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e-Align T-REX 450-500-600 > New Firmware1.51 Beta for CC35 ?
 
 
aamiggo
Senior Heliman
Location: australia

Hey Guys,

Just downloaded new version firmware from castle creations and need help setting up with new settings.I dont fly with gov mode so if anyone has set up with Helicopter fixed Endpoint can you let me know what settings you are using thanks.
07-05-2006 Over year old.
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

Download and read the manual that accompanies the 1.51 release. It's there on the CC website. It is a pretty detailed manual, describing each of the functions and how to set them up.

Further, the endpoint settings a highly dependent upon YOUR transmitter and the motor in your heli. Other people's numbers may not necessarily work with your set up.

Read THIS thread:

http://runryder.com/helicopter/t255892p1/


Dave
07-05-2006 Over year old.
 
 
aamiggo
Senior Heliman
Location: australia

Thanks dave i found the manual.
07-05-2006 Over year old.
 
 
ECOHELI
Veteran
Location: new york

can somone put this cc35 setup into english? i thought i new everything i needed to know about setting my heli and esc up but now i see i new nothing.. i just downloaded 1.51 and i just want to go fly my rex but i dont think its going to happen? i want to just plug the damn thing in and give it some throttle and then idle up and fly...why is this so complicated?? i dont have a tach i just use to set my idle up for 100,90,85,90,100 and rip it up!
07-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
ECOHELI
Veteran
Location: new york

forgot to mention i have a futaba 9chp and running tp2100 3cell prolite with 450th 13t....
07-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
TMoore
rrProfessor
Location: Cookeville, TN

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can somone put this cc35 setup into english? i thought i new everything i needed to know about setting my heli and esc up but now i see i new nothing.. i just downloaded 1.51 and i just want to go fly my rex but i dont think its going to happen? i want to just plug the damn thing in and give it some throttle and then idle up and fly...why is this so complicated?? i dont have a tach i just use to set my idle up for 100,90,85,90,100 and rip it up!


This had to be the easiest upgrade that I've ever done to something electronic. You should try programming CNC machines for a living. These things are complicated because they give you choices about how you want to do things.

At any rate, send me your email and I can send you the DAT file that I'm running and you can load it into your CC35 and go fly. BTW, this DAT file is my own, I copyrighted it, so just Paypal me 50 bucks and we'll call it even.

TM
07-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
vladn
Senior Heliman
Location: NJ, USA

One important note on 1.51 governor mode. There is a bug that causes occasional full power surge if you vary throttle level during spoolup. This cost me few gears. Check the following in the release notes:
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You should now have a flat throttle setting, it is not advisable to change throttle speed with the transmitter while in governor mode, with the obvious exception of on and off.

When I mentioned the issue to CC they recommended to use flat throttle curve even in Normal mode and use switch instead to spoolup as a workaround.
07-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
rerazor
Elite Veteran
Location: Mich.

Set it for fixed throttle mode.
Set a flat 100% Throttle curve in idle 1.
Spool up in Norm Mode switch it to idle 1 at zero pitch.
Adjust EPA/Travel until red light comes on esc.
This is your 100% throttle setting.
Then set your Throttle curve like before.
07-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
ECOHELI
Veteran
Location: new york

its not the loading of the sw updates that the problem it uderstanding exactly what each choice will make the heli do.? like i said before i had a normal mode that i could spool up in, then go into an idle up with throttle curves that i set....then when i want to land i can go back into normal mode so the headspeed is lower when getting closer to the ground.
07-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
TMoore
rrProfessor
Location: Cookeville, TN

One thing that I noticed when I did the software upgrade was that I now had to lower my throttle trim all the way to its lowest limit before the ESC would arm. Other than a few adjustments in Flight mode 1 and 2 this was it.

TM
07-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Joe Ford
Heliman
Location: Olathe, KS USA

TMoore...try increasing the endpoint on the throttle channel. You shouldn't have to lower the trim. Also for further explanations on the settings, click on any of the blue circles with the question marks when you're using the link. It will explain the settings in further detail. Let me know if you require any further explanation...I'm more than happy to help...my contact info is below.

ECO...Great talking to you today!

vladn...set up normal mode for 0,0,0,0,0...set idle 1 for whatever throttle percentage in your tx gives you the headspeed you're looking for. Start in normal mode with throttle stick @ 1/2, flip switch into idle 1...the heli should spool up to your desired headspeed all by itself. There are 2 parts to the governor software...spool up and governor. When you slowly increase the throttle the controller thinks the spool up portion of the startup is finished, and immediately jumps to the governor speed you've chosen. Depending on how large of an rpm gap there is between the two you could have bad results. One other thing to note is do not use high throttle response...we'll be toning it down in the next version of software...stick with medium or low with the 1.51b software. If you try to bail out of an auto and have chosen high throttle response the controller will immediately return to your governor rpm and potentially strip out the gear for the same reason I mentioned above.

Joe Ford
joeford@castlecreations.com
913-390-6939 ext. 119

Product Specialist for Castle Creations
07-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
TMoore
rrProfessor
Location: Cookeville, TN

Joe,

I for one couldn't be more pleased that you are here to help us.

I'm getting ready to fly my Lepton EX with a CC80 and the new software.

Thanks for posting.

TM

BTW, I used to have an office in Olathe on Spruce Street behind the Pontiac dealer just off of 35.
07-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
ECOHELI
Veteran
Location: new york

Joe at cc is great! he helped me setup me cc35 and walked me through the whole setup! i cant say enough about him and cc for their customer support! thanks again Joe everything is working great!!
07-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
rerazor
Elite Veteran
Location: Mich.

Joe,

When you say "set idle 1 for whatever throttle percentage in your tx gives you the headspeed you're looking for" what if 100% on the TC still does not give you the 100% reading on the esc? I think this can be a problem and adjusting the epa/travel needs more explanation.
07-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
TMoore
rrProfessor
Location: Cookeville, TN

For those of you that are trying to figure out how to set pitch and throttle curves with an ESC here is something that you may find useful.

It's really straightforward. Make your base line pitch curves go from -10 to +10 with ZERO pitch at half or 50% stick position. You may actually have to make a little top and bottom adjustment but this is a good place to start. If you use a 5 point radio set the pitch points at their nominal values of 0, 25, 50, 75, 100. If you are using a JR 9303 you will have to fudge the two extra points to approximate the 5 point values. At this point you should have -10 to +10 as the bottom and top pitch settings. In the normal mode set the 50 and 75 points to hold a nominal rotor speed. I make this whatever I feel comfortable with. On a Rex I fly in normal mode at around 2300 rpm. In the flight mode (FM) or idle up, set stick positions as follows:

Stick Pos. Value
0 100
25 75
50 70
75 75
100 100

This sets up a shallow V shaped throttle curve and the 25 and 75 stick positions will allow you to set the inverted and upright rpm settings. The 50 stick position can be adjusted to prevent overspeed. Some ESC's will just let you flat line the throttle curves between 25 and 75 so keep that in mind.

Go out and fly the heli. When you flip in to FM1 fly the heli to adust the rpm (75 stick position) to maintain a high enough headspeed to keep the motor in the powerband. On a Rex this is 2700-3000 rpm. To get 3000 rpm on a Rex you might be at 100% flat lined on the throttle settings. Once this is done, flip the heli to inverted and if you have everything working in your favor the rpm and the inverted stick position should be the same or close on the back side versus the front side. IOW, the upright hover and climbout should be mirred on the back side as well so that when you fly inverted it is mirrored from 0 pitch down to -10.

I then do inverted and upright climbouts and adjust the bottom and top pitch so that the rotor speed doesn't decay too much. I usually run just a touch more pitch than the machine can handle but I don't use it all. On the CC you can use the Helicopter fixed endpoint setting for this approach.

If you have seen some of the pros fly electrics or nitros and are wondering how they get some of the moves that they do, there are subtle things that they do in the radio to help them out. One of these tricks is the S curve trick on pitch. If you do inverted and upright hover in FM1 or Idle up at the 25 and 75 stick positions, on let's say a 9C that uses full stick motion on the throttle/collective stick, it's a long way to go from upright to inverted on the stick travelwise. By moving the upright and inverted pitch points a little closer together, it is quicker to make vector changes in motion with less stick movement from upright to inverted. On the Stylus I just move the 25% and 75% point to 30 and 70 respectively and this shortens the distance that the throttle collective stick has to travel from upright to inverted. This doesn't help with stick resolution just with the apparent speed that you can shift from upright to inverted. The maneuvers that this will help you with are snakes, piroflips and any other maneuvers where you are having to rapidly move the T/C stick to change from upright to inverted.

TM
07-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
rerazor
Elite Veteran
Location: Mich.

I would think if you are using a Fixed throttle V curve it would be more like 100,95,90,95,100. I don't think you want to dip below 90 or else you start to lose efficency in the esc/motor.
07-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
TMoore
rrProfessor
Location: Cookeville, TN

Sometimes reality gets in the way. These numbers are what I ended up with.

TM
07-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
lowflyer101
Key Veteran
Location: garden grove, CA

Try governor on that firmware, it is as good as jazz, on my futaba 9c lower throttle endpoint had to set to 110, everything else work so great

<-freedoom flyer->
07-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Professor Fate
Key Veteran
Location: Goose Creek S.C.

I use the 1.14v in both CC35(Trex) and CC60(Logo10) without any probs,,in non Gov mode that is. Fly with what works.

Welcome my son, Welcome to the machine
07-09-2006 Over year old.
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Rob_T
Elite Veteran
Location: Tualatin, OR - USA

Anyone noticed there is now a 1.52 ?


Rob
Eco8, Piccolo Fun, Shogun, HB Elite CP, Trex 450XL CDE, Swift
07-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
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