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e-Align T-REX 250-450-500-600 > Whos gettin the 600?
 
 
Paul Beard
Senior Heliman
Location: San Jose CA

Ray,
Where did you get the FullyMax pack from?
Paul
07-04-2006 Over year old.
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steph280
Key Veteran
Location: Irvine, California

The Align 6s2p 4200mah packs are made with the exact same cells as TP prolites.

tcast305: Thanks for the explanation. I could easily fly another 2 minutes and pack will still maintain 20-30% capacity. 2700mah out of 4200mah pack is just past half of its capacity. I am only on the 5th flight with this pack and I don't plan to drain it past 60% just yet. After it's broken in 8 minutes is perfectly fine.
07-05-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Coolpowered
Key Veteran
Location: Youngstown, ohio

I will stick to my 50 and 60 nitros for now until, the battery technology catches up for the battiers, as I see it I would need at least 7 or 8 packs for 2000 bucks or more to be able to fly as much as I want at the field, and thats not including all the chargers at the field either, I might be wrong but are'nt all the bigger rated chargers single charge units?
I have a couple of trexes with 6 batteries with a poly 4 charger that enables me to fly constantly.
So I rather wipe off the fuel of my helis for now, but this is only my opinion, by the way im talking about all larger electrics, not just the trex.

YRCHA CLUB MEMBER
07-05-2006 Over year old.
 
 
steph280
Key Veteran
Location: Irvine, California

Yes please stick with your Coolpower and stay in the glow forum. You hop around T-Rex 600 threads telling people batteries will cost them $1000 in another thread, and now $2000 in this thread. why don't you get your facts straight before posting your "news" from years ago? Everybody here is smart enough to know what they are getting into, and most are converts from slimy glow helis (me included). Modern lipos can be charged at 2C (8 amps for the 4000mah prolites) which means 20 minutes charges are reality.

FYI if you have flown a 50 size electric heli like T-Rex 600 or Raptor conversion, you will know these helis will beat 50-60-90 glows in performance. My buddy Dan who does insane 3D says his 90 size Freya is slower through manuevers when compared to his Raptor conversion. And he really toss that Raptor around like it's a scalded cat.

T-Rex 450 are nice and fun, but don't think all electric helis are like that.
07-05-2006 Over year old.
 
 
kookboy
Key Veteran
Location: Vancouver, BC -up north and Seattle, WA down south

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And he really toss that Raptor around like it's a scalded cat.




... But honey it was only $$$
07-05-2006 Over year old.
 
 
The_Dave
Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

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I watched AJ fly Danny's 600 yesterday and I can tell you that lack of power is not even something to talk about. These machines have more power than you could imagine. The only limitation is the 6 minute filghts...however, I am sure that 10 minutes is just around the corner.

I too am sick of cleaning helicopters...this is the way to go and I am sure they will only get better as time moves on.

Mark McAlpine - 2005 - We will never forget.
07-05-2006 Over year old.
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steph280
Key Veteran
Location: Irvine, California

8-10 minutes certainly is possible now. Just gang up another parallel pack (6s3p or 10s3p). It's like adding a larger fuel tank.
07-05-2006 Over year old.
 
 
nescubaman
Senior Heliman
Location: Chino Hills, CA

Do you have any idea what a practical battery weight is? 4 Apex packs is already getting up there

Where did that heli come from? amm..I made it out of spare parts honey!
~* OCHC *~
07-05-2006 Over year old.
 
 
steph280
Key Veteran
Location: Irvine, California

I used to fly my Raptor conversion on 24 cells sub-C nicd, and then "upgraded" to 8s4p lipo. 6s3p is NOTHING!
07-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Ray Nemovi
Veteran
Location: SAN DIEGO CA

I agree as well. the power is not a issue at all. the charge time is not a issue either. I flew about 5 flights tuesday and in about 3.5 hours time. the guys at the field flew 4 times with their nitro 50's. I only have 2 packs.
this heli does fly better than any 50 heli out there and obviously thats not my comment only. the only difference with this and 90 machine is its light so it does not penetrate through the sky like a 90 but its faster and way more predictable

Hi Paul, haven't heard from you for a while but I sent you a pm.

Ray N.
07-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Paul Beard
Senior Heliman
Location: San Jose CA

Thanks Ray, got it.

I've been using 2 X TP4200 3S2P packs. They take a couple of cycles to balance out.

They get up to 135F, 45 above ambient.

I replaced the paddles with VPaddles. The stock paddles seemed to 'flutter' sometimes. I also replaced the stock tail linkage with an old MA tail rod that I cut down.

So far I am very happy with this bird. The 3D-MPs are getting dusty.

Paul
07-06-2006 Over year old.
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Coolpowered
Key Veteran
Location: Youngstown, ohio

Steph280, I( never said that the nitros had more power, just trying to inform a lot of these newbies what they are getting into, money wise, and if you read my post closely, I had the difference in price on how you say you fly all day long compared to what others will probally have in there, by the way I been helping out people here for years on this sight, you can just check my posts over the years. Not to get smart with you because i usally try not to agure on forums because its just a waste of time, but you did say you can fly all day long with no problems on the batteries that you have, just how many do you have? and maybe when you guys say fly all day long you mean maybe 4 flights or so, otherwise you will have to about 7 or 8 batteries, to do that, please correct me if I am wrong but even at 10 minutes a flight you will easily dicharge 4 or even 5 packs a hour, which means you will be down for a while recharging, and you better be able to charge multiple packs at a time. Like I said please correct any thing that I said that is wrong here. Even with my t rex and 4 or 5 batteries and a poly 4 charger I have to wait around for the batteries to recharge.

YRCHA CLUB MEMBER
07-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
kookboy
Key Veteran
Location: Vancouver, BC -up north and Seattle, WA down south

I have moli cell packs that I run on my E-Raptor 50 conversion with 600mm blades.

I charge each pack in 18 minutes.

I have 4 packs.

I go to the field with all 4 charged up.

After I fly the 1st one, I put it on the charger.

I fly the second one.

Then I fly the 3rd one. *by this time the 1st pack is done.

Then I charge the second one.

Now I fly the 4th one.

Then I fly the 1st one. *by this time the 2nd pack is done.

Then I fly the second one ...

... and repeat until my fingers are falling off.

Flying all day long.

How much does it cost me ?

Four 12 cells moli packs cost me just under $630 (7 x 90)

One TP1010 charger and a TP210 balancer $259

Total inital and future operating cost to fly all day long :

$889

* a 12S1P moli pack is the equivalent of a 10S2P TP prolite 4200

It would be even cheaper to substitute the 6S2P 4200 that is currently the market lipo for the Rex600's.

So go fly 'em guys.

... But honey it was only $$$
07-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
SBK
Veteran
Location: NE Ohio

I remember there were posts in LogoManiac heli forums about the cost of electrics compared to nitor heli's.

Initial investment is much higher with the batteries, but over the life-time of the battteries (200-300+ cycles?), the cost was not more than the fuel cost of the nitor over the same numbers of flights.

That calculation was done about one year ago. With the price of batteries coming down, the life-time cost of the batteries may be less compared to the fuel cost.

I usually fly for an hour or so after work if I come home early. I would just pick up my heli's and batteries and go flying without having to deal with wet fuels or cleaning up aftwards. I don't even carry the charger to the field. Once I come home, I put these batteries to charge in the evening and I am ready to go next day or next opportunity.

To me, it is the convenience, cleaness and low noise factors that attrack me to the electrics.

I am sure there are others who like to tinker with the nitro engines, like its smell, smokes and noises, etc. The cost may not even a factor if you like these aspects of the nitro engines.

So, each to his tastes. Cost is less and less of a factor as battery technology and sells improves.
07-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Ray Nemovi
Veteran
Location: SAN DIEGO CA

I must day coolpowered,

I have to agree that the electrics overall it becoming a better choice in the hobby. I just got my trex 600 and before I was pro nitro I will still fly a 90 nitro over the electrics because they perform better. but i would not fly another 50 machine unless its electric. My 600 puts any 50 i've owned to shame. I could say if I spend a day flying (8 hours) I can get about 10 flights with my 2 packs. that is 500 dollars worth of batteries and i have 2 chargers. Yes the initial cost is more but its cleaner, no tuning, no starter, etc, etc. Mainly the oil and fuel does not beat on the heli at all. I can say this in confidence because I just got into this bigger electrics and I can relate to both sides. all my good friends that fly the 600 have said the same thing.

Ray N.
07-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Cabbageman
Heliman
Location: LOL!

I would never get the 600. "You will shoot your eye out kids"

Seriously Align stinks compared to mikado. Its a big WASTE.
07-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
steph280
Key Veteran
Location: Irvine, California

dude have you even seen a T-Rex 600? Just because you've seen the 450 makes you an expert on the 600?

Sure Mikados are nice, but you are paying a premium for them. I had a few Logos and I was almost afraid to fly them due to the crash costs. Remember now if we're comparing apple to apple, you'd be comparing a Bionic with the 600, not a $200 plastic Logo 10. T-Rex 600 parts prices are comparable to that of T-Rex 450, have you calculated how much it would be to repair a Bionic after a crash? And so far I am thoroughly impressed with the quality of 600.
07-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Cabbageman
Heliman
Location: LOL!

LOL well since you calling me an expert, perhaps I am. Mikado has reduced their prices. Logo 10 is way better deal. Its plastic parts are better than aligns metal garbage. I rather be afraid of crashing then be afraid of loosing my eye to some crappy rotor head. Everyone said the 450se was good then I got it and the tail rotor broke and hit my on my forehead. I would rather get lepton too. The 600 is a time bomb waiting to explode right in a poor persons face.

LOL to all the align payed spies who say its so great. Spies I tell you!
07-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
wedge
Elite Veteran
Location: Victoria BC, Canada

Hey, Cabbageman

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Logo 10 is way better deal. Its plastic parts are better than aligns metal garbage. I rather be afraid of crashing then be afraid of loosing my eye to some crappy rotor head. Everyone said the 450se was good then I got it and the tail rotor broke and hit my on my forehead. I would rather get lepton too. The 600 is a time bomb waiting to explode right in a poor persons face.


Do you have any experience with the Trex 600, I think not. If not you really have no leg to stand on. And for the Trex 450 why did yours break? I ve never had any trouble with mine and love it.

Victoria BC, Canada, Century Swift,Trex SA 450, Hummingbird V3.
07-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Cabbageman
Heliman
Location: LOL!

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And for the Trex 450 why did yours break?



LOL where have you been?? Basically it broke because the stupid hub failed on the first flight. WAGAWOO.

Im just trying to warn people who have not baught anything yet to stay away from align until all the future problems with it are resolved. I mean why would you get one with all the proven models out there, especially when you consider that you are paying so much for electronics.

I dont want to read, rotor head blew up and hit me in the leg.
07-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
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