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Synergy R/C Synergy N9 > matt botos leaves ma

CJames
Key Veteran
Location: Back in KC

Sorry Jimmi,
I meant knockoffs as copies of MA parts, not that MA was making the cheap parts

07-05-2006 Over year old.

blade3d
Elite Veteran
Location: New Jersey

I do not understand the fascination of keeping track of who flies for which company or how well a well known person flies his/her heli. It seems as though there is a core group of Runryder members that are concerned or fascinated about certain other flyers.
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They are called ( GROUPIES ) ha ha

Blade3d

07-06-2006 Over year old.

Brett
Veteran
Location: Chicago Burbs

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Status: Key Veteran Registered: Apr 2002 Location: New Jersey I do not understand the fascination of keeping track of who flies for which company or how well a well known person flies his/her heli. It seems as though there is a core group of Runryder members that are concerned or fascinated about certain other flyers.

I dont either. What I do think is important to us is having good models to fly. To me good means proven and dependable.

Helicopters and champion pilots are two separate entities. One does not make the other. The real skill is in setup and understanding the heli and knowing how to handle it in all attitudes and conditions. Sure the helicopters ability plays a role but through engeneering all manufacturers can build these things if they have the R&D and the experiance. Thats where pilot input is important but the heli can do the manuvers itself.

I think that starting appeal to the market for the synergy is based on the long anticipated hype associated with the fact that Jason and Todd who are excellent pilots designed it.

Most new heli kits have an intrigue to them.Keep in mind however that this is still a "first attempt" at building a heli from the ground up and we don’t know any of the unknown. We have to stay tuned and see.

The key metric is the overall experience and track record of past designs and launches, that’s who gets my vote and dollars. So, who has the most successful number of launches among the heli manufacturers Today?

07-06-2006 Over year old.

hansking12
Senior Heliman
Location: irvine, ca

key design changes are an improvement

i've heard all of the assumptions which have been spouted, however, i have flown the machine in question several times. as much as you would like to believe what you say, you really can't judge until you fly it for yourself. the synergy makes me look like a much better pilot than i truly am. it inspires confidence. it works for me, that much i can say definitively. whether it might work for you as an individual, i cannot say. however, i'm looking forward to mine. isn't it possible that this can be true? try and get a pull on the sticks on a synergy and see if what i say doesn't make immediate sense. try it, you'll see.

hans

07-06-2006 Over year old.

CJames
Key Veteran
Location: Back in KC

Can I fly yours when you get it?

07-06-2006 Over year old.

heliman
Senior Heliman
Location: Fullerton, CA

Brett

What happens is that designers take the best of the established manufacturers and improve on their designs. Synergy and Carbon Extreme have the benefit of seeing and flying MA, Robbe, JR, Hirobo, etc. I would argue that the Synergy N9 or Aurora are better, less complicated design than the Stratus. IMO, the Stratus and the new MX500 have too many parts and are overly complicated.

That said, I prefer the design of the Aurora over the Synergy, but I'll wait until I see the parts prices to make a decision. Although I like MA products and have owned a few myself, I would not buy the Status over either of these machines.

We'll see if MA comes out with a new design.

07-06-2006 Over year old.

Topbannana
Heliman
Location: England

compications are good. that is what models are about.

why pay bucks for 1 part when you can pay bucks for 100 parts.

you guys wanna enjoy the build as well as the flying.

if its too complicated for ya pay some guy to build it.

i'm sick of paying big bucks for 1 piece. i like pieces.

you guys are making modelling worst than ever.

why dont you guys buy 1 pre made.

07-06-2006 Over year old.

Brett
Veteran
Location: Chicago Burbs

Heliman

Thats fair, Trust me I'm all for a smaller parts count but consider a swiss watch. The makers don't try to lower part count, they try to keep accurate time. I don't know why they choose to use more or less but I do know that to much stress on any one direct assembly can negative effects.

07-06-2006 Over year old.

Madman
Veteran
Location: Roswell, GA

Yeah, congrats to Matt for sure on his placement at XFC and for changing. I love MAH and they are still my machine of choice until convinced otherwise, but I am also happy to see people changing as, regardless of what is or isn't a good machine, the guys with these skills like Matt, Eric, HC, Marcus NEED to be getting more taken care of by the manufacturers. If I owned 30% of the 90-sized kit and parts market (which is probably pretty decent cash), these kids would be staying at Hyatt's when on the road, have a small annual comp base AND get their hookers reimbursed. Screw just free equipment

I disagree therefore with a3dpilotusa in that I DO think these guys with the unbelievable skill sets like Eric, Matt and Marcus DESERVE to be better taken care of than they have been. More friggin' power to them! Nothing wrong with getting paid man. The manufacturer free ride NEEDS to be over thinking that impressing a talented kid with pseudo fame and some parts is enough to justify hundreds of thousands of dollars in sales increases associated with their marketing efforts.

Just my opinion - but what else matters

07-07-2006 Over year old.

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heliman
Senior Heliman
Location: Fullerton, CA

I understand the watch analogy, but more parts don't make a better machine.

Moreover, I don't think there's a quality difference between MA and Carbon Extreme. Take a close look at the Avant and the Aurora, when it comes out. Also, talk to those who have flown both a Stratus and Avant. The Avant is more than a match for the Stratus.

I'm not pushing the Avant or Aurora; however, I thought that MA took a step backwards with the Stratus. The Fury has less parts than the 99SE but the Status looks to have a similiar number to the 99SE. The new MA 50 has a ridiculous number of parts and does not look like it will fair well when crashed.

Simplicity adds to reliability, to me. More parts mean more parts to break which means more parts to buy.

Lastly, I wonder why MA didn't go with the high-CG design with the Stratus.

07-07-2006 Over year old.

Brett
Veteran
Location: Chicago Burbs

Fair opinion but keep in mind that a caddy or a benz rides way better and cost to own and to fix or in a crash than a than a Chevy Impala. You still get a better ride and style and thats what the buyer wanted.

Those who drive a benz or caddy did not buy it thinking about the repair cost or the crash cost they think about the ride or the status or both.

I think we can agree that no one has proven it can be all things to all people. When you can get low price, high quality and smooth operation, dependability, and low crash cost all in one package you have a winner. Every thing has its pro's and con's just a matter of how many of each you accept in your colum.

07-07-2006 Over year old.

Ron Henry
Senior Heliman
Location: Atlanta area, GA - USA

I flew the N9 this past weekend. You all are in for a real treat whenever that bird is released to the public. Gives a totally new meaning to smooth. It tracks like a pattern plane through maneuvers.. Very impressive...

- Ron Henry
http://kaizenrc.com/forum

07-07-2006 Over year old.

G-Force Heli
Senior Heliman
Location: Ontario, Canada

So Ron, does this mean your future 90 class could be an N9???

Garf

07-07-2006 Over year old.

a3dpilotusa
Heliman
Location: Lower Georgia

MADMAN

those guys do work hard and they should be compensated. Just like you said though it is easier to believe in someone that flies something because they like it a lot like you like MAH. All of those guys can fly very well with any machine.

My point is that it will be easier to believe people such as yourself that fly a machine than the paid pilots. they can fly anything. By this fall we should know the story on what is better

07-07-2006 Over year old.

Ron Henry
Senior Heliman
Location: Atlanta area, GA - USA

Hey a3dpilotusa, I flew the machine and what I posted is what I honestly feel. Don't get on here and question my integrity by saying that I'm supporting the N9 because of the fact that Matt is flying it. He and I have talks all the time about the strengths and weaknesses of the ALL the machines available today. I made my comments AFTER flying it. The bird honestly does fly better than anything I've flown to date. It's far less work to manage in the air than some of the other machines I've flown. You may or may not agree with me and that's totally your choice; but don't hide behind your handle and come here and take cheap shots at me for giving what is my HONEST opinion.

- Ron Henry
http://kaizenrc.com/forum

07-08-2006 Over year old.

a3dpilotusa
Heliman
Location: Lower Georgia

? News travels fast. I am thinking of gettin one of the synergy in fact. lots of cheerleading out there and I see you posting tons of stuff for matt so it would make sense. You do work directly for matt right? makes it hard to know what to believe. Guess IRCHA will be the place to be. Get to see the avant and synergy up close.

07-08-2006 Over year old.

Brett
Veteran
Location: Chicago Burbs

That would be a big boost from a craptor. Not even the same class of heli's.

07-08-2006 Over year old.

Ron Henry
Senior Heliman
Location: Atlanta area, GA - USA

Yeah it will be. I really want to improve my flying more before getting another 90 though.

- Ron Henry
http://kaizenrc.com/forum

07-08-2006 Over year old.

thebignickey
Senior Heliman
Location: Marietta, GA

Ron is a stand up guy, and is not afraid to compose his own opinions of something. If it sucks he will say so. If it is decent he will say so. Matt flies for Futaba Ron flies for Airtronics perfect example of this, but what is good to one person is not always good for another everybody is different. If everyone flew the same heli how lame would that be, but at the same time I do understand where people are coming from when they say that people only like a product because so and so is behind it, but Ron is not that type of person he flies what he feels is best for his style of flying. Don’t be judging people you don’t know.

07-08-2006 Over year old.

Madman
Veteran
Location: Roswell, GA

Yeah, I should be the judge because I suck! Avant, Synergy, MAH and Align should send me ALL my stuff free for that exact reason! I love that idea. The AVERAGE GUY sponsored pilot - you know - ALMOST does a piro-flip every time he tries, ALMOST does a rolling circle. I'm perfect!

Seriously man, given that I own or have owned every helicopter on the planet except Avant and Synergy - I should be woo-ed with dinners, groupies and money by the manufacturers.

Somebody see if they can't cut me a deal at IRCHA. I think I'm too busy to go - but given my flying skills, that won't be necessary. I'll do the noon time demo in the back yard for the cat and dog with a blade CX

AVERAGE GUY MIKE

07-08-2006 Over year old.

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