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Quick Worldwide
rrAdvertiser
Location: Coopersburg, PA

WE USE COMPOSITE STACKED FRAMES ONLY....

We HAVE INTRODUCED OUR QUARTER QUICKIE 25. In some of the posts there is reference to metal frames. We have not produced metal frames in over 10 years....Our kits are made with carbon or fiberglass stacked frames only. ANY METAL FRAMES KITS SHIPPED by us WERE DO SO ON A PROMOTIONAL PRODUCTS ONLY. These are only the older 60 NON drive tail machies.

PLEASE DO NOT CONFUSE OUR PRODUCTS UNDER QUICKWORLDWIDE WITH OTHER PRODUCTS MADE WITH THIN METAL FRAMES...WE USE ONLY COMPOSITE FRAMES.

Our newest 25 uses a OS FX 25 airplane motor with new fiberglass frames one way beaing clutch shoe & new motor mount & start shaft.

This motor has much more power than a 15-18 car motor & can handle the heat as well. I flew the first test with a 10 tooth....dropped down to a 9 tooth pinion...Yesterday I completed 7-8 flights with the machine & have decided to go back now to a 10 tooth for more RPM as the motor is now completly broken in. It really is a great flyer.

I have tried both 475 & 515MM blades..with the 9 tooth the 515 would be best..However I may go back to 475MM with the 10 tooth...

I really like small machines as they are extremely stable & responsive.....As soon as I test fly the 10 tooth & the 475Mm I will use for our school as we have the rest of the month booked with students.

I would like to test w .28 high RPM car motor if any one has one would like to do a test.....Please PM me.

It can easily handle the basic 3d & aerobatic....The blades did fluttter on the 18 the blades could load at all. The .25 has plently of power to handle the load....

We have already shipped out 10-125 of the 25 conversions to our older .18 flyers that really liked the machine but now will have more power....

Think Quick Think Quality...Irwin
07-05-2006 Over year old.
 
 
doorman
Elite Veteran
Location: E.Berne, NY

Quick Worldwide.... The Other One Speaks!!!!!

http://www.ep-8.com/
The site that I have listed above has the heli that I mentioned that has the metal side frames.
But as usual the only person that knows anything about heli's has jumped right in and hijacked this post.... and that is all that I will say about that subject....

So Isaac F, back to the subject at hand.... you have done a lot of work to pull the comparison numbers and yes the parts for the Pegasus "seem" higher, and also your idea for a crash kit is a definite good rule of thumb.... but, let me see if I can shed a little light on this subject for you...
The parts for the Pegasus come complete... you do not have to order three part numbers to build a control arm... another words, if there is a ball link, a bearing, washers, nuts, and any other misc parts that are needed to make it work, They Are In The Bag... and as we are talking about this, the importer is working on being able to get some of the "just" the plastic parts, less bearings, to help reduce the cost, but these things take a little time... so, it is being looked at...
Now let me tell you about my first day of flying the Pegasus, and why my thoughts on a crash kit are now being reconsidered!!!
I purchased my Pegasus and made a deal with Ron (importer) that we would take it out of the box at our heli event and put it together and test fly it right then and there, out of the box and on the flight line in UNDER 2 hours... So we did just that... at 10:30am, Ron started wrenching... and between talking to interested pilots and all the normal "bs" that goes on at a fun fly, he still had it ready in under 2 hours...and keep in mind that I had not flown one of these yet....
So we take it out to the flight line with it running a little on the rich side and Ron is trying to explain to me what it was going to feel like and what to expect (he was facing me while talking), but while he was giving me instructions, the heli was behind him in a ROCK SOLID HOVER....and when he finally turned around he was just smiling!!!.. It took about 3 clicks of trim on the fore and aft to make her sit there hands off... How bad is that for OUT OF THE BOX???
Then over the course of the day, Ron brought out some of his machines, each with it's own little differences, since these were the machines that he had used for testing and deciding to import this special little machine... The first one that he gives me to fly took off fine, and just as I rotated into forward flight, the elevator servo died, and the nose stayed in the down position, and went directly in from about 20 feet up at almost full throttle... damage, crunched side frames, and one mixing arm to the blade grip...and one landing gear skid...(oh yeah, and a NEW SERVO!!) This is ALL that was required to put this little bird back into the air... also, not one trim change was needed on the test flight after the rebuild....and I promise, this was not a pretty landing!!! NO main shaft, spindle, flybar,tail boom or blades.....
Later in the day, a unidentified pilot (RG are his initials!!) Got caught off guard a little and "Slapped" one of these into our metal barrier fence....looked as if it should be totaled.... cleaned it off, inspected every nut bolt and screw, changed one mixing arm and it was back in the air in under 30 minutes....again NO main shaft, spindle, flybar,tail boom or blades.....
Seems to me this little machine is light enough NOT to dig that big expensive hole when you do "dumb thumb" it into the ground, but still flies quite well and handles the wind like a 30 sized would... These are just some of my thoughts on the unit, and sorry about rambling on so long, but I just thought that people should know that this thing can take a beating and keep on ticking... (New name Timex!!!)
Stan

If there is a cure for this, please don't tell me about it!!!
07-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Isaac F
Key Veteran
Location: Panama Republic of Panama

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The parts for the Pegasus come complete... you do not have to order three part numbers to build a control arm... another words, if there is a ball link, a bearing, washers, nuts, and any other misc parts that are needed to make it work, They Are In The Bag... and as we are talking about this, the importer is working on being able to get some of the "just" the plastic parts, less bearings, to help reduce the cost, but these things take a little time... so, it is being looked at...


Hello Doorman, you are right, I check again the Pegasus spare parts and is clearly say that parts like the control arms,cross shaft for aileron, Pitch arms, tail pitch arm, etc COMES COMPLETE with the bearings, washers, screws. Now I undertand why the cost is higuer comparing it with the Raptors ones thats do not come with the "Extra Stuff". Sorry for my fault for not checking this before

I think is a very good idea what the Pegasus importer is working on about importing does plastic part without bearings to reduce the selling price.

I am very interested in this little heli, to do all the crazy things and dont hurt my pocket every time I crash and that why I was checking the spare prices and decide to do a comparision.

I do the comparison based on the parts that usually I have brake/damage on a crash but it seem that this heli can take the punishment/beating and keep on ticking

Bottomline, It was not my interest on posting the comparison prices in order to damage anybody bussisnes, but I think, this is a good way to call the attention of the importer/retailers to have spare parts at reasonoable cost....Whats the advantage of having a small heli, if crashing it, will cost almost the same of a bigguer one.

Regards,

Isaac
07-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
doorman
Elite Veteran
Location: E.Berne, NY

Price Comparisons.....

No problem at all, and I also think that the comparison was/is a good idea, and I also agree that if you have been flying heli's for awhile, you have a pretty good idea of what you will be needing when gravity begins to "suck" more then usual... and that happens pretty regularly, at least to me!!! But this little unit has taught me some new and interesting things already, and the more I fly it the better I like it... I ran three tanks today and started playing with the negative pitch that is there from the factory.. didn't have my pitch gauge with me to check to see what I had, but I will do that this evening, but I did increase the swash travel to 100% in both directions and then dialed the pitch curve down at the top (I am at about 75% at high in my curves)until I could fly it full throttle/collective without bogging the engine... I also increased my head speed to a consistent 1900rpm.... and I am liking this little guy more every time I lift it off... and the piro rate is GREAT at this head speed... (I am running glass blades and shorter tail blades right now, just as a side note)
I will go over it this evening with the pitch gauge and see what it is pulling and then I will have a good idea of where to set everything, and by tomorrow, I am hoping to be able to pull a pretty "clean" looking loop/flip out of it... I had it close today without changing any linkage lengths.. I will post some settings and results as I make the changes....
Just don't forget... THIS IS NOT A POWER HOUSE HELI, and it is intended for someone that wants to be able to just "cruise" around and enjoy a great day of "Laid Back" flying... I know that I am pushing it a bit, but I am just looking to "spice" it up a bit... I know Ron is flying his off the lake on floats and having a ball with it.. I might have to get a set of floats and go join him!!!!
"Stan"

If there is a cure for this, please don't tell me about it!!!
07-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Isaac F
Key Veteran
Location: Panama Republic of Panama

Hey Doorman,

I was checking the Pegasus Main Mast and at the bottom it have two holes. I dont know in what hole is set the main gear but if you can rise the main mast using the bottom hole, the wash out can travel more up and down and you can get more pitch both ways. Have you check this?
Also what thicknes is the main mast? Is that a 8mm?


Another thing I was checking is the Drive Gear for the clutch belt.
Is there is a way to use another drive gear from a available brand like the Raptor, etc to get a better or higuer Head Speed?


THX,

Isaac
07-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
359PETE
Veteran
Location: Belchertown, MA USA

Update

I managed to pull a full 22 degrees of collective out of our pegasus. Here is how.

Mechanical adjustments
Links connecting swash plate to bellcranks 3 full turns shorter

Bell-hiller links shortened 4 and a half turns.(long links going from swash to bell-hiller mixing arms)

Bell-hiller mixing arms moved to the inner hole (also gave 4.5 degrees of cyclic instead of 3.5)

Pitch double-links lengthened 1 and a half turns (at blade grip)

Most of those adjustments were to get the zero pitch point closer to the center of the servo travel. (it ended up at 1 degree positive at center)

Computer adjustments
We were running JR DS537 servos (with the small round wheels that come with the servos) at 100% ATVs and 60% for pitch, roll, and collective in swash mixing menu. I had to increase the collective value to 70%

We were hovering at about 7 degrees pitch... we cut it back to 6 to get more head speed. Its deceptive what the head speed is because the motor is turning much higher RPMs than a 30 would. We didn't tach it.. but our eventual goal is to try to get 2000 or so.

We now have 11.5 degrees on top and 10.5 on bottom.

Turns MUCH faster and even gets that big heli blade fart going when you hammer on it.

Still bogs when pushed. Not a 3D heli yet, it may bever be... but experimenting is fun. Next step is full length airplane tuned pipe and moveing up to 475 blades with less pitch.(we're running 440's now.) If nothing else its a GREAT collective management trainer!!!
07-07-2006 Over year old.
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doorman
Elite Veteran
Location: E.Berne, NY

More Info....

Well, I played with the existing links and was able to pull +10 & -10
with the stock set up... shortened the 3 links to the swash by 2 1/2 turns at each end and the 2 links that run up from the swash to the mixing arms 2 turns on one end..... This gave me 0 at center and 10 top and 10 bottom....should be interesting to see how this plays out tommorow... I will let you know...

Isaac F, yes it is an 8mm main shaft, and as far as your question about the primary drive gear, I am not sure that you would need or want to raise the head much over 1900 rpm... don't forget it is plastic... at the 1900 the engine "sounds" quite happy and it should pull the 10/10 without a problem....
I also did increase the swash mix throws to:
Ail: -65 Elev: -80 Pit: +100

I am looking forward to giving this a go tommorow and will let you know how it works out...
I do want to look at the Hold curve to see if I can get a little more then +10 for auto's (just in case!!!) and I should be able to do that my moving the timing hub up a bit more.... we'll look at that in the morning

Think it is about to REALLY become fun now!!! "Stan"

If there is a cure for this, please don't tell me about it!!!
07-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
359PETE
Veteran
Location: Belchertown, MA USA

I just talked to stan about our differant radio values... we have differant transmitters and that could partially explain it. I'm running a 9303, he's got a 10X.
07-07-2006 Over year old.
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flybarless
Key Veteran
Location: Torrington, CT

Well about 3 gallons through this little machine so far, one dumb pilot, a wash out arm and a landing strut fixed the heli, still working on a way to fix the pilot

For what this little guy cost, I am having a great time and even some of the plankers are getting pretty interested.

I have been flying the basic stock set up, cheap servos and gyro with a set of SAB 440 and tried some MAH 74's on the tail this weekend, wonderful combination. Loops and rolls all day and the tail tracks well with a Fut 240.
Tuning the motor has been a little interesting, they run a bit higher rpm's then my other helis at idle. The muffler screws came loose, I'm nut sure nylocks are the best for that application and changed to regular nuts with lock washers, no further issues.

I haven't started playing with the pitch range... yet. But I have a feeling, this weekend at the fun fly, the poor little machine is going to get pushed pretty hard. Should be fun.

Irwin, thanks for your input. But seeing as you are still challenged by clunk lines and basic manners, I'll have to take your input with a grain of salt.

Just remember -- if the world didn't suck, we would fall off.
07-10-2006 Over year old.
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359PETE
Veteran
Location: Belchertown, MA USA

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But seeing as you are still challenged by clunk lines and basic manners, I'll have to take your input with a grain of salt.


You know... I don't know the guy at all. But I have met him (Irwin) at the WRAM show, and he was so rude that I vowed to never give him a nickel. I guess I'm not the only one that noticed. I don't gossip about people... this is first hand experience. Granted we all have bad days and the WRAM show is a crowded mess... but he's got to remember he's representing his business.
07-10-2006 Over year old.
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doorman
Elite Veteran
Location: E.Berne, NY

Only One That Noticed......

359PETE

You are 100% correct, you are not the only one that has noticed, and what you saw there is the "NORM" for him.....dammed shame too, he has some things that I would like to use at times, but I cannot bring myself to throw $$'s at that type of an attitude.... JMHO TOO!!!!

Stan

If there is a cure for this, please don't tell me about it!!!
07-11-2006 Over year old.
 
 
arffy
Senior Heliman
Location: Ny

blackhawk parts are cheaper then a trex.
04-07-2007 Over year old.
 
 
flying scrap
Heliman
Location: uk lancashire

hi guys this is aheli i have wanted for a long time.
the problem is the only place that seems to stock it
in the UK is leamington hobby centre but i have had no
luck with them at all, no reply to e-mails no sense on
the phone and didnt want to be part from his bacon butty
at the 3d masters does anyone know of another stockist
in the uk that stocks both helis and parts thanks
pete
04-07-2007 Over year old.
 
 
duceduc
Senior Heliman
Location: Lat:34, Long: -118

pegasus setup

I just got my pegasus and am having some issues.

What are the mixture and high needle settings? I could not get mine to run properly.

Out of the box, the heli vibrates vertically at the tail? Anyone knows the cause? The blades are balanced; I lubicated the dampners aswell.

Do It! Do It™ - Duc S
04-19-2007 Over year old.
 
 
doorman
Elite Veteran
Location: E.Berne, NY

Settings.....

I don;t have mine in front of me to check the needle settings, but if I recall it was about 3 turns open to get started.... set it very rich to get it running and then get about 3 tanks through it and then you can start to settle the main into a good running point... but it is out further then most engines (OS, YS)
As far as the shake, you may have the main blades a little tight and it the engine is not up to speed, it is not "throwing" them to straight and causing your problem....
Take the mains off, and run the engine EASY.... let it be just above idel for the first two to three tanks... then try it again with the blades on and some head speed....

Hope this helps you out.... Stan

If there is a cure for this, please don't tell me about it!!!
04-20-2007 Over year old.
 
 
doorman
Elite Veteran
Location: E.Berne, NY

The Best Service!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I ordered Pegasus #2 yesterday at about 1pm...... it showed up at my door today at just about noon...... Now that is service.....
And it even had all the optional "stuff" that I ordered too.....gotta love it.....
Gotta take one (or two) to the Seaview event next week..... See you there. Stan

If there is a cure for this, please don't tell me about it!!!
04-26-2007 Over year old.
 
 
flying scrap
Heliman
Location: uk lancashire

i couldnt even get a return e-mail from the main
uk stockest in that time
i did e-mail him last summer
04-26-2007 Over year old.
 
 
CJames
Key Veteran
Location: Back in KC

Compare between the pegasus and the quick
One of the local guys here in KC bought one of the tiny quick helis, very un-impressed with it, wouldn't fly, lots of issues, he is an expert pilot and builder who has been in helis over 15 years, and HE couldn't get it to fly!
I think the Pegasus is the way to go!

Anyone want a pet rabbit?.............I found him on the road dead and I'm tired of hugging him
05-10-2007 Over year old.
 
 
banong
New Heliman
Location: Union City, CA, USA

Please help.....My Pegasus only lift 4ft off the ground, trotle all the way up. My idle speed is ok, but high speed is one click to close. Carburator is all the way open. Pitch -2, 7, 10. What I'm doing wrong?......THANKS GUY'S
08-05-2008 06:56 AM
 
 
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