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Synergy R/C Synergy N9 > 10 lbs 9 ozs Ready to Fly
 
 
Brian Weekley
Senior Heliman
Location: Victoria, BC Canada

First flight tomorrow (Saturday). The N9 has been a pleasure to build. Full report after I get some time on it.

Brian
08-05-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Chris Lupa
Key Veteran
Location: Sonning, Reading UK

Great stuff I want to hear as many views on the model's flight characteristics as I can! Look forward to your mini-review.

Sponsored by CSM and QuickUK
08-05-2006 Over year old.
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Brian Weekley
Senior Heliman
Location: Victoria, BC Canada

Five flights ... initial thoughts.

In my mind the question is not whether the world needs another .90 sized helicopter but rather what I am going to do with all of my other machines now that I have built and flown the Synergy N9.

By way of background I have been flying RC for 47 years, helis for the last 5. For most of my RC career I flew pattern. I retired 9 years ago and took up helis 5 years ago. Business was kind to me and RC is my passion. I am not budget limited and at last count I had well over 30 helis in my fleet. I have built every X-Cell made have multiples of most of them. I have also build a few Hirobos and one Vario (yuck!).

Nobody will stop what they are doing and watch when I fly but I hold my own, progress slowly and have a big sh*t eating grin on my face when I carry my heli back to the pits. I have attended two of Todd and Jason's schools, am a compulsive instruction follower and keep my mouth shut about helis unless I have personally owned and flown them. I am not sponsored by anybody, am nobodies team pilot and the older I get the less I feel the need to suck up to people. I happily pay for everything that I fly.

I must admit that I leaned on Todd and Jason to get a Synergy. I spent the last week building it and put in five flights on it today.

Here are my thoughts.

The kit is well presented and extremely well packaged.

The instructions are excellent. Read EVERY word on EVERY page and you will have a flyable heli when you reach page 29. By comparison my Stratus manual is 79 pages long. One page that I very much appreciated was page 30 which deals with engine removal and clutch fine tuning. It's not that I can't remove an engine after assembly but its nice to have the procedure laid out in detail.

On page A2 my only comment was that I believed the 100-210 M2 x 10 bolts that are use to assemble the fan shroud would be better if they were 12 or 14 mm bolts.

On page A3 I believe that the 110-146 steel crown gear hub is superior to the MA aluminum equivalent and much cheaper to replace if necessary.

On page A8 I noted that that the composite engine mount went together extremely well and appear to me to be superior to the metal engine mounts that I am used to.

On page A10 I noted that I had to reduce elevator servo low pitch ATV's to keep the swash plate level in the full negative pitch position. I also used my Dremel tool with a tapered stone to recess one side of the 110-217 cyclic pivot support to allow easier assembly of the 108-470 flanged bearings.

On page A14 I used the Futaba supplied servo sheet metal screws rather than the M2 x 10 socket head screws to mount the Throttle and Rudder servos.

On page A19 I noted that I would have preferred to use 4 mm x 14 button head bolts to mount the 120 - 116 bell mixers rather than the 12 mm bolts supplied.

On page A23 I noted that one of the 108-511 thrust bearings was missing a ball. I put it together anyway. I also CA'd the 106-813 tail slider lock ring per MA practice for no better reason than I have done it this was when building over 20 helicopters over the past few years. I also noted that the 106-921 tail pin was a tight fit to the 115-321 tail pitch plate. I assembled it successfully but patience is in order for this step.

Perhaps the biggest issue occurred on page A25 in which I substituted a 22 mm shanked bolt for the 100-320 M3 x 20 socket head bolt in the tail rotor bell crank. The 20 mm bolt did not adequately engage the lock nut which could result in the loss of tail rotor control if it came undone.

On page A26 the kit was missing one 106-95 tail pushrod sleeve. I replaced it with one of my MA spares. I also felt that the clearance between the 115-111 tail control tube and the 115-115 tail control bushing was a little more that I would like to see. I'll service it by adding CA if it gets to be an issue.

On page A26 I felt that 15 mm of the 107-035 control rod should extend out of the control rod rather than the 8 mm specified.

The "C" clips were a non-issue to me but then again I've built more than 20 X-Cells. The clutch runout took a little work but a couple of hours got it to within .005 total runout measured at the top of the fan hub. The only fuel foaming can be attributed to a very rich and poorly running new YS 91.

Dudes ... that it!!! Thats all I could come up with from a self proclaimed anal retentive who has built a lot of helis. Most items I have listed fall into the "personal preference" category. Only two items .. a short bolt and a missing ball in my thrust bearing fall into the consequential category. This is from a first production run NEW design kit.

Of course having attended Todd and Jason's schools I am not surprised that the first run kit has less issues associated with it by a considerable margin than any of the other mature production run/design kits that I have built.

Enough of the negative ... lets talk about the good stuff. I am very impressed with the overall design. It is much more substantial and beefy than any of the other kits I have built apart from the Vario which is built like a tractor. The sense I have is that the N9 is designed to be the beginning of an upward evolution in helis whereas my Furies have already overstretched their design parameters and need to be replaced (which I am sure is what the talented folks at MA are already doing).

I love the fuel tank, the landing gear assembly, the engine/clutch assembly, the main gear and crown gear assemblies, the main shaft and assembly, the entire beefy mainframe concept, the servo tray assembly, the radio tray design, the easy to build swashplate assembly, the rotor head and blade grip assembly, the 5mm flybar arm, the tail gearbox assembly, and the torque tube assembly.

In my opinion there is a lot of Jason in the design of the Synergy. Everything is functional. The design is very robust and without compromise yet the parts count has been kept to a minimum. Jason is the Steve Nash of helicopter design. Not to underestimate Todd's input. Were it not for Todd I think that Jason would still be tinkering with the design. Now the biggest thing to me is that the N9 is a very beefy heli. It has big balls ... litterally and figuratively. It weighs 10 lbs 9 ozs ready to fly sans fuel. My X-Spec weighs more than that ... my Tempests weigh more than that and my Extreme's are on a par yet they are much less robust. Are there compromises with the N9. There has to be and I am looking forward to the learning and upgrade process. I think that the Fury and Freya's will need a complete re-design to fly in the same league as the Synergy. Thats just my opinion and I can't speak about any other helis because I haven't built and flown any of them.

I got five flights in today. Most were spent coaxing a new YS 91 to run smoothly and resolving GV1 issues related to my calcifying brain.
The most important issue that I learned today is that the N9 flies STRAIGHT. No pitching up on power descents or strange twisting motions when I poured on the collective. Oh yeah ... when I wanted some clarification of the function of the sprague bearing I called Todd. I got straight through to him and he answered my question in about six seconds. I couldn't even get through voice mail at other manufacturers in that length of time.

For what its worth here is my Synergy setup as flown today.

Synergy N9
Wide SAB 710 3D blades 185 gms.
YS 91, no header tank.
3 Futaba 9351 on cyclics.
GY 611/9256 on rudder.
Futaba 9202 on throttle.
GV1.
Futaba R149DP receiver.
Duralite 2S2P 3000mAh Li-poly pack w/ HD 6V regulator, smart switch and step down regulator to the rudder servo.

More tomorrow.

Brian
08-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Chris Lupa
Key Veteran
Location: Sonning, Reading UK

wow and there was me expecting a MINI review Great stuff, thanks for the info.

It will be good to hear more on how it flies soon.

Sponsored by CSM and QuickUK
08-06-2006 Over year old.
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Chuckie
Key Veteran
Location: Crofton Maryland, MHA member

Brian Weekley,

Very nice review.

"Perhaps the biggest issue occurred on page A25 in which I substituted a 22 mm shanked bolt for the 100-320 M3 x 20 socket head bolt in the tail rotor bell crank. The 20 mm bolt did not adequately engage the lock nut which could result in the loss of tail rotor control if it came undone."

My kit came with a longer 109-355 Spacer. It was 7mm not 5mm. The bearings would stick out too much on the tail bell crank. Check yours and if too long use the Swashplate spacer 109-357, which is 5mm long.

Charles

Please stand by for faster service!
08-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Brian Weekley
Senior Heliman
Location: Victoria, BC Canada

Thanks for the tip.

C.

I checked the spacer and it is indeed 7mm, not 5mm as spec'd. Thanks for the tip.
08-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Brian Weekley
Senior Heliman
Location: Victoria, BC Canada

Send the wives and children to the cellar.

Synergy is on the loose!

I finally got a chance to get in some serious flying and am very happy with my N9. The collective system is very powerful and responsive to the stick as one would expect with almost 600 oz. inches of torque available to drive the system. I couldn't be happier with the cyclic authority. It is very quick, positive and snappy. Rolls are on a string. It flips beautifully and has that nice "wind up" as the full deflection flips take hold. There is little or no "torqueing" on climb out, either positive or negative. Ditto with pitching up and twisting on a rapid descent into wind. Backwards flight is wonderfully stable and is beckoning me onto pushing myself further. The Synergy autos beautifully with tons of hang time on the SAB blades. I'll move onto aerobatic autos the next time out. The hover locks in like my Pro 2K's and I know I'll spend some time doing the piro thing waltzing around in frot of me.

I had a few mechanical issues today. I am suffering from high rpm clutch engagement like others that have posted. It's no big deal as once the clutch engages it flies normally. Its just different and will take some looking into. I had to cut my flying short because I "launched" one of my fly bar paddles into low orbit. The heli didn't do anything drastic which I attribute to the overall beefiness of the shaft/head assembly. There was just a "whistling" sound when the paddle departed to end the day. Any suggestions on a replacement would be greatly appreciated. I was a little surprised that the paddle didn't thread onto the flybar as the flybar is threaded. A single set screw retains the paddle on the flybar and in the future I'll make sure that the set screws are nice and tight as part of my pre-flight.

I continue to have GV1 issues and in fact flew today on curves. How's that for a retro approach. The GV1 is set properly and has been checked a dozen times but it doesn't hold a setting properly. Sometimes it is engaged and sometimes it is not. I have been leaning the YS 91 considerably and speculate that this may have something to do with the GV1 problem. Again any ideas would be appreciated.

Until I can round up a set of 5mm paddles I'm grounded. Maybe that Vario Benzin Trainer that I built and relegated to my storage locker has a 5mm flybar.

More later.

Brian
08-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
J2M
Senior Heliman
Location: UK

Brian,

That's weird about your paddles. On my N9, the paddles did thread onto the flybar and the set screw is just there to hold the paddle alignment. Perhaps you got a set of paddles without a thread in them?
08-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Will B
Veteran
Location: Bicester, Near Oxford, UK.

Initially I though the paddles werent threaded but once pushed in all the way start turning and it will start threading onto the bar. They go in a loooong way. Then once it bottoms out tighten the set screw to fully secure.

Cheers, Will.
08-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Helinutnz
Elite Veteran
Location: below 42 South

Brian. Thankyou for your look at the Synergy. It's nice to read a post where there isn't someone ragging on a new heli and calling it a pile of junk because the box it came in smells funny or a person saying something is the greatest simply because they don't know any better. An informative view of a newly released heli that was of great value to read. I wish some of the tossers that occasionally inhabit these forums could learn from your example. Thanks for that. I am getting one and it was very helpful information.
In fact this whole thread makes easy reading as it does not have any negative tones.
08-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
hansking12
Senior Heliman
Location: irvine, ca

as an interim replacement paddle

i believe bob j used red tt raptor paddles which he drilled out to accept the bigger flybar.

hans
08-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
rckrzy1
Elite Veteran
Location: Hurst Texas

After hours you could only reduce the runnout on the fan hub to 5 thousanths ? I am allways trying to achieve less than 1 thou on my birds. And you are not the first to mention this issue.



Wildcat Fuels
08-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Brian Weekley
Senior Heliman
Location: Victoria, BC Canada

Duh!

Anytime something goes wrong I generally find that I am the most likely source of the problem. Of course the paddles thread on and I can't believe that I was so stupid as to miss it. Aaargh! I guess the good news is that I got 8 flights in and the heli is none the worse for wear.


rckrzy1 ... my post should have said .0005 of runout on the fan hub. Looks like I need a new set of bifocals.

hansking12 ... I'm off to find a set of red Raptor paddles to see if I can get in some more flights today. Thanks for the tip .. I remember seeing a reference to that in a post now that you remind me.

Brian
08-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
rckrzy1
Elite Veteran
Location: Hurst Texas

That's more like it Brian, because I remember a bird I had that had .003 and it shook the fuel into a frenzy.



Wildcat Fuels
08-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Helinutnz
Elite Veteran
Location: below 42 South

rckrzy1. yes I thought about that one too. It appeared to me Brian meant half a thou and I have been guilty of sticking that decimal point in the wrong place as well. I have spent a lot more time than that dialing in a hirobo freya hub. Needed to remove material and muck about for ages to get less than 3 thou. settled on .00015. No colletts on that model and the hub goes on one way with a woodruff key so adjustability was difficult. I have spent almost a day on some models to try and get them perfect. Now as I have found out...like you that anything around 1 thou or less is pretty much perfect and doesn't create a problem. I haven't done colletts before so looking forward to trying them out. got any tips?
08-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Brian Weekley
Senior Heliman
Location: Victoria, BC Canada

My buddies get their shot.

I couldn't resist yesterday ... the weather was perfect and all my pals were at the field waiting for their chance at my Synergy. I drilled out a set of plastic paddles, installed them and headed to the field. Step one was to do some serious needle twiddling on the new YS 91. That done all of my GV1 issues disappeared. The theory in the pits is that the cooling system on the Synergy N9 is more efficient than the helis we are used to and the YS needs to run leaner than I am used to running. With almost two gallons through its carb its time for the YS to start earning its keep.

In the air the Synergy absolutely rips!!! I couldn't resist the temptation to flick into idle up 2, put the nose down and go. At high speed it tracks straight and true. The wide blade SAB's are definately going to become my favorite blades. They auto beautifully. I just wish they had been available when I was learning to auto as they would have made the whole learning process much easier.

As for flying the Synergy beats the performance of my X-Cells and Freya's in every category that I am capable of evaluating. In my limited amount of flying with my Synergy I have the confidence to do more. It beckons me on. Backwards flight is one of the tough nuts that I am currently trying to crack. With my Synergy it is sooooo nice to be able to come to a stop, put in aft cyclic and just have the heli go straight backwards. No twisting, pitching or turning ... just backwards. That alone will draw me into more backwards flight. The cyclic authority and roll/flip rate is impressive and yet stable at the same time. When I fly the Synergy I have these deja vu feelings that I'm flying a pattern plane in terms of straight, predictable flight.

Is the N9 perfect at this point. The answer to that has to be no. It's probably going to take months of people thrashing on it to flush out all of the issues. I took out the crown gear on my last flight. Was it a design fault or was it an installation issue? I don't really know and don't care. Jason and Todd will sort it out, issue the addendums and upgrades and we will all move forward. The fact is that in my opinion the Synergy is the best helicopter that I have built and flown. There will be more Synergies in my hanger.

I'll finish up my flight report by saying that the day ended with one of my buddies (who is a much more accomplished 3D flier than I) taking pictures of his two Extreme's to post them for sale so that he can buy two Synergies.

Brian
08-08-2006 Over year old.
 
 
helinut
Senior Heliman
Location: Snohomish, WA

Brian, great reviews, put my first flight on my Synergy last night. I t sounds like we are in the same ballpark as far as flying skills go. Although I must admit I have not flown much in the last year due to other interests. I was shaking like a leaf after the first climb out and flip. I finished the tank shooting autos. I had **** blades on mine, still autoed great. I only brought one set of blades that had 5 MM holes.

When I left on my 3-month trip from Arkansas to Snohomish, WA. I wasn’t planning on getting a Synergy until I returned to our home Base in NW Arkansas. When Mike Scoles called me 2 weeks ago and said the Synergy would release on July 28th I sent an email off to Ron an asked if I was still on the list. I got a reply the next morning asking where I wanted it shipped. What a great opportunity to build it with Todd and Jason camped next to me. In fact I was sitting next to Todd when I assume the Brian who called was you. I swore I would never build another heli at a fun fly. (Had built my late Ion at a Fun fly 3 years ago).

I think a fitting end for my fury will be a nose dive into the lake in full night gear.
08-08-2006 Over year old.
 
 
fitenfyr
rrProfessor
Location: Port Orchard, Washington

Quote 
I think a fitting end for my fury will be a nose dive into the lake in full night gear.

And then you might do something mean to it.

Sorry I missed you this weekend Wayne.
I felt like crap to come visit before I left.
It was good to see you back up here.

Jason Stiffey
Fly Fast....Live Slow...
08-08-2006 Over year old.
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Brian Weekley
Senior Heliman
Location: Victoria, BC Canada

Helinut...

That was me calling Todd to get my slipping sprague issue sorted out which he did without missing a beat. Todd and Jason are both great guys and are a reason why I stepped up to the Synergy like I have. Actually I know about you too. One of my buddies who haunted the Synergy camp at Snohomish asked me whether I used a hammer a lot building the Synergy. When I asked why he asked, he said one of the fliers at Snohomish was building his Synergy there and was beating on it with a hammer every time he turned around.

I said that the funny thing was that I did have my small ball peen hammer on my building bench quite a bit. I use it on the circlips and for a very carefull job installing the 106-921 Tail Pins into the 115-322 Tail Pitch Links. So there we are ... "brothers in hammers".

I'm a little too anal to build a heli in the pits but I'm sure with Todd and Jason there you couldn't go far wrong. Mike is coming up to the 3D contest in Vancouver this weekend. I'll be there with my Synergy. It would be great if you brought yours and we could cross paths. As for the Fury underwater in night gear you will have to take seconds. Shawn Lammers who is the Synergy dealer in this neck of the woods put his into a creek at a fun fly in Mission three years ago. You could see it glowing underwater. Some kid volunteered to dive in and retrieve it.


Hope to see you on Saturday in Vancouver.


Brian
08-08-2006 Over year old.
 
 
helinut
Senior Heliman
Location: Snohomish, WA

Brian, The only thing I used a hammer on was the 8 circlips. It doesn’t work well on a plastic picnic table. I 'm sure the sight of me hitting the pin with a hammer on the plastic picnic table raised a few eyebrows. I finally used the tail gait on my truck to set the wood block on.

There is no doubt I would rather build in a workshop environment, but having Todd and Jason here was worth the inconvenience. Jason wanted to jump in and build it, I had to keep telling him no. The afternoon beer drinking interfered somewhat with the quality of the build process. This led to 1 major build error that caused a premature failure of the crown gear. Luckily Jason had a spare.

I have other family commitments this weekend so I am not be able to make it up. I’m sure Doc will represent us well.
08-08-2006 Over year old.
 
 
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