips and screws and the works). On the other hand take a "simple" 90 setup with belt drive tail and plastic molded tail control set. Maybe about 10-15 parts. Yes, the metal tail/torque tube setup has almost double the parts count, but the difference in quality is huge.
Ever seen a slight breeze blow on a well-built high end heli? The main and tail blades pinwheel in the wind. Butter smooth, no resistance. Now that same breeze blows a belt drive system and the head barely moves an inch.

This is just a small example that I thought of where high parts count does equal better performance. However, when you crash it also equals more expensive repair costs. But I don't think you are too worried about that since you are comparing two helis that are in the $1000 range just for the kits.

Sorry that was so long, just had a couple thoughts to add. I know I am not going to change your mind on the whole "low parts count means better" argument. Just drinkin some beers and postin'. Cheers

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Magnum Fuels

09-08-2006 Over year old.

Dr.J
Senior Heliman
Location: Ontario, Canada

According to Tyree:

"High part counts.....

quite often are indicative of poor engineering ie. overly complicated design. That's not to say high parts count can't fly well...,"

If this were true, Porsche's, BMW's, Ferrari’s, Lamborghini’s and Audi's would all fall into the poor engineering category.

Toyota, I think, has recently managed to eliminate turbo lag via increased parts count and mechanical complexity, yet the outcome is obviously desirable.

In our hobby, the down side of mechanical complexity and high parts count involves crashing, with the resultant replacement costs and required labour investment. Otherwise, high parts count and complicated design are not, in themselves, indicative of poor engineering.

John

09-08-2006 Over year old.

JeffM1999
Senior Heliman
Location: Thornton, CO

exactly what I was getting at, plus your analogy is good.

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Magnum Fuels

09-08-2006 Over year old.

BJames111
Elite Veteran
Location: Billings, Montana

a true statement. But, in my opinion if you are browsing the aurora forum, you are either A. Worried that the new synergy you just bought has just been outclassed, and peruse this section hoping that there has been catastrophic aurora failure. Or B. you realize a good thing when you see it, and can't wait to get one like the rest of us!

p.s. I know i'm a smart a55!

Brian James
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09-08-2006 Over year old.

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JeffM1999
Senior Heliman
Location: Thornton, CO

nice, you just owned him... but I am drunk so that sh!t is funny to me right now.

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09-08-2006 Over year old.

JitsuGuy
Veteran
Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma

I think low parts count is a huge plus. Both seem to be engineered well and so seem to have a low total parts count. Less time building, maintaining and possibly less problems to worry about mechanically. Don't crucify the guy for asking as there is some merit to his question.

Some heli manufacturers have even used "Lower parts count!" as a marketing tool for their helicopters and have designed their helicopters with as little parts as possible.

09-08-2006 Over year old.

RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

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If this were true, Porsche's, BMW's, Ferrari’s, Lamborghini’s and Audi's would all fall into the poor engineering category.

Yea, but the owners aren't taking them apart all the time and crashing them and rebuilding them. I know guys who work on those types of cars and they charge a lot to repair cause they can be so complicated and a pain. Someone takes the punishment for the high parts and complexity.

Chris
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09-08-2006 Over year old.

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