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Synergy R/C Synergy N9 > synergy forum?
 
 
raptorheli2
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Location: rip off britain and no changing it

onthefly, your signiture does you no justice. your reading what you want to read and reading it how you want to read it. will i put my posts in capitals or perhaps crayon, will that help?

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I am no fool
food for thought people!

cheers


www.waterfoothelis.com
07-11-2006 Over year old.
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DS 8717
rrProfessor
Location: Here wishing i was somewhere else

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If Jason proves us all wrong, that plastic and G10 is better......

If plastic grips and plastic bearing blocks is better on bearings, alum boom better than CF boom,...the Raptor 90 STD whould pick up again and may sell more than the 90SE? A 90 STD sells for $600 only and the 90SE sells for $900. Is that possible?


As soon as the anodized aluminum parts become available for the Synegry from aftermarket suppliers,people will buy them like no tomorrow.....and end up adding another pound to the heli. And IF (thats a big if) i bought a raptor 90 it wouldn't be the SE either,that thing is a porker the head assy probably weighs a pound by itself.DOUG
07-11-2006 Over year old.
 
 
bparro
Veteran
Location: indianapolis,in

Yes, and they wont fly them either
07-11-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Yug
rrProfessor
Location: UK. Herts

I'm sure it's been frustrating to many that the Synergy was first seen flying at 3DM last year and won't be available until 3DM this year. OK, it's a massive undertaking to get a heli to market, but I feel that it also implies that JK has been testing his designs to the Nth degree, to come up with an exceedingly good out of the box heli, requiring no upgrades; and, with all the warts and flaws having been ironed out. I don't think the issue here is about money at all, it's the simple fact that the synergy promises to deliver performance.

Vegetable rights and Peace
07-11-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Helinutnz
Elite Veteran
Location: below 42 South

onthefly. to tell you the truth the align cf is crap and the align metal bits are crap as well. It gets away with it as the forces are so much lower on a small heli. (Oh yes I have one) Luckily there are peole in the world like you to walk into a shop and look for the shiniest most technocolored accessory and shell out hundreds of dollars for the priviledge of looking the "coolest" on the field even though a stock trex XL would still outfly your incredible handling skill. There are better upgrades from other companies but you pay more for them. A few may be of benefit but most won't.

So we have decreed that all heli's are rubbish unless CF and metal is included....everywhere. Great I am glad you are out there to go buy those heli's. I'll put it plain and simple for you. (raptorheli i liked the crayon idea!)

What should I look for when choosing A heli?

1. Functional for the use intended
2. Cost to maintain and repair (including initial buy price and cost of ownership in the long term. I want to fang it hard so don't want to be afraid of crashing and why crash something more expensive if it doesn't fly any better)
3. Availability of spares, company reputation and history
4. Asthetic appeal (for you thats CF and metal but for me thats the way it looks when it's flying)
5. Weight
6. Ease of maintainence, setup, tuning, rebuilding
7. Design and Engineering practices employed on the heli.

On the weight one...CF is lighter for the same strength than G10 so the Aurora has that benefit but at what cost? I'd rather break my frames than some other bit's. Also please note that many get all hot and fissy about CF frames and then bolt on truckloads of after market metal parts so they have lost the weight advantage they had in the start. (Thats just plain dumb) I'd like to know just how much lighter the CF frames are from the Aurora to the Synergy and then the total weight of both heli's. That would be interesting.

onthefly maybe this discussion is pitched a little higher than your perception of the issue and your comments border on trolling. Sorry.
07-11-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Yug
rrProfessor
Location: UK. Herts

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On the weight one...CF is lighter for the same strength than G10
. It's not only about strength, it's about the elasticity of materials, ie their ability to deform and absorb shock. That's why plastic bearing blocks tend to be superior with respect to bearing longevity.
The materials used in different machines are relative to the size and weight of the machine. When it comes to something like the Trex, then it's so light that it makes far less difference. The plastic used in the raptor helis is fine EXCEPT it has some undesirable properties of inelasticity, This is observed in features (30/50 size) like the main bearing blocks which can become oval resulting commonly in traverse play. In the CF raptor 90SE, I get the feeling that the combination of metal blocks and CF frames tends to be a reasonably good combination so the bearings hold up pretty well inspite of the fact that TT do use cheaper bearings. The synergy on the other hand is a different kettle of fish in that it is a lighter and more rigid machine due to the geometry and simpler frame structure. This therefore places different requirements on the bearing blocks. Metal would not be so good.

Vegetable rights and Peace
07-12-2006 Over year old.
 
 
crash-
Veteran
Location: Ca

I will post in engine for info.
07-12-2006 Over year old.
 
 
nitro fun
Senior Heliman
Location: wilmington ca

WoW

i have been into heli for a long time and never have seen hype for a copter like synergy, if synergy is 1050 then i will stick to my stratus not a x-cell copyed head design, by th pictures i see it look like he tryrd to make fast servo inputs with short arms to the servo then it has ton of flybar input to make it smooth.
everyone just go buy one and sell me your x-cell cheap. i will make good use of the x-cell for parts
07-12-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Helinutnz
Elite Veteran
Location: below 42 South

another pointless post from a beginner
07-12-2006 Over year old.
 
 
iachia
Veteran
Location: Milan, Italy

It's really incredible the degree some of you will come to to defend this product.
Come on! it's as simple as that:
- the Synergy is made out of plastic and G10;
- it costs as much as other helis that are made of CF and metal parts;
- something is wrong with this.

I can understand when you say you'd rather prefer a heli that don't burn a hole in your poket when you crash but I would expect to pay much less for this heli since it's made of plastic.

The same applyes to cars: would you pay the same price for a KIA and a BMW just because the KIA is chepaer to maintein?

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07-12-2006 Over year old.
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hansking12
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Location: irvine, ca

iachia, you're right!

you know, now that i think of it, a ferrari is made of the exact same materials as almost every other car. i should be able to buy a new one for 20-30k! if you don't want one, don't buy one. but i'm willing to bet that after you've touched the sticks on one, you will see that there is something very different about this heli. whatever you choose, fly well and safely!
07-12-2006 Over year old.
 
 
iachia
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Location: Milan, Italy

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but i'm willing to bet that after you've touched the sticks on one, you will see that there is something very different about this heli

Well... you already lost your bet! I actually had the chance to fly it (more than once) and you can see what my choice is by reading my signature

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you know, now that i think of it, a ferrari is made of the exact same materials as almost every other car.

I kindly disagree also with this statment

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07-12-2006 Over year old.
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hansking12
Senior Heliman
Location: irvine, ca

touche iachia, well put. ok, how about ducati vs japanese bikes then?
07-12-2006 Over year old.
 
 
iachia
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Location: Milan, Italy

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touche iachia, well put. ok, how about ducati vs japanese bikes then?


You pay for a piece of history there

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Synergy N9
07-12-2006 Over year old.
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Helinutnz
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Location: below 42 South

I just looked at some prices for the upper frames in carbon for the X-Spec from Ricks. $166.99 Note these are the upper frames only. Now anyone that says an Aurora can come out for $1000 complete all blinged out with Complete carbon and metal etc etc and expect to be able to maintain it "cheap" has got to be dreaming. So what will a complete Aurora frame set be worth after your first fight with gravity assuming you dick them completely? $50? $60? or more like $200-250?

Why and how could Aurora come out around $1k reportedly. The synergy is ready now but the Aurora isn't. Is it to ensure you hold off to buy an Aurora instead? Great marketing. Now I like the look of the Aurora......one fine lookiing ship from the pictures but I am skeptical of it being in the synergy's price bracket completely based on the relative cost of certain building materials. You get what you pay for and if you really feel spending extra on bling will enable you to become an instant top gun I say open your wallet and let those greenbacks fly. I am convinced in your cases that there is no doubt the Aurora will open another skill level not previously evident unable to be matched by the lower cost "plastic" toy heli's available. (Although this may be in your own minds)

Where as the rest of us will suffice with the lower less worthy plastic models that will be less expensive to repair and we will be less worried about fanging them hard but more than likely, as we have not got pretty carbon and shiny metal, will not get better at flying.

I see it this way. Choose the heli that suits you and not someone else.
If your requirements are Carbon and metal and cheap....get a raptor
If your requirements are Cheaper to fix but loaded with improvements and a high class well proven beta tested 3 D model...then get the N9
If your requirements are carbon and metal and don't mind spending more for repairs then maybe Aurora, etc etc. Where you will get a high class heli that won't necessarily fly any better than the others anyway.

over and out
07-14-2006 Over year old.
 
 
iachia
Veteran
Location: Milan, Italy

Avant FX/EFX carbon frames are 64.95$ each. No reason Aurora's will cost more than that.
Nobody here said the manteinece costs will be the same. The discussion was just about the kit price wich appears to be the same for 2 models in 2 different classes, at least with regard of building materials.
You can like it or not but you can't honestly say that the cost of material is the same for G10/plastic vs carbon/metal.

Anyway, as daddiesyacht said to anyone his own.

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07-14-2006 Over year old.
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John M
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Location: Next door to the Wombles UK

""cheap" has got to be dreaming. So what will a complete Aurora frame set be worth after your first fight with gravity assuming you dick them completely? $50? $60? or more like $200-250?"

That is one of the reasons I chose the Avant. Have a look at the CX website for prices (one side of a frame $65) and you only need two to make the frame.
Then go have a look at the Vibe lised prices and tell me how they compare.

I am getting both an Aurora and a Synergy each for their own purpose and place.

If people go to the Midlandheli website there looks to be a working real life photo of the Aurora model on their homepage.
07-14-2006 Over year old.
 
 
nitro fun
Senior Heliman
Location: wilmington ca

funny

when i started in heli, everyone wanted metal parts more percision and get rid of all the bushing and use bearrings. now people are talking about how good plastic is, and how good it is on a 1000 90???
defending plastic over metal???? but it dos`nt matter they all crash the same
07-14-2006 Over year old.
 
 
raptorheli2
Elite Veteran
Location: rip off britain and no changing it

wow, it has happened. jk is paid up advertiser. thanks for that. now we have a place to go.

cheers


www.waterfoothelis.com
07-14-2006 Over year old.
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Helinutnz
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Location: below 42 South

the question is.....if the heli's fly equally as well would you rather replace a set of G10 Frames or Carbon Frames?

Nitro fun. Everyone wanted metal bits because everyone else had them. Also some plastics were crap and the metal bit's were an upgrade. Also bushings were rubbish compared to bearings and isn't an issue. Almost nothing is bushed nowadays simply because it is much better.
07-17-2006 Over year old.
 
 
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