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e-Align T-REX 450-500-600 > I had it with Align
 
 
karl58
Senior Heliman
Location: Scottsdale, AZ

Do they REALLY make kangaroo s c r o t um purses?

That's sick!



"I can't see or hear idiots"
06-20-2006 04:43 AM
 
 
3D WASP
Veteran
Location: Home of the Reagan Library, CA

you forgot the part where I said that it doesn't cause any undesired operation.....if your going to quote me that's fine but don't take it out of context. Quote the whole thing not part of it. It's not like the gears are egg shaped, they can be slightly off, but their still quite and work just fine. Why don't you mass produce your little beltless tail Willy, then we can all whine and laugh at your quality control. Or how bout everyone that has a problem with one, sell it, dont buy another one!! LOL, that still cracks me up dkshema, good job! I don't think you meant for me to laugh but good job anyways!! No willy this isn't my forum, DEFINATLEY not my forum, and neither is the hobby. However I think that the hobby would be more enjoyable for you if you and others would stop whining, do something about it, pick up the sticks and fly. I have two of them willy and I have crashed and rebuilt them atleast 5 times so its not a fluke thing that the parts work great, hey maybe it just my hobby store, Align ships all the good parts there and I get them all! Oh wait that can't work i've gotten parts from atleast 5 vendors and all of them are good. Maybe you should shop where I shop. My point Willy, Mr. Veteran, is that you should stop whining and posting so damn much, pick up the sticks and learn how to fly, what are you a group therapist?

Timing is everything
06-20-2006 04:44 AM
 
 
drdot
Elite Veteran
Location: So. California, Orange County.

fwiw..

Im still wondering where my Rexes were made...Couldn't have been Align, or they'd be crappy..They're actually as good as my Rappy!
Rexy make me so happy I write things real snappy!

John.
06-20-2006 04:52 AM
 
 
clive45
Veteran
Location: NSW Australia

gone flying...
06-20-2006 05:16 AM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

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If you are not happy then do something, anything, about it.


Demanding better quality parts and kits ISN'T doing something about the problem? It's only whining? Putting up with substandard quality IS doing something useful?

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You do realize that the popularity of the T-rex exploded and they make thousands of all these little parts your whining about right? What kind of tolerances do you expect them to hold?


Mass production is an excuse for poor quality control? I wonder how many vehicles Honda, Lexus, Toyota have turned out in the past two years. And of the millions of parts that have been manufactured to produce them. Would you accept poor quality parts and simply excuse it as being because they are mass produced?

Yes, I own two T-Rexes. Both were bought early in the T-Rex production cycle. One is a 450X, the other a 450X-V2, both have been slowly upgraded to near-XL versions as crashes occur and give me opportunity to buy newer parts. But, I believe, at least for me, there won't be a NEW T-Rex in the house, nor its 600 big brother. Will I continue to rebuild the two I have after crashes? Maybe not.

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Or how bout everyone that has a problem with one, sell it, dont buy another one!


Maybe many have, you don't know about them, though, do you?

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Stop whining to everyone and let those who want to play with TREX's warts and all get on with it.


We're not trying to keep people from "playing" with their T-Rexes, but we are asking that Align produce better quality parts. How is that notion not compatible with enjoying your Rex? Aren't you really interested in getting your money's worth?

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Do people go to the Kyosho forum and whinge and say I have had Hirobo for years and they are perfect.


Some do. But not very many. The reason? Both Kyosho and Hirobo (and other manufacturers) turn out high quality kits and parts. Perhaps you haven't visited the Kyosho forum and read some of the posts about the Caliber 5 that was introduced just after Christmas. There have been a flurry of posts over there asking for improvements in quality of parts of that kit. Perhaps you're not familiar with the opinion quite a few people have of the older Nexus kits. The problem you see over in the other forums is that people have come to expect high quality stuff out of the box, and when they don't get it, they complain. Over here, people accept poor quality, pay for poor quality, and then get defensive of their poor quality when some of us demand better stuff. With Align, you've become conditioned to expect less, so you accept less. And can't understand why others want more.

Imagine how much MORE popular the T-Rex could be if it WERE top quality out of the box. Would that be a bad thing?

Again I ask, if the Align 600 quality is no better than the T-Rex quality, will you buy it?

Dave
06-20-2006 05:19 AM
 
 
MrMel
Elite Veteran
Location: Lidingo, Sweden

Its intresting to see how people protects its stuff with beaks and claws if needed, but I expected no less, Hence my first statement in the original post.


Ive BOUGHT 15+ complete kits, how many have I disassembled/put together, repaired after a crash 30?, 60?


And yes I KNOW how to put a T-Rex together, in the sleep if needed.

And yes, I did disassemble my latest SE after it didnt fly well, check everything and realized I could not "fix" it without orderering new parts, which resulted in this post.


I accept that the old 450X v1,v2 needed some tinkering, CDE/HDE should have been better, which they where but not still good, SE should DEFENTLY be just that: an "SE" version.


Yes they have fixed some stuff, SE v1 blowed the tail, of course they have to fix that, before 10 people standing with lawsuits because they have a tailblade pointing out of the head.
But really, how long did it take to fix the separating swash? 3-5 versions?


Yes, I fully accept that you need tinkering to fix a heli to fly perfect, but you should NOT be needing to replace parts, then the originally design is bad, SPECIALLY on a SE version!



- Fredrik
06-20-2006 08:18 AM
 
 
bugsb
Veteran
Location: rothwell//northants UK

after a year or more away from the trex it has been interesting to read most of the post's that are still being talked about
badly fitting parts
i had the 450v2 and with many others on this forum worked out the problems with the heli and got the thing to fly just about perfect with all align parts
but after x amount of flights and the ground hitting the heli i found the spare's just crap and after many part's and hrs of playing with it i thought well i am spending more time trying to get parts to work ok than flying what the hell am i doing
so i got rid of the heli best thing i ever did
but i thought maybe after a year or more with all the upgraded models the parts are better but it seems that 50% of the posts are still to do with poor parts
maybe if i wait another year the spares maybe better
the one thing i can say was that when the heli is working well it is a great heli
but if you realy look at the amount of time you spend tinkering with it and not flying is it worth it
Ron
06-20-2006 09:45 AM
 
 
Edge
Senior Heliman
Location: Indianapolis, IN

Why would anyone pay any attention to what you "whiners" have to say at this post. Anyone who visits this site very often sees the same negative comments repeated over and over by the same people. And these are the implied experts who have much experience, and indicate they have continued to buy and build numerous birds, while still proclaiming the quality is crap. One post says "I've bought 15+". If you don't like the bird and think the quality is crap, why continue to buy them, and why continue to come to this site and cry about it. Kind if like beating your head on concrete, because it feels so good?

Seems to me these whiners are not the brightest bulbs on the tree!
06-20-2006 01:49 PM
 
 
Tintin
Veteran
Location: Akershus, Norway

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fwiw..

Im still wondering where my Rexes were made...Couldn't have been Align, or they'd be crappy..They're actually as good as my Rappy!
Rexy make me so happy I write things real snappy!

John.


Ditto, 2 Rexes in the house, all Align except for rx/gyro I even still use some Align servos, no failures, no bad parts - they just fly...

Supposedly a leftie :-)
06-20-2006 02:04 PM
 
 
MrMel
Elite Veteran
Location: Lidingo, Sweden

Edge

Because you always thinking.
If I just fix this little problem, then the bird is OK.
If I buy the NEW version they have surly fixed those problems.
If I just...

Granted Ive learned TONS of stuff during this time, I wouldnt go back on that, because I HAVE spent alot more time tinkering then flying.

But with a SE, SHOULD I REALLY HAVE TO!?
Should I need to order spareparts together with the kit just to make it fly?!

- Fredrik
06-20-2006 02:23 PM
 
 
TomRex
Elite Veteran
Location: West Palm Beach Fl.

Sombody oughta re-post that Align Factory Tour Video again so you all can see whats really happening

The AMA is way better than what you belong to!
06-20-2006 03:06 PM
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gkoutsis
Key Veteran
Location: Greek stuck in Belgium

I hate to say this, but its only a matter of time before we a serious injoury due to Align parts failing. And this is not considered whining. This is considered a WARNING!

Mark my words.....

George
06-20-2006 05:10 PM
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cooperd
Senior Heliman
Location: Everett

Quote: hate to say this, but its only a matter of time before we a serious injoury due to Align parts failing. And this is not considered whining. This is considered a WARNING!

Mark my words.....

George

If you believe this strongly that the product is unsafe, and you continue to use it, then you are as culpable as the manufacturer and a court of law would hold you responsible right along with them. Otherwise you are just making comments designed to project an "all knowing/doomsday predicting" ability on your part.
06-20-2006 06:50 PM
 
 
karl58
Senior Heliman
Location: Scottsdale, AZ

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If you believe this strongly that the product is unsafe, and you continue to use it, then you are as culpable as the manufacturer and a court of law would hold you responsible right along with them. Otherwise you are just making comments designed to project an "all knowing/doomsday predicting" ability on your part.


Obviously, an all knowing/doomsday predicting self-appointed product liability attorney

"I can't see or hear idiots"
06-20-2006 09:47 PM
 
 
Wa11banger
Elite Veteran
Location: Huntsville, Al

For those of you that have failed a tail.. Tell me where it says to run the HS, show me where it tells you a safe HS is? They are connected, the faster the HS the faster the tail. I dare ya to fail a tail oh say at 2200 HS the model flys there, can do most any manuever etc.. But wait you whine when you blow a tail out at close to or above 3000rpm.. SHOW ME where Align told you that was a safe HS.. Now go get your lawyer lol

Plus the parade of people that whine about the parts failing but fail to mention they have stuffed the model several times and only done a so so inspection before throwing it back in the air. Yes I understand there are bad parts made, it happens but I bet the percentages are roughly what any other production run are.. few and far between, and probably a batch issue where a bunch of them were bad and a few got through.


Rick

Proud member of the Quick UK, Duralite Flight Systems, V-Blade, and KBDD teams
06-20-2006 10:40 PM
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demosa
Veteran
Location: Tigard, Oregon, U.S.A.

I personally like Align parts. I think they are reasonably well designed and yes they may have some quality issues. Sure I've had to buy a few items two or three times to get them right but this is really true only for some critical parts. For me it was :
- the main gear (bought two pairs for a total of four gears for about $20; threw one of them away)
- the front tail rotor drive (bought three sets; they all had the same problem but guess what it didn't matter; I'm still flying with an out-of-true front tail gear with no problems)
- some bearings
- didn't like the aluminum belt pulleys; went to MH ones
- didn't like the steel tail rotor hub; still using the aluminum one with no problems.

For the most part the parts work and are pretty durable. And when the inevitable crash occurs, I like running down to the hobby shop and buying new parts without spending a fortune.

If Align can improve their quality with no hit in price I'll celebrate. But I wouldn't want to see Hirobo prices for Hirobo quality in this class ...

Demos
06-20-2006 11:16 PM
 
 
MrMel
Elite Veteran
Location: Lidingo, Sweden

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For those of you that have failed a tail


First T-rex XL, tail blow. HS less then 2500. Took 6 month before I located the tailblade, it had went through the wall (hovering inside in my 2 car garage)

Sorry couldnt resist.

Ps: Sweden - England 2-2 tonight in world cup, England hasnt beat sweden since 1968.

Im drunk, was a good game tonight though.

/Fredrik out
06-20-2006 11:22 PM
 
 
clive45
Veteran
Location: NSW Australia

Why not tag the parts with whats wrong with them,when purchasedand where and send them to Align in TW and ask them to replace or refund. Maybe they would be getting so many parts back they would do something about it. I bet they done get much feedback and if they do its only phone calls etc. Easy to ignore. But if they get the parts and can inspect them a common problem may be found an things improove. I know this is asking a lot but having read this thread for sooooo long I am entheused to fix the world along with others. Dam the torpedoes full steam ahead .
06-20-2006 11:50 PM
 
 
Gazzer
Veteran
Location: Hope Valley, UK

Just to stirr it up

Align make substandard heli's no question. Why have they been so popular. Being in the right place at the right time! When they released the first Trex 450 there was nothing like it at the same level. Was it well made, hell no, was it well engineered hell no. What then followed was some very clever marketing and hype by Align which has got them to where they are today. It has been great for Align, people buy stock kits of all sh*t quality plastic only to spend $$$ having to upgrade them. Even the top of the line SE has huge problems with exploding tails and seperating swash plates. The reason is that Align are not engineering their parts. That is their not checking or calculating stresses and strains. They just decided to build a heli, drew up the parts in CAD and had them manufactured. Most times 'if it looks right it is right' works. However in certain cases it does not and things go wrong! (I'm sure this technique works better with vaccum cleaners )

To those that complain about us complainers . Is it not important that new guys on these forums, possibly considering to buy a Trex for the first time get a true sense of the 'real' situation? Yes, I know it's hard to admit having spent thousands of dollars with Align (I'm not exagerating here ) that just maybe we have not been so wise. The reality is that there are now better heli's in this class out there, the problem is that the manufacturers are not promoting them as well and do not have the same support level , Koyosho is a good example.

Now what I find very interesting is what is going to happen with the Trex 600. A build thread has already started, the initial pictures look like the same crap quality, poorly designed plastic parts that Align are famous for. Time will tell. The difference now is that in this class of heli there is now much more competition. Take a look at the Hirobo Lepton (OK I know it's not the exact same class......). Look at what's already out there on the market with the Lepton SE. Blinged to the max, superb quality parts. More expensive...... I don't know considering the Trex is coming all plastic, how much to upgrade (which of course you'll have to do $$$$$$). What about the Eraptor coming soon. Please look at the photograph of the blade grips on the current 600 build thread. Then compare those with a Raptor 50, I mean what are we discussing here !

What I find most incredible is the 'blind loyalty' that some seem to have. Maybe it's just the hard core few that post here so it's not trully represntative of people in the hobby in general but come on guys, buying the Tex 600 sight unseen having seen no more than a few pictures and a video is just plain nuts. Particularily when you know the issues with the 450....... my god it is truly amazing

All IMHO
06-21-2006 01:00 AM
 
 
ozace
Key Veteran
Location: melbourne, australia

well said Gazzer

we can never have too many, can we ?
06-21-2006 01:30 AM
 
 
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