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raptorheli2
Elite Veteran
Location: rip off britain and no changing it

dodger, can you please advise your boss the synergy is only worth about £400, onthefly is no fool and speaks the truth. i expect my POS plastic kit to be reduced when you get them in stock.

cheers

www.waterfoothelis.com

07-10-2006 Over year old.

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Stu.
Veteran
Location: Abrakebabra Kebab shop

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dodger, can you please advise your boss the synergy is only worth about £400, onthefly is no fool and speaks the truth. i expect my POS plastic kit to be reduced when you get them in stock.

I nearly wet myself.

Mind you i thought the Knight was great

Stu

07-10-2006 Over year old.

Roger Hamilton
Senior Heliman
Location: Surrey, England

LOL

07-10-2006 Over year old.

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Stu.
Veteran
Location: Abrakebabra Kebab shop

Douglas,

I dont think you get it I have had a few Helis that probably come into this bracket that will give some comparison..

1) Knight 50 (all metal and well not exactly my fave heli)
2) Rappy 90SE with every emtal upgrade you can thik of.
3) MA Fury Extreme, times 3
4) Fury Ion
5) Joker CX

which ones flew the best?

The ones made of G10 with metal headblocks and plastic maingrips. MA helis

The Raptor 90 was a heavy SOB which to be fair flew, just wasnt at all as pokey as the G10 and plastic fantastics.

Metal helis.....The Knight 50. Less said about that the better probably.

In sumamry. Metal and fancy expensive materials do NOT make a good or great flying heli. Intelligent use of materials DOES.

So get the proverbial pointy part out the dyke.

Stu

07-10-2006 Over year old.

crash-
Veteran
Location: Ca

I would like to see the Synergy and Aurora up close.
Kit and spares price.
What LHS will stock them.
Guess I have to wait to find out.
What machine I will buy time will tell.
IMHO
The one that give me the best support
is the one I will buy.

07-11-2006 Over year old.

DS 8717
rrProfessor
Location: Here wishing i was somewhere else

Dont worry about me,i get it perfectly. i'm just trying to get the post count up so i can win the contest and buy a carbon fiber framed AURORA to go along with my G10 framed Xcell,carbon framed Vigor and plastic framed EVO.DOUG

07-11-2006 Over year old.

raptorheli2
Elite Veteran
Location: rip off britain and no changing it

don't worry douglas, i noted your tally and i'll be posting like a beyatch on heat so you don't win and you can maybe skimp and save to buy a coke bottle melted down synergy.

cheers

www.waterfoothelis.com

07-11-2006 Over year old.

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j5coat
Veteran
Location: Phoenix

whats wit the plastic and g10 only, last i heard there are metal pieces where metal is needed. you dont want to put metal everywhere you can it will end up weighing a ton like the raptor90. And as far as the carbon goes who cares, the g10 frames only weigh 2 ounces more than the carbon. to my knowledge the synergy carbon frames broke faster than the g10 frames that its currently using. so for it being so much stronger it sure doesnt show it.

Trex 700, Trex 600n

07-11-2006 Over year old.

raptorheli2
Elite Veteran
Location: rip off britain and no changing it

j5....shhhhh, you'll be bannished for talking common sense like that.

it IS metal where it needs to be and plastics have been used where deemed needed or would be fine for the application, your correct in the g10 has stood up better, bobj has already said so much. the point being made here is for the same price the aurora offers better value for money on face of it, can't argue with that. what no one knows is what the actual rrp will be of the aurora, the synergy we in uk know now. midlands has the aurora £100 more than the synergy now (about $175 or so) usa prices is a guess.

cheers

www.waterfoothelis.com

07-11-2006 Over year old.

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Yug
rrProfessor
Location: UK. Herts

Yesterday at the MK Heliclub flyin, there were 8 Synergy N9s present, plus the likes of Bob Johnston and Duncan Osbourne plus many othet top UK pilots. Boy, do these machines fly well. Inspite of relatively high winds, they absolutely tore up the sky and tracked beautifully making light work of the adverse conditions. Both Bob and Duncans flying was riveting. It was very apparent to me that the N9s behave in a way that most other 90s have difficulty in achieving. It was great getting up close to one at last and being able to discuss the finer points with Bob. I've recently been hearing of several grips and moans about the plastic nature of the N9, but now understand why it's been put together the way it has. Its simply down to using the right materials for the right job. For example, because the main bearing blocks are plastic, this minimises wear on the main bearings. You've also got to remember that the cost of this component in plastic is probably more than making it in metal. I was amazed to hear that the machine takes much longer to wear out than most others. One of Duncans comments was simply that the machine is amazing to fly because it is so precise and accurate. It is very stable regardless of wind conditions and simply does what it's told. There was very little to adjust on the head which means it's all optimised and will be easy to build and setup. The only slop I could find was around the tail rotors but apparently this didn't compromise performance and I'm sure many of the N9s I looked at have been thrashed. I would certainly order one righ now if I had enough spare dosh. I don't know what stage of development the Aurora is at and when it's going to be released but what with now having a greater understanding of the N9 and being blown away with its performance, it's got to take the top spot in 90 size helis. Last year, the R90SE was very favoured, but the N9 will undoubtedly take it's place and will fly great out the box. The same couldn't be said for the R90SE; in order to get that upto scratch, substantial sums of money still had to be parted with to ensure it was upto the task of a good thrashing, and even then, it leaves a lot to be desired.

07-11-2006 Over year old.

G-Force Heli
Senior Heliman
Location: Ontario, Canada

If Jason proves us all wrong, that plastic and G10 is better......

If plastic grips and plastic bearing blocks is better on bearings, alum boom better than CF boom,...the Raptor 90 STD whould pick up again and may sell more than the 90SE? A 90 STD sells for $600 only and the 90SE sells for $900. Is that possible?

07-11-2006 Over year old.

crash-
Veteran
Location: Ca

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to my knowledge the synergy carbon frames broke faster than the g10 frames that its currently using. so for it being so much stronger it sure doesnt show it.

Just a question?
If the main frame are breaking is this a weak spot in the heli?
Is the G10 covering this flex?
Thank you for the info.

07-11-2006 Over year old.

Roger Hamilton
Senior Heliman
Location: Surrey, England

Perhaps you should ask Yamaguchi why he flew his raptor 90 se with plastic blade grips at last years 3D Masters, with a headspeed well over 2000.

07-11-2006 Over year old.

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Yug
rrProfessor
Location: UK. Herts

I wish Yamaguchi had flown last year, he was in 2004 and used metal dampers, ie a rigid head. What amazing rainbows

It would be interesting to see how long his raptors lasted before major repairs were necessary. I very much doubt the SE swash would last and he undoubtedy fitted many upgrades to cope with the stresses, like push pull linkages, stronger flybar, stronger tail grips etc etc.

07-11-2006 Over year old.

G-Force Heli
Senior Heliman
Location: Ontario, Canada

I think with all that hard 3D flying, it doesn't matter if it is plastic or metal. It will show wear and will need replacement. I much prefer plastic in certain places so it will break in a crash. Plus, plastic parts are cheaper to replace.

Once I wear out the bearings in the metal carriers in the 90SE, I am going back to the 90 STD plastic carriers.

The only thing that has to be metal is the head. The metal grips are going to be sold in favor of the plastic ones.

As for the CF side plates, they are staying. Too cool to toss.

07-11-2006 Over year old.

Helinutnz
Elite Veteran
Location: below 42 South

Thats pretty much what it comes down to isn't it. The carbon frames are just "too cool to toss"

For others with the CF/metal fetish.
Why will metal grips be sold instead of plastic? Are you aware that metal grips chew the main bearings out faster? Just because a R 90 needs them doesn't mean other helis that have plastic grips are no good. I remember Curtis Youngblood saying in one of his forums that he prefered the "feel" of plastic grips over metal and that they were easier on the bearings. Also some metal parts are absolute crap still. But there seems to be a blanket rule.....metal is better than plastic. A metal bearing block is heavier than a plastic bearing block!!! But you want to save 2 oz's of weight by fitting CF frames. The logic astounds me. Well why not CF frames and plastic bearing blocks then???? Oh thats not "cool" enough. Superfatcat I understand thats what you are saying you will do so relax big guy.

I'm knocking my head against a brick wall here trying to understand all this. No one disputes that the Aurora has more "goodies" on it and would be a great deal at the same price as the synergy (as long as it costs the same to maintain) otherwise if the Aurora is say $1300 and the Synergy $1000 then it's the same deal huh?

Who was the bright spark that suggested it was worth $650 tops?
Based on what? Plastic frames? Blinded you are grasshopper....

07-11-2006 Over year old.

G-Force Heli
Senior Heliman
Location: Ontario, Canada

Bit by bit, I am replacing select metal parts on the R90SE with plastic parts.

I am sure the N9 will do well. I always did like it even if it is G10 or not. It's such a simple design and easy to work one. As long as the cost of parts are low, it will be a winner.

It is already showing up a clubs and everyday pilots can make this bird dance.

I just wish it used a push-pull system .

07-11-2006 Over year old.

nitro fun
Senior Heliman
Location: wilmington ca

x-cell

parts count on a x-cell? what do they need to do to make it fly better? make a one piece plastic frame? lower the bearring count? make a plastic canopy for those that cant paint with a stickers pack? with a x-cell head you can get any ratio you want!!change ball length on bell mixer. stratus flybar carrier has three postions.

07-11-2006 Over year old.

raptorheli2
Elite Veteran
Location: rip off britain and no changing it

superfatcat, the cost of synergy parts here is already at raptor money with the prices that have been released, i'm also told there will be a bleach bottle canopy available for people who don't want to wreck 150 quids worth a canopy when it's painted.

value for money on the synergy isn't it's strong suit i admit, but more to it then the initial buy price for me, maybe thats not a consideration for others.

cheers

www.waterfoothelis.com

07-11-2006 Over year old.

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DS 8717
rrProfessor
Location: Here wishing i was somewhere else

Why would you want a Raptor 90 when you can get the Synergy for the same price? Plus the Synergy is at least a pound lighter,and comes with a fiberglass canopy. It uses plastic in the right places,aluminum parts would only raise the weight of the heli. The Synergy is also built for future more powerful engines. Large carbon frames like the Synergy would drive the total cost up of the kit,this is the reason Xcell didnt use carbon for the frames on the Extreme. DOUG

07-11-2006 Over year old.

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