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e-HeliDirect Outrage - HDX 300-600 > 3D-X 450 SE or HDX 450 SE
 
 
Isaac FKey Veteran - Location: Panama Republic of Panama -
Guys, I do a search on this 2 helis but nothing come up.

Do any of you have experience with any of these 2?
Which one you recomend me?
Who sells part for this heli o with what other heli is compatible.


Here is a picture of the HDX 450SE



Here is a picture of the 3D-X 450 SE



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06-22-2006 Over year old.
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uragano47812
Senior Heliman
Location: Friuli, Italy

Well i'm interest too but not for 3DX but the comparison between Align Trex SEv2 and the Helidirect HDX450

Anyone can give some news or reports?

For the 3DX i see that some people have got some problems during assembling and for materials quality.
06-24-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Isaac F
Key Veteran
Location: Panama Republic of Panama

well, I also have read that some people has get some problem with the HDX 450SE. But I also has read that Helidirect is fixing does problem on the newer version. Also its look like the motor and OTTER ESC that come in the combo is also a PITA

These are the post/forum that talk about the HDX that I am following:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=511031

http://www.heli freak.com/viewtopic.php?t=12436

What other forum post you are checking. I am keeping an eye in this heli.


Isaac

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06-24-2006 Over year old.
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gorn
Elite Veteran
Location: Western Australia

The 3dx is a clone of the Shogun head with a different chassis.
The HDX is a clone of the Rex and the Microheli chassis.
I have the HDX, still building/seting up.
Like any kit they all have some issues.
Mine were: 1. Could not use the stock main gear, rubbed on tail output shaft, no adjustment in chassis to move even a little bit. Bought Microheli main gear as its actually round not oval like the Rex ones all are.
2. there are 2 guide pins in the washout plate, they go through a pressed in brass collar. My pins would snag on the bottom lip of the brass collar, only slight but enough. Light Dremel fixed that.
3. Do not buy the replacement flybars, I ordered 5 and all 5 were bent beyond use and all in the same spot.
4.Im going through the motions of getting the head setup. Had major wobble in the main gear and head. I know its not the gear cos I measure the o.d. and its spot on.
Have replaced the main shaft with Rex one, but have not run it yet.
I'll let you know how that go's if your interested.
Buy everything for it from www.helidirect.com
For the money the quality is very high, and every model has some build niggles. Just some things annoy more than others I guess.
Very stiff chassis too.

If you bling it, they will come :D
06-25-2006 Over year old.
 
 
uragano47812
Senior Heliman
Location: Friuli, Italy

So in your opinion the HDX is better than stock Trex SE v2 or not?
06-25-2006 Over year old.
 
 
gorn
Elite Veteran
Location: Western Australia

I wouldnt say its better, no.
I would say that your better off buying the kit without the motor and esc combo available as there are much better options out there.
Depends on how much your gonna be prepared to work on it, versus how much your prepared to pay for a heli.
Advantage of HDX is that its cheap and appears to be very strong, plus G10 frames will not make your electrics glitch as badly as carbon frames. Carbon is an excellent conductor of most things, g10 (fibreglass composite) is not.
Advantage of Rex SE is that parts are available everywhere. Lots more people have these, so any problems have eithe rbeen fixed already or there are many posts from people describing easy fixes.
This is also the disadvantage of the HDX. You can only get it from the 1 place, Helidirect. Also this heli is constantly in development to improve it, as I dont believe its quite there yet.
If you have the cash, buy the Rex, if you dont, well you take your chances and you should get a good cheap heli, BUT you make get some defects too. You get what you pay for and nothing is free.
Ive just gone over every head link on mine, and aside from 1 link being .2 of a mm out, everything is perfect (I adjusted all links, didnt come like this). It has a new Trex main shaft and Microheli main gear, yet when I spool it up with no blades you can see the head has a wobble. At half throttle I looked at the washout and levers, they appear to not be wobbling, flybar and paddles is tracking spot on, but the head block and blade grips are wobbling by about 1-1.5mm. Now I have only built 2 heli's before this, so what would I know, maybe the Rex is like this to? Guessing here, but I doubt it.
Im doing the CG and ballance of the main blades now and will have another look at head movement once it has the weight of the blades on there.
Just trying to rule out any human error possibilities on my part before I pass judgement.
I'll keep an update here once Im done.

If you bling it, they will come :D
06-25-2006 Over year old.
 
 
gorn
Elite Veteran
Location: Western Australia

Ok, Ive ballanced the blades for both CG and weight, spot on now.
I checked to make sure that both flybar paddles are exactly the same distande out on the flybar, check.
Spool up, oh my, still wobbles.....but, once I get just about half stick/throttle it smoothed out a lot, and the higher the head speed went the smoother it got.
Blade tracking was excellent.
The only thing I havent been able to do is ballance the flybar paddles for weight, but no way would it make the head wobble at low RPM like that.
Im guessing here, but I would say the the head block would be the culprit.
Im going to ask a few other people that have them on the net and see what their experience was.
Cheers

If you bling it, they will come :D
06-25-2006 Over year old.
 
 
gorn
Elite Veteran
Location: Western Australia

Well i got one reply lol.
Guy own both a HDX and a Rex, says that both of his do wobble at very low rpm.
Just running servo wires now and will mount electronics tomorrow, maybe a flight even if time permits.
Tranmittor sticks crossed

If you bling it, they will come :D
06-25-2006 Over year old.
 
 
rogueleader
Heliman
Location: France

hmmmm. see the photoshoped windshiel on the canopy lol
06-26-2006 Over year old.
 
 
gorn
Elite Veteran
Location: Western Australia

That is because originally the kit came with a smoked windshield. For whatever reason now it doesnt. Comes with a stupid blue screen.
I just masked the molded windscreen lines and sprayed some gloss black on. Looks fine.

If you bling it, they will come :D
06-26-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Isaac F
Key Veteran
Location: Panama Republic of Panama

Hey Gorn, wazup? I have been following the posts on diferent forum about this heli and its look like it still have some bugs

What a shame because is look very nice and the price look atractive.

Have you talk with steve from Helidirect about your issues? Do he going to release a V3 version with things fixed?

As you know I am in the market for a electric heli but I am in hold

Regards,

Isaac

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06-26-2006 Over year old.
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gorn
Elite Veteran
Location: Western Australia

Hi Isaac
Decisions decisions eh? lol
Well I flew mine tonight, and I can honestly say im very happy with it.
Flew very predictably and smooth, naturally has rather quick cyclic, way way faster than my shogun was.
I have some carbon paddles here that weigh a little bit more, so Im going to try those tomorrow afternoon. Always windy here so stable good, twitchy bad lol.
I tach'd it as well, at full pitch (I think Im getting 9deg, have to adjust that) Im getting 2480rpm.
This is with a medusa 3400 on an 11 tooth pinion.
I just flew in normal mode so HS was prob a bit low at hover.
Will setup Idle 1 either tomorrow or wed.
Absolutly stoked that its doing what it should do.
After all this, the only thing I really want to change is the canopy. Its a bit brittle around the mounting holes (have to drill those yourself)
Im going to suggest to Steve that he has the canopy holes pre-drilled and with some rubber grommets so that the plastic doesnt get torn up.
2 things that crapped me though were the main gear, though I see HD have already got a new type on the website. To late for me, I got the Microheli main gear and 3 spares
The other thing that sucked was that I wasnt getting equal throw on each washout arm. These are not adjustable either, same as Align.
I took the plastic ball links off the arms and measured them, and they were exactly the same. Only thing I could come up with was that 1 washout arm didnt have its hole drilled quite deep enough. I fixed this by filing down the threaded end of the ball link, did the trick, but annoying.
The head wobble was VERY offputting and made me quite disheartened, but I have to say, ive seen it first hand now, at low revs ie: not even lifting off, it wobbles and you can see the boom moving, once the rpm come up it stops wobbling altogether. Tracking was perfect.
I dont have any scales yet, so I havent been able to weigh the tail blades or the paddles, so Im probably still getting some minor vibes from those. Only reason I could tell that is I put training gear on it for its maiden tonight (just in case, has saved my skin before), and I could see one of the balls vibrating a lil bit. High frequency, not a shake or anything like that.
Sooooo, I would say as far as value for money go's, excellent....providing you are prepared for some minor though irritating work. I guess this is the price of the low price lol.
They have also released some new blade grips and I think feathering spindles as well.
Im going to ask Steve tonight what the head parts are in aid of.
He has stated on RCG that he will do a barebones package with no motor or esc for a naturally lower rate. If I were you, Id do that for sure. Get yourself a nice motor from whoever you like, even Align make some nice motors, and a quality esc. I highly recommend the Quark 33. Bit fiddly to setup, Im still fiddling with it as I think I have the timing set wrong lol, but a quality esc, and from memory only about $80US.
If you get the HDX make sure you buy their feathering spindles as the Align ones dont fit Im told. Main shafts are the same except the Align are better quality, so get those.
Blades are very nicely finished carbons, but they NEED ballancing lol.
Thats all I can think of for a roundup of my thoughts thus far mate.
Whatever you buy, i hope that you have a lot of fun with it.
I have a Quick of Japan EP8 due this week , but the build will take me a while. Fundage is always a problem there lol.
Any questions feel free to ask, Im more than happy to let you know my thoughts
Cheers

If you bling it, they will come :D
06-26-2006 Over year old.
 
 
gorn
Elite Veteran
Location: Western Australia

Well, Ive flown about 16 packs through it now with only 1 problem which I was a bit disappointed with.
After landing, flicked back to normal mode, spooling down, kill throttle all is well until the blades are quite slow, then STOPPED dead! Blades folded up, but no damage.
Serves me right for not using locktight on the swash, BUT, I did find a shortcut that the factory made.
Anyway, getting ahead of myself.
One of the washout lever arms detached from the swash, ball and all!
At 1st I thought maybe it had torn out and stripped the thread, but it had vibrated out, hence my statement about locktight lol.
Problem is that its not even a fine thread screw like all the rest of them.
This 1 screw is slightly larger than all the other swash screws and has a very course thread like a wood screw.
It would seem that the manufacturer made a woops on 1 hole while making the swash and instead of binning it they just used a bigger screw that is totally unsuitable for a high rpm application.
Ive since locktighted every single screw on the heli (a lot already were from the factory) and flown again since this incident with no problems.
Very agile heli, very responsive, but not twitchy.
Very stable in the hover, even in gusty wind. It did pitch up a bit a few times, but in the heli's defence it was very gusty and constantly changing direction, so I would expect that of any heli really.
The stock canopy is far too flimsy, replace it with an Align one.
On the bottom of the Algn canopy is a cutout line for under canopy access. You will have to either Dremel or cut about 15mm forward of the rearmost cut line so that the canopy can slide far enough back to line up the canopy mounts.
All in all though Im very pleased with the heli.
Thats all from me

If you bling it, they will come :D
07-02-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Isaac F
Key Veteran
Location: Panama Republic of Panama

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I tach'd it as well, at full pitch (I think Im getting 9deg, have to adjust that) Im getting 2480rpm.
This is with a medusa 3400 on an 11 tooth pinion.


Hey Gorn, How you doing? Thx for the report, I was reading that the Medusa is one of the most powerfull engine in this class but is also very hungry and this can afect flying time. What Lipo Vol/MhA you are using and how long you can fly using the Medusa?

Good luck,

Isaac

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07-02-2006 Over year old.
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gorn
Elite Veteran
Location: Western Australia

Hi Isaac
Im using Flightpower 3s 2150maH and so far Ive only done up to 7 minute flights while I figure out how long I can fly safely.
So far after 7 minutes Im putting back around 1350maH and resting voltage is about 11.2v.
I would say after the a few charges i will get about 10mins.
Great motor though, give it full pitch, no bog at all, just straight up lol.
I think you would see about 7mins max flight time if you ran a 13 tooth pinion, but by then you are over 3000rpm and well and truly into heavy 3d land
Flightpower packs are barely getting warm with my setup. ESC is warm, but certainly not hot. I rest the motor after flying 2 packs straight after each other. Motor is not getting super hot or anything (can hold fingers on it for about 5 seconds), but better safe than sorry, and it will probably last longer too
Ive reset all my linkages so Im getting an even pitch range now, but so far I only have +/- 8deg pitch. More than enough for me at this stage, but will adjust to +/- 10deg pitch a little later on when I get more adventurous.
In normal mode hover is at 1950rpm and idle up at 100% is around 2600.
Perfect for sport flying and a bit of fooling around.
Hows the heli hunting going?

If you bling it, they will come :D
07-02-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Isaac F
Key Veteran
Location: Panama Republic of Panama

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Hows the heli hunting going?


Well, I am selling my Raptor 70 and my Hirobo GPH 50 in order to get funds........ And giving some time to wait untill the release of the Thunder Tiger E-Raptor and Trexx 600.

The Hobby shop in my country order a few Trexx 600 so, I will hold my horses to check them out.

I have a close friend that got recently a Logo 14, He put a expensive Kontronic Motor and ESC, flying it with a 37V 4000 MhA battery and since we are a little new to this thing we never program the slow starting and we damage a little the main gears. But inclusive with the main gear missing some teeths we fly it and this thing was rock solid, you have to hear the sound of does 570mm FRP blades at 2000RPM. All the members on the field was like

You have to undertand also that here in my country you only see inexpensive electric helis and the most advaced are Treex 450

Inclusive the Hobby Shop here in my country just beguin to see the potencial of electric helis and beguin to stock parts for the Trexx 450 and the Helimax 400.

So in the mean time I am doing my research to see what I going to order and what my heli friends will order too

Regards,

Isaac

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07-02-2006 Over year old.
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