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e-Align T-REX 450-500-600 > Whos gettin the 600?
 
 
clive45
Veteran
Location: NSW Australia

Its not buying it thats expensive its running it
06-08-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Dodgey
Heliman
Location: Peckham! London

Reading all this has made me smile soo much :-) What a great thread. I'd like to dispell a few myths...at least from my experience (and I'm a crap pilot hence all my crashes!).

"Crashing a 600 heli is gonna cost you $$$" - partially true - the big cost is the blades. Usually about £60. I've piled my Logo 20 into the ground big time and the most I've spent is £150 (that was full speed inverted into the ground). And Logo parts are not cheap.

Additionally - I've spent nothing on upgrading my larger helis like my Logo 20, or replacing unusual parts after a crash- mainly because larger helis have large parts which are much more robust (and less fiddly), and because when you crash you usually break the usual suspects - shafts, flybar, boom, blades. I don't see other odd bits breaking.

I've spend far, far more money on my micros - upgrading weak parts, replacing frames, upgrading again and again. With my larger helis the big spend is the purchase and that seems to be it. The Rex 600 looks like extraordinary value bearing in mind you are getting heli motor and esc for very little $$$ - way less than half my logo 20 cost.

"crashing those big lipo packs is gonna cost you $$$" - well I've crashed my Logo 20 4 times (all big crashes) and my micros many times, and my Eolo many times (3s4p). Never damaged a pack. On my Logo when I crash, my 2 (very big) 4s4p packs tend to fly off the body, disconnecting them selves through force. Unless they are mounted in a very vulnerable way they seem to be quite safe.

And all this talk about 6s not coping. I've seen the lepton video, and is it just me, or is everyone else a top 3D pilot? I for one will be delighted with the performance I saw on 6s (Edit - 3S on the Lepton!)- mainly due to the low pack cost.

My feelings:

T-Rex 600 - looks like great value indeed! Buyt I will be waiting for the 2nd or 3rd revision - already having a 50 class electric makes this an easy wait.

Lepton - Looks like a super relapcement for my fragile and fussy Eolo. Great size for people like me who need to fly in public places and anything bigger causes too much attention.

TT Raptor V2 - very interested to see how it compares price wise to an e-raptor conversion. The killer deal will be it's 6s performance as the e-raptor conversion seems to need 10 to 12s whcih bumps the cost right up.

Anyhows - I'm sure lots of people have different experiences to mine and will tell me how they smoked 500$ of cells on a hard landing, but I've been Ok so far.
06-08-2006 Over year old.
 
 
H0ndaJunkie
Senior Heliman
Location: Bowling Green, Kentucky - USA

I agree with you on 99.9% of your points there Dodgey!

The only thing I don't agree with is waiting for a later revision of the 600......mine's on order now. But that's entirely up to you, and I understand why you'd do that.
06-08-2006 Over year old.
 
 
BoneDoc
Senior Heliman
Location: San Antonio, TX

I just saw the Lepton video on 3S. I frankly don't get how the same people who said Lepton ROCKS on 3S will with the same breath say that TRex 600 is underpowered on 6S. They look to be comparable. Yes the Szabos and Krause have better collective management, but when you're doing 3D, collective management will only get you so far.

**If you ain't crashing, you ain't flying hard enough**
06-08-2006 Over year old.
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H0ndaJunkie
Senior Heliman
Location: Bowling Green, Kentucky - USA

I know......did you see the tail on that lepton flapping all over the place. Not that I'm a great pilot myself, but that was some really sloppy looking flying.

I wasn't impressed by the lepton video at all. It looks floppy and subdued compared to the average 450XL.
06-08-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Dodgey
Heliman
Location: Peckham! London

But it is running on the same voltage and it's over twice the size (from what I can see)...
06-08-2006 Over year old.
 
 
KevinR
Veteran
Location: Vancouver, BC Canada

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But it is running on the same voltage and it's over twice the size (from what I can see)...


425mm blades are twice the size of 325mm blades
I think somebody posted that it's actually 30% bigger than a T-Rex.
06-08-2006 Over year old.
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pauchelle
Senior Heliman
Location: West Palm Beach, FL

Any picture of Hirobo Lepton side by side with Trex 450se?

or Lepton side by side with Trex600?
06-08-2006 Over year old.
 
 
heliboy2003
Senior Heliman
Location: heli

Hehe, I've spent far more money on my MicroHeli than my Fury Extreme, since Fury Extreme doesn't need any upgrade to fly good and I haven't crashed it after more than 400 tanks.

I do perform aggressive 3D manuveur with my Fury Extreme.

Regarding the crash cost, it has been argued numerous time before, but I will say it depends on your flying style and luck.
06-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
BoneDoc
Senior Heliman
Location: San Antonio, TX

The lepton will feel and look considerably bigger than the TRex. I have a Voyager and it feels pretty much the same way.

... back to our regularly scheduled programing .

**If you ain't crashing, you ain't flying hard enough**
06-09-2006 Over year old.
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OICU812
rrProfessor
Location: Resources Capitol, Canada

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Then, I am puzzled at what the "Wow" factor of a new 50 size eHeli is?


The wow factor is the ability to take it higher and try what a move that on a small t-rex is that much less forgiving. Simple pyshics teach us that a bigger disc is a more stable platform, thats heli 101. Having a more stable and more visible machine will progress your flying 10 fold. If I had stayed with micros from the beggning and never gotten a bigger heli I likely would be held back a ton, in fact let me re-phrase that I know I would be held back a ton! Progress was huge, and even now before I ever get into doing something new and big I always do it on my 50 or up, beleive me it is a wow factor and the power to weight ratio on a good 50 electric is ever bit as amazing as a t-rex and that much more, I know this to be fact as I have had that journey and still do, cheers.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
06-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
heliboy2003
Senior Heliman
Location: heli

Correct, but you can do all those manuveurs on Logo, eRaptor50...there have been several 50 size eHeli long before TRex600 comes out.

Say next month you see a guy doing a funnel with a TRex600, will that give you a "Wow" same as that when you saw a little TRex400 did couple of months ago? Will you will say "Yeah, I have seen many times people did this with Logo, eRaptor..., this is supposed to be a standard manuveur that a typical 50 size heli should do". No surprise at all.
06-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
OICU812
rrProfessor
Location: Resources Capitol, Canada

Oh I agree in that respect, the new 600 rex does not offer me any new wow factor at all. As I have said more than a few times, for the average stick banger out there I think the 600 is going to have to be 10S, plain n simple imho. I would have to say I think a smarter strategy would have been to attack the 30 sized Logo 10 and Swift class with driven tail as that simply does not exist, imho that would have been a good move. Now Hirobo is going to move in there not quite 30ish but, bigger than rex with driven tail as well. Oh well all good I guess, more options out there is nice no matter how you look at it.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
06-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
clive45
Veteran
Location: NSW Australia

Don't forget the all metal EP8V2 at a very good price
06-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Dodgey
Heliman
Location: Peckham! London

Regarding me saying the Lepton was approx "twice the size" of the Trex wasn't a techincal comparison, more a visual one (based on the canopy etc). I know the blades sized are not much different. It's kind of like my Eolo - I "consider" that to be about 2 times bigger than my Trex even though it's only a slightly larger rotor span. It just looks about twice as big to me in the sky. Just a rough "feeling".

I think the "wow factor" regarding the 450 is more based on people being suprised what it is capable of for such a small heli in terms of 3D. The wow factor on 50 calss helis is much more based on pure size, rotor sound and generally the sheer scale of what you are now dealing with.

I still get the wow feeling every time I spin up my Logo 20. I don't get that with my micros. I guess, for me, the larger ones are like "real" helis and the smaller ones more toy like. And I definately fly much much better on my larger helis as they are far easier to control and see.

As for "stick bangers" flying 10s - I don't doubt it. But surely I'm not the only non stick banger? Can everyone fly 3D (and want to) and I'm just odd?
06-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
H0ndaJunkie
Senior Heliman
Location: Bowling Green, Kentucky - USA

That's the biggest thing that gets me about this thread....

I'm not aiming this at any one person......this is not directly in reply to any specific thing said, but I don't think that we should be arguing about whether or not people should buy a 50 size electric helicopter. I know that wasn't the reason for starting the thread, but that's what it turned into. People have been flying 50 or larger size electric helis for quite a while now. If they want a 50 size electric, they're gonna have to be prepared to shell out the necessary cash, because the batteries aren't cheap (as we all know).

Because it isn't cheap, I really have a hard time imagining some ignorant schmuck picking up a 600 from their LHS and expecting it to fly like their 450. If anyone has the $1500-$2000 to spend on a complete 600 setup with a couple of batteries, I would like to assume that they know what they're doing, and have made an informed decision.

Isn't it more appropriate that we discuss the comparisons between the available, or up-and-comming 50 size electric helis, instead of bashing on people who want the 600 because it's a 50 size electric?

We've established all that.....they're expensive, and dangerous, and 6S won't be powerful enough (which I don't beleive)...blah blah blah.

Tell people why the eraptor 50, or the lepton is better than the 600....that's fine, but don't tell people they're stupid for wanting one, just because they want a 50 size electric. That just sounds like jealousy to me.

Anyone who has flown a 600 has every right to talk about it in any way they please.......but I haven't flown one, have you?
06-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
GScott
Key Veteran
Location: Lewis Center, OH

I can give you one big reason why the new E-Raptor and Lepton are better than the 600. The battery tray. The 600 looks likes an enlarged 450. In both the battery is placed up front with no protection. On both the Lepton and E-Raptor the battery is placed between the frames. This gives that $250+ lipo much more protection. I have had 2 bad crashes with my T-Rex and both of them destroyed the lipo and in both cases the battery would have survived had it had some protection.
06-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
H0ndaJunkie
Senior Heliman
Location: Bowling Green, Kentucky - USA

Good point
06-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
heliboy2003
Senior Heliman
Location: heli

Align claimed that they have done many crash tests and with their patented frame design, not a single dent was generated from the crashes. I don't know how many people believe this!
06-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Dodgey
Heliman
Location: Peckham! London

I have to say , I'm still kind of bemused by the tales of battery damage woes. I've never suffered one, but then I fly very gently in comparison to what everyone else seemingly does. Saying that, I have driven my helis as hard into the ground as is surely possible. Hard enough that I had to re evaluate my safetly procedures as far as friends standing behind me goes. Lots of carbon, lead weighted blades flying everywhere.

Perhaps we should look at things from two perspectives - hard flyers and gentle flyers - or maybe those that fly above a hard surface (baked ground, tarmac - or soft grass). As most of my fellow Brits will testify, we usually have soft (read "rained on almost constantly" ground.
06-11-2006 Over year old.
 
 
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