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e-Align T-REX 450-500-600 > Whos gettin the 600?
 
 
rfaster
Senior Heliman
Location: San Jose, CA

I'm hoping the Rex600 - comes out as a V1.5 relase - we may find that this new product benefits from all of the good stuff they did with the SE.

Also - The main reason I'm into E is the fact that I can fly closer to home - and not drive out to the field. Its a big reason my 40% planes spend more time in my trailer than in the air. I happen to have a 2X size soccer field next door and when the conditions are right (no kids - people etc...) I sport fly my Swift and plan to fly my IonX in the same space.

I agree with Kook - its obvious who this new kit is marketed towards.
06-14-2006 Over year old.
 
 
kookboy
Key Veteran
Location: Vancouver, BC -up north and Seattle, WA down south

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I can't imagine what would happen if a 600 sized bird glitched and flew into someone or someone's car/house, or how much damage a thrown blade would cause.


Same here.

... But honey it was only $$$
06-14-2006 Over year old.
 
 
kookboy
Key Veteran
Location: Vancouver, BC -up north and Seattle, WA down south

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Race cars are raced on race tracks, the ones that dont eventually get killed, kill someone else or get arrested.


It's harsh, but sheepshagger is right.

... But honey it was only $$$
06-14-2006 Over year old.
 
 
steph280
Key Veteran
Location: Irvine, California

Size do matter

I am not just saying 600 flies better than 450, but bigger helis in general will fly better than smaller ones. I have a fleet of T-Rex 450's but I still have a lot more fun with the Raptor 50. To an advanced pilot or sports flier alike, manuevers are just much easier to do with larger birds. On top of that the hovering stability is worlds apart.

Ever try flying a T-Rex 450 in 20-30 mph gusts, like a typical Socal afternoon? I'd take a bigger heli anyday.
06-14-2006 Over year old.
 
 
pauchelle
Senior Heliman
Location: West Palm Beach, FL

Just one of my thoughts about flying 600 in front of their House.

Joe Smoke - Average Citizen started flying Trex450 learn how to hover. But hes only been flying 4 weeks.

Joe Smoke EX - Average citizen Been flying 50 size heli for over 10 years.

Joe Smoke Limited - Myself or You, Average pilot.

ALL of you live on the same neighborhood.

You saw Joe Smoke flying infront of hes garage. First impression... you will be like... WTF #@$%$# Thats not safe!!!

2nd day.

Joe Smoke EX. You saw him fly hes 50 size ION x. you know hes been flying more than 10 years.

And you feel comfortable... WHY????? because you know he knows what hes doing....


THEN JOE SMoke Limited. UP to you on whatever you wanna DO!!!

Theres nothing wrong on flying 50 size E heli, infront of your house.

AS long as you know theres no kids by stander, homeless guy wathching.

And always use common sense and SAFETY.

But... this is just me so ignore what i said here... keep reading some other peoples opionions.. Dont read mine
06-15-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Gazzer
Veteran
Location: Hope Valley, UK

Glad to keep the debate raging

The original question posed for this thread was 'Who's gettin the 600'. I would contend not as many as Align hope For reasons as follows:

1. As clearly explained in the last few posts it ain't a heli for the backyard, schoolyard or street! Therefore what advantage an Align Trex 600 when you got to take it to your local flying club field? The opposite was true for the Trex 450 and its why it was such a great success

2. Look what alternatives are now available if you want a bigger e-heli. From companies that are far better known for quality, reliability, field credibility Frankly guys, Align quality on the 450 sucks, sure its cheap to buy the parts but look how many parts your having to buy Will their quality be so much better for the 600 ..... we will see but why take that gamble when their are others to choose from ( Willy ya old 'sheepshagger' feel free to chime in anytime you like on the Align quality issue )

3. I't aint practical. For 5 min flight times, expensive batteries, time required to charge them, dangers involved in storing and charging.....why the hell bother......... get a nitro Can you compare Align to Ferrari, nope one makes ultra high quality, stylish performance sports cars. The other makes, not so reliable, cheap mini's..........

In summary and to continue a posting referring to Align having carnal relations with a canine, the Trex 600 is gonna bomb. Sure there will be an initial rush of orders for guys buying 'sight unseen' but you can bet when the dust settles and they see the true reality of what they are buying into that this is not going to be sucessful......... at least in terms of what Aign are hoping. Selling hundreds of thousands of cheap 50 class e-helis is just not gonna happen!

All IMHO

Oh and by the way...... I'm not gonna be getting one
06-15-2006 Over year old.
 
 
pauchelle
Senior Heliman
Location: West Palm Beach, FL

Align already Sold thousands of them. The question is... How many will Return or complain.

In australia along they just sold more than 1000 units for Demo usage. And guess what? No complaints. But ofcourse... We still need to wait for average Joe like me who work hard everyweek just to fund this expensive hobby.

I know im taking a risk. But... I dont give a S$#5T.

But ofcourse... keep on going.. ignore what I said here.
06-15-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Gazzer
Veteran
Location: Hope Valley, UK

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Align already Sold thousands of them

Thousands probably, hundreds of thousands..... I doubt it. Align will have to rely on volume sales, selling at low prices... I just don't think they have considered the market very well

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The question is... How many will Return or complain.

At the early stages very few.... who's gonna admit they bought a lemon. They will put up with it, repair it upgrade it......... but eventually the truth will come out

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I know im taking a risk. But... I dont give a S$#5T.

As long as you know it..... that's all that matters .......... hell I could even be wrong

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But ofcourse... keep on going.. ignore what I said here.
The debate will rage
06-15-2006 Over year old.
 
 
pauchelle
Senior Heliman
Location: West Palm Beach, FL

One reason Align is getting criticise is bcoz, they are popular.

I mean... wow Cheap trex450? Can do tictoc? Abusive 3D? its so popular, it even sold to non heli pilot.

Bcoz of that... those Amateur pilot felt confident and ofcourse... they have Funds.. So they will Buy the Bigger heli. like trex600.

How Many 50 Size E heli out here cost less than $700?

Plus... YES Align is New for Heli making.

Do you see Hirobo 50 size E heli? selling for $620? lol?

If they do... you know ill be first in line to Buy those.


BUT AS far as we know. only Align Makes Cheaper 50 size E heli.

I consider myself Amateur in terms of Heli terms. But ALL I know is.

I want bigger heli that Fly. That can do 3D. and.. can be abused! and Its CHEAP.

YEah the battery is COSTLY. but... It will go down.


Hirobo = Lexus
Raptor = Acura
Align Trex600 = Hyundai. hyundai is cheap... but they have luxury, DVD nav. voice activated seat. 100,000 miles warranty??

I havent seen an actual trex600 Fly. I only see them in Videos.
But some of my friends who saw it in California. Their just speechless... All they said is " Get One " youll love it.

Flight time sucks though.



If Walkera makes a 50 size E heli. Thats a health hazard right there. Walkera is the High end of all crappy Heli.. And I know for sure i wont even go there.
06-15-2006 Over year old.
 
 
kookboy
Key Veteran
Location: Vancouver, BC -up north and Seattle, WA down south

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Theres nothing wrong on flying 50 size E heli, infront of your house.

AS long as you know theres no kids by stander, homeless guy wathching.


Ever watch in person a 600mm blade snap at the root and go flying through a window in your house ?

The force at which that blade travels at is similar to a bullet and the impact is just as bad.

Anything large than a micro within the vicinity of a street, house, people, vehicles or general public is a major safety issue.

The guy that hovers the 60 a few doors down on the street has been flying longer than I've lived.

He's already had one glitch that sent a Raptor 50 into our neighbour's car, totalling the thing which involved two insurance companies.

This thing is huge and not meant to fly where MOST people of the general public fly their Trex 450's and micro's.

It's as simple as that.

Do people always listen to warranted advice ? Hell no.

Thus, the danger is there and will be there.

Hopefully, we don't hear anything.

... But honey it was only $$$
06-15-2006 Over year old.
 
 
H0ndaJunkie
Senior Heliman
Location: Bowling Green, Kentucky - USA

All of the people who are against the 600 just because it's a "dangerous" 50 size heli, should go and setup a "Why you shouldn't buy a raptor 50" thread in the Thunder Tiger Forum.

I wonder how well that would go down.
06-15-2006 Over year old.
 
 
pauchelle
Senior Heliman
Location: West Palm Beach, FL

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common sense is to fly at an apporved club and site and then you are covered, without that it will only be be a matter of time before it is banned just like skateboarding(and they only have rolling wheels not spinning blades



Right place? AMA clubs here are pack. I mean theres always expectators watching. What will happen if the Blade snap? same thing...

Accident do happen.


Like I said. It all depends.
Well, as far as I know of... Heli hobbiest mostly have professionalism, Money, skills. Any uneducated person can skateboard
properly.

Do you see uneducated homeless guy buying a 50 size E heli?

I mean common.. dont compare skateboarders to Heli flyers.

Most of us here buy Heli. We all know WE need Finances for this.

So we assume most of us have good Monetary income AT least to support this crazy hobbby.

THIS is LIKE NRA. NRA???? look at them... But..

everyone have their own mindset.

Which type are you?





Like I said. It all depends.
06-15-2006 Over year old.
 
 
rfaster
Senior Heliman
Location: San Jose, CA

Interesting Poll - How many Align Customers = AMA

I would bet that less than 1/2 of the 600's sold will ever see a AMA sanctioned field. Would be an interesting poll to see how many 450's ever made it to a club.
06-15-2006 Over year old.
 
 
pauchelle
Senior Heliman
Location: West Palm Beach, FL

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Interesting Poll - How many Align Customers = AMA

I would bet that less than 1/2 of the 600's sold will ever see a AMA sanctioned field. Would be an interesting poll to see how many 450's ever made it to a club.


I Fly at AMA sites. But im not a AMA member. Why? are there any AMA security guards to ask me??? No!

Why?

Becoz I go there with a $2000 MZ Radio with the Small Trex450 And Act like im a 10 year Veteran RC pilot. Appearance is all Phsycological.



Well as far as I know. My front garage is my own territory. Depends how big is your front home is.
06-15-2006 Over year old.
 
 
KevinR
Veteran
Location: Vancouver, BC Canada

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Why? Most of us know what a 50-sized heli is and what it is capable of. This doesn't ring true with an individual flyer who is new to the hobby and only owns a Trex 450. Like I've said already, I personally know many adults whom are new to the hobby and pre-purchased the Rex600 with the belief that it is just like their little 450 with the only difference of it being slightly larger. And yes, they will fly it in their backyards and in the small schoolyards.


So all the people that moved up to a Swift from their Hummingbird fly in small areas too?

Hopefully when people get these things and spin them up for the first time common sense will kick in. If not, the Darwin Awards will be busy
06-15-2006 Over year old.
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kookboy
Key Veteran
Location: Vancouver, BC -up north and Seattle, WA down south

I know quite a few people who are above 30+ age, have families, good paying careers and just got into the hobby with either the Trex450 or a Walkera from ebay.

These guys do have common-sense but have never seen the Trex 600 in person. They were pulled in by the advertising.

That is why they are buying it.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a large 50-size Trex. I think it's great.

The fact of the matter stands, that there are people with none to limited RC heli experience who do not know about RC forums and will just fly it where they think is safe.

For many, that includes spooling up to see what it looks like, in their backyard, driveway or local park. With or without people around, this will be dangerous and there is no reason why they should not listen and take my advice. However, most of them will not because they are 'grown men' and know 'how to fly' because we all do. Or at least that is what we say.

There are a lot of guys who bought this who don't realize the size and power of it until they see it in person.

I'm sure there's going to be quite a few people spooling it up for the 1st time with a bunch of people around saying "look at my new toy".

If any of you do not think that I am right, then call me a liar.

... But honey it was only $$$
06-15-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Gazzer
Veteran
Location: Hope Valley, UK

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One reason Align is getting criticise is bcoz, they are popular.
Would not argue but we need to understand why they are popular..... they came our with a product that fitted in with market demand.... a small e-heli that could actually fly & 3D.

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I mean... wow Cheap trex450? Can do tictoc? Abusive 3D? its so popular, it even sold to non heli pilot.
I think a few here would argue the cheap part. Cheap to buy initially yes, but to get it flying decent and keep it that way is NOT cheap! I certainly know that I have spent far more money on my Trex than I have on my Rap 50.

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Do you see Hirobo 50 size E heli? selling for $620? lol?

If they do... you know ill be first in line to Buy those.


Yes your right but......... when you factor in the cost of all the gear you are going to need to get in the air, the actual cost of the heli is not so critical. Your going to need to lay down another US$1000+ probably more on top of the price of the heli....then if you possibly think that the Trex600 would need to upgraded to give it the quality/performance of a more expensive heli.......
06-15-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Gazzer
Veteran
Location: Hope Valley, UK

With regards the safety arguements being posted here. Frankly I don't buy it that the Trex 600 is going to be any bigger safety hazzard than any other big e-heli, or indeed that 600 owners are going to be any less responsible. I do believe there will be many cases of guys flying 450's and upgrading to 600's who have not stopped to think about it carefully. Like where am I going to fly this thing Once the've spent a serious amount of $$$$$ they are going to be stuck with a heli that needs serious space to fly in.
06-15-2006 Over year old.
 
 
kookboy
Key Veteran
Location: Vancouver, BC -up north and Seattle, WA down south

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Frankly I don't buy it that the Trex 600 is going to be any bigger safety hazzard than any other big e-heli, or indeed that 600 owners are going to be any less responsible.


It's the fact that it does pose more of a safety hazzard than a little Trex 450 or a micro heli would (which is my point).


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I do believe there will be many cases of guys flying 450's and upgrading to 600's who have not stopped to think about it carefully. Like where am I going to fly this thing Once the've spent a serious amount of $$$$$ they are going to be stuck with a heli that needs serious space to fly in.


Exactly.

... But honey it was only $$$
06-15-2006 Over year old.
 
 
steph280
Key Veteran
Location: Irvine, California

Mine came in yesterday.


As for the safety question raised in above posts, since when is this a new issue? I've seen way too many people buying 60 size glow helis as first encounter with RC, even when the box/manual has warning label that says "this is not a toy." The lucky ones ended up not be able to get it off the ground. The unlucky ones lose a finger or other bodily part during the process.

I am sure you've seen 10 years old out on the field day after Xmas trying to fly a plane/heli he got for present, and ended up crashing or worse hurting himself/somebody. Or the rich criminal who thinks he's a race car driver and wreck a 1 million bucks Ferrari Enzo on highway, or that bozo who thinks he can fly a full scale Hughes 300 without any training and ended up crashing (I need to find that video again).

There are stupid people with money to blow. It's not the toy we play with that are dangerous, but rather the people playing with them.
06-15-2006 Over year old.
 
 
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