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e-MS Composit Hornet > Hornet newbie with questions.....
 
 
toxifera
Heliman
Location: Burns, Oregon

Hello everyone,
I am brand spanking new to this hobby. I have been saving up for a long time and I finally purchased a Hornet X3D, a Phoenix 35 ESC, a Hacker B20-22S, Futaba R146iP RX, a Futaba GY401, Thunder Power 1320 LiPos, and a Futaba 9CHPS TX. Plus battery charger, servos ect. I also bought all the blue MS aluminum parts. I have the Hornet put together and have the head assembled, but am concerned about it. I don’t really have a clue how tight it’s supposed to be but it seems that the oblong connecting rods that connect the collective horn to the swash plate are rubbing against the blade grips. I have them oriented correctly, I checked it enough times. Has anyone else had this problem? Also, I don’t have a clue about the electronics. Can anyone recommend some good videos on setting up a Hornet? Maybe some books?

Thanks for the help.

08-08-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Micro-Maniac
Elite Veteran
Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

It's ok if the connecting rods rub on the blade grips as long as they don't bind and hinder the free movement of the grips.

Eric Larson has a setup walk through including Futaba 9c setup
http://www.ericlarsonrc.com/Heli/Eq...D/HornetX3D.htm
And Darkhorse has some setup tips as well
http://www.ericlarsonrc.com/Heli/Eq...D/HornetX3D.htm

Welcome to the hobby and good luck - I hope the Hornet won't be too tedious for you as a beginner - But I practically learned to really fly on a Hornet myself - If you were up here a little closer I'd offer to help get you setup in person.
08-08-2006 Over year old.
 
 
ume
Heliman
Location: luzern / Switzerland

See that page to: www.ms-hornettuning.com

urs
08-08-2006 Over year old.
 
 
DarkHorse1
Senior Heliman
Location: Gloucester UK

I think you mean www.ms-helituning.com

All the ball links seem quite tight when new, ideally you want a good fit without slop and as drag free as possible. The flybar should be easy to move and get very easy to move after quite a few flights. If you over tighten and pinch up the beller hiller M2 mixer arm bolts the flybar will be ridged, just back up a 1/4 turn.
The blade grip bolts in the head tend to loosen if you don't use some kind of thread lock. It is important to spot the odd bad tracking characteristics that occur just before one blade lets go with a 150+ mph tip speed . Be careful.
I also accidentally got thread lock in my blade grip bearings and they will never free spin smooth again.

> rubbing against the blade grips
Same here, the metal grip pitch arms are a couple of mm too big. The stock plastic parts fitted perectly. It might slow the roll rate a little in a full flip move but otherwise ok, the swash links seem to just twist around with out issue. Your picture looks fine once you get the servos in place.

Make sure the head damping is working evenly and pretty stiff so as to avoid boom strikes and flapping later.

Hacker B20-22S 4091 rpm/v would work with a 12T or 13T pinion (targets 3000 rpm at 11.1v), MS uses 64 pitch/mod0.4 gears.

> some good videos on setting up a Hornet?
There arn't any sorry. More info and links on my tips page.


Hornet X 3D Twister(Axi 2208/20, Tsunami)27T/180T ~2900 rpm, MS-116 ESC,
MS-044 gyro, HS-50 tail, 3x Futaba 3108s, KOK Extréme white blades,
3xTP1320 prolites ~15mins (cruising), AUW=363g. Futaba7C (see video)
08-08-2006 Over year old.
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ume
Heliman
Location: luzern / Switzerland

sorry
jep these is the right adress.

urs
08-08-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Xtreme34
Senior Heliman
Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana

3000 rpms ? wow thats high .
08-08-2006 Over year old.
 
 
DarkHorse1
Senior Heliman
Location: Gloucester UK

Yes it is a bit fast initially, you can use soft throttle curve initially for say 2500 rpm, which is considered a safer, softer cyclic, longer economic runtime head speed. If you are ever to want faster crisp 3D handling then 3000 rpm is more desirable.
08-08-2006 Over year old.
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toxifera
Heliman
Location: Burns, Oregon

Wow guys, thank you for the welcome and all the info. They set me up with a 10 tooth pinion, should I get a 12? Also, is a 1320 LiPo going to give me enough run time? Also, could you explain about the head dampening a little more. Thank you.
08-08-2006 Over year old.
 
 
DarkHorse1
Senior Heliman
Location: Gloucester UK

> They set me up with a 10 tooth pinion, should I get a 12?
Try the 10T to begin with. It should yeild 2300 to 2500 rpm... (4091*11.1v)/(180T/10T) = let us know what you find.

> Also, is a 1320 LiPo going to give me enough run time?
The lower head speed will be more efficient and estimate that you can hover for about 15 mins or sport acro fly for 10-12 mins. The 85g Tpower packs are great for X3D centre of gravity.


> Also, could you explain about the head dampening a little more. Thank you.
I am using a modified cloned ali head with slight differences to yours. Basically you want to seat and adjust the head damping (rubber rings under compression) so that the blades/head can move a little up/down without being so loose that a blade can strike the boom. I set mine up quite tight with about a max 10 mm blade deflection. Rock solid is too stiff and you may find odd gyroscopic and blade flapping side effects, though I haven't tested for this. Slightly softer is fine for a softer cyclic response as the rotor disk softens it's translation changes to the main shaft and heli body
08-08-2006 Over year old.
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toxifera
Heliman
Location: Burns, Oregon

Thanks again for all the great info, I'll keep you all informed. Have a good one.
08-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
mustangkevin
Heliman
Location: cedar falls ia U.S.A.

I also am a newbi who just bought my first real heli a Hornet 2. I have to say that RunRyder is a great place everyone if friendly and very helpful. Are there any websites for setting up a hornet 2 like the ones for the X3D? The X3D sites are great and seem like they supply alot of info.
08-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Xtreme34
Senior Heliman
Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana

Hornet 2 should be in this forum and this subject your posting in now. Is that what your asking?
08-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Micro-Maniac
Elite Veteran
Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

Here is Eric Larson's old Hornet 2 page
http://www.ericlarsonrc.com/Heli/Eq...ornetII2005.htm
But Eric's X3D page will be much more useful
http://www.ericlarsonrc.com/Heli/Eq...D/HornetX3D.htm

All the Hornets - Especially the H2 and X3D - Are similar enough to use the same basic setup guides for.

And questions about any MS electric heli can be asked right here.
08-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
mustangkevin
Heliman
Location: cedar falls ia U.S.A.

Thanks for the info can't wait to get it and start putting it together
08-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
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