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e-Century Hummingbird - Swift > Anyone flying a CP?
 
 
Eurofan
Heliman
Location: West-central Ohio

I have a new CP and am having difficulty getting started. The tail rotor is on the left side and the blade wants to pull off all the time. Should this thing be running counter-clockwise? I installed a set of symetrical blades already. Also looking for advice on throttle and pitch curve settings. I don't know if it matters, but I am runniing a LiPo battery. I have a Futaba 6EHX computer radio with 5 point throttle and pitch curve settings. Should I have the gyro and revo swithched on? If so what do i set them at? My bird has just the Hummingboard ESC/gyro mixer. I am pulling my hair out and don't have much left
Thanks in advance,
David
06-01-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Bill8Bud
Senior Heliman
Location: Rocklin CA

For a quick response you may want to post this question over here.

http://runryder.com/helicopter/f100p1/

Soap bottle body, LG Ugrade, DD Tail, Thunder Power 1320 Lipo, Autorotation gear, and 9 tooth motor
06-01-2006 Over year old.
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Silvashadow
Senior Heliman
Location: Bexley, Kent, UK

Hi Eurofan, a spot of cyano on the end of the rubber stopper holding the tail blade on will cure your problem.

Running the hummingboard means that you do not need to have any revo set as it is built in to the mixers. You can use a little eventually, if needed to trim the tail at all collective settings.

I have the Century brushless inrunner installed in mine running on 3S Lipo's and in governor mode on the ESC 75% in normal and 90% in idle up. So I cant help on throttle curve. Mine is set up for 0 deg pitch at centre stick and my curves are:-
Normal - 35, 40, 54, 78.5, 100
Idle up - 15, 37, 54, 78.5, 100

If you are using 3S Lipo's you will need to upgrade the tail motor to either the Century 'High Performance' CNE256 or 'High Performance' CNE253 type. I have the later and it has lasted for ages.

Hope this helps.
06-01-2006 Over year old.
 
 
cudaboy_71
Key Veteran
Location: sacramento, ca, u.s.

bill8...i think we can assume he's talking about a hummingbird cp, not a blade cp.

but, who knows...they may be able to help over there too

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Should this thing be running counter-clockwise?


yes....it should be trying to push the whole helicopter clockwise with the force it makes. do like i suggested in the other post and reverse the polarity of the motor where it plugs in the gyro.

if it ain't broke…break it.
06-01-2006 Over year old.
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Bill8Bud
Senior Heliman
Location: Rocklin CA

Opps, thanks for the clarification Cuda

Soap bottle body, LG Ugrade, DD Tail, Thunder Power 1320 Lipo, Autorotation gear, and 9 tooth motor
06-01-2006 Over year old.
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Eurofan
Heliman
Location: West-central Ohio

I tried reversing the polarity, but that only made it spin faster. When I mentioned counter-clockwise, I was refering to the main rotor. The tail rotor needs to force itself onto the motor gear correct? If so, then the tail should push to the right when the tail motor spins. But that means that the main blades would be spinning counter-clockwise creating the spin to the left. Maybe I should just put an FP tail boom on it.
I don't understand the idle-up command yet, is that switched on and off with ch5? If so, I don't have any plugs to go into the ch5 port on my radio. Is that used when a separate ESC and gyro are used? I'll check and make sure that my gyro and REVO are swithed off. Should I be able to throttle the motor up without adding pitch, if so, how?
Sorry for asking what probably seems like simple questions, but I am brand new to this stuff.
Thanks again.
06-02-2006 Over year old.
 
 
wakeboarder2342
Veteran
Location: cedar city utah

a word of advise,

save the trouble and sell the CP FAST!!!

i spent hundreds on mine and never got it to fly decent.

the blade CP or Trex or even the Hummingbird PRO are far better options then the hummingbird CP


9 out of 10 people cant get it to fly worth a dang and the other 1 person just got lucky!!

favorite quote, no honey thats the same helicoptor i have always had
06-02-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Eurofan
Heliman
Location: West-central Ohio

I have hundreds in mine already, I might try the counter-clockwise rotation for the heck of it to see if it helps.
Thanks
06-02-2006 Over year old.
 
 
cudaboy_71
Key Veteran
Location: sacramento, ca, u.s.

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I tried reversing the polarity, but that only made it spin faster.


that's irrelevant. you probably have the gryo or the rudder channel reversed. but, the first thing you need to do is getting the tail motor spinning the right direction.

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When I mentioned counter-clockwise, I was refering to the main rotor.



no. the mains needs to spin clockwise

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The tail rotor needs to force itself onto the motor gear correct? If so, then the tail should push to the right when the tail motor spins. But that means that the main blades would be spinning counter-clockwise creating the spin to the left.


ya...its kinda confusing when you're new to all of this. and, its difficult troubleshooting without seeing pictures or being there, too im sure its something simple (so dont give up) but, it might be a miscommunication here also.

try this: take the tail blade off completely and slowly begin to spool up the helicopter. the whole airframe should start to spin counterclockwise when the mains start to generate enough torque.

now, put the tail rotor back on and adjust the polarity of the tail motor so that the force of the tail will counteract the spin you observed when the tail rotor is off.

now at least you know the blades are spinning the right direction and we can move on to setting the gyro and rudder direction.

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Maybe I should just put an FP tail boom on it.


i dont think that will solve anything.

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I don't understand the idle-up command yet, is that switched on and off with ch5? If so, I don't have any plugs to go into the ch5 port on my radio. Is that used when a separate ESC and gyro are used? I'll check and make sure that my gyro and REVO are swithed off. Should I be able to throttle the motor up without adding pitch, if so, how?



idle up just allows you to have two separate throttle/pitch curves (throttle and pitch are both controlled simultaneously with the vertical axis of the left stick) so, you'll (typically) have one set of curves called 'normal' that will control both throttle speed and pitch in a linear fashion from 0-100%***, while idle up will be a linear setup for pitch, but throttle will be constant.

if you haven't done so, you should really read through the ehbg...it'll fill in a lot of the blanks for you on some of these concepts.

***not really linear...but, that's the concept. in reality there's a whole 'nother concept regarding pitch that needs to be addressed with a pitch gauge that i won't get into here.

if it ain't broke…break it.
06-02-2006 Over year old.
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oldfart
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

Just one observation.

Cudaboy is giving you some good advice.

But be sure you are using the correct tail blades, the ones for the CP and not those for the V3. They are pitched differently for use on different sides of the boom.
06-05-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Eurofan
Heliman
Location: West-central Ohio

Thanks to all for their help.
The tail rotor blade is a likely problem, as I loaned one of mine to my brother for use on his FP. He replaced it, but the guy at our local hobby shop didn't know there is a difference from one to the other. So I likely have the wrong one on mine.
But none of this fixes the problem of my tail rotor blade pulling off the gear. Maybe I am missing a retainer for mine that holds it in place better??? All I have for mine is the little rubber tube that slides on the gear shaft.
cudaboy, thanks for the insight on the idle-up control. I read through some of the EHBG that you sent, THANKS! I do have a general understanding of the dynamics of a heli, but I can't understand why the tail rotor blade is on the left
I am still wondering if I should be able to throttle the motor with out adding pitch. Someone showed me they could do it on a nitro, I am just wondering if i don't have something set up correctly, that's all.
Thanks again
06-05-2006 Over year old.
 
 
cudaboy_71
Key Veteran
Location: sacramento, ca, u.s.

the little rubber tube is all i had holding mine on. it works fine.

run through the checklist i gave you and that should tell you if anything is set up wrong.

if it ain't broke…break it.
06-06-2006 Over year old.
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