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Bergen R/C Helicopters > tail servo throw question
 
 
larry1
Senior Heliman
Location: clinton twp. mi

hello my bergen friends.

i have a quick question and hope you can help.

I put a different servo arm on my tail servo because the throw was way to short. Now, due to the fact that there is more throw i have to turn the limit down.

My question is,in order to prevent it from binding can i just turn my epa down in the transmitter, or should i strictly do it with the limit on the gyro? is there such thing as the limit being to low on the gyro if i keep my epa at 100% in the transmitter?

The reason why i put a longer servo arm in the first place is because when i give it full collective, the tail cocks about 45 degrees in it takes off straight up.

am i approaching solving the tail kick the correct way

thanks in advance

oh, its a 401 gyro.

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05-26-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Autoeject
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Location: Ashtabula, OH, USA

What servo are you using with the 401?

Mark Webber
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Outrage Helicopters
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larry1
Senior Heliman
Location: clinton twp. mi

tail servo is a hitec 5925MG

oh and it is a bergen intrepid gas heli

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05-26-2006 Over year old.
 
 
larry1
Senior Heliman
Location: clinton twp. mi

ttt

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Autoeject
Key Veteran
Location: Ashtabula, OH, USA

With a highspeed like that on it Larry, I wonder what's going on there. Even when my gyro (401) wasn't performing well due to my setup, I still didn't need much throw to correct the torque induced yaw. Heck, when I first started flying my EB, I had to put a bit of exponential on the tail because it was more lively than my nerves could take.
I'm certianly no one to give advice on gyro setup but for what it's worth, I started with the gyro travel adjustment and then had to put in just a bit on the radio to eliminate binding. It seems to be working reasonably well.
You might concider posting this in the Radio, Gyro, Servo forum. Wish I could be more help.

Mark Webber
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Outrage Helicopters
05-27-2006 Over year old.
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larry1
Senior Heliman
Location: clinton twp. mi

Well I just got back from the field after some testing.

I turned my epa on radio down to about 45% to eliminate binding and found the tail was very slow.

Tomorrow i am going to turn the epa back to 100% and limit the binding with the travel limit on the gyro.

What is considered to low of a setting on the gyro????

larry

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v22chap
Senior Heliman
Location: Howe, Indiana

Larry 1
Here is a thread by Chris Bergen on how to setup the 401 gyro and it works really good . Hope this helps your problem.


http://runryder.com/helicopter/t200069p1/

Larry C ----------Bergen R/C helicopters
05-27-2006 Over year old.
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Intrepid175
Heliman
Location: Texas City, TX

Hi Larry,

If you're binding the tail control linkage at the extemes, you have to turn it down on the gyro. Turning down the EPA's in the transmitter won't do anything with the 401 gyro.

You may need to play around with the centering of the tail pitch linkages so that you get maximum possible tail pitch in both directions. Since the 401 only has a single adjustment pot, that means when you turn it down for one direction, you're also turning it down for the other. Once you get the linkages centered correctly, and the length of the servo arm right, you should be able to come pretty close to maxing out the tail pitch in both directions. You'll probably have to compromise a little. I like to do it in the direction that turning the fuse "with" torque. That is, make sure you're getting everything you can in the pitch direction that turns the nose of the model "against" the main rotors torque reaction. If you're not quite getting full pitch the other way, it's not a big a deal because the torque is helping you turn that way, anyway.

From reading your description, I'm thinking that you may have had the servo arm short enough that it was limiting the models tail authority. If that's true, the gyro might not have been able to compensate. With the longer servo arm, you probably are over driving the linkage a bit. I like to keep the gyro's end point adjustment pot in the upper 50%. If you're dropping below that then you'll need to shorten the servo arm a little. It can take a bit of futzing around with to get it right but the effort will be well worth it.

As for the gyro itself, once you get all this setup, the gyro will control the tail servo. By that I mean, if you hold the tail control over, just a little, the model will do a slow pirouette and it will maintain that pirouette rate regardless of what the wind is doing to the machine. You just hold the stick and it does the work of compensating for wind effects. It's really nice once you get used to it. As for the tranmitter EPA's, they control how sensitive the tail control is. The gyro doesn't know the difference between setting your EPA's at 100% and you holding the stick half way over or the EPA's set at 50% and you holding the stick all the way over. Most setups I've flown could be a little touchy with the tail control EPA's set at 100% in the transmitter. Try bringing them down to 80% on both sides and see what you think. You might wind up perferring 100% but you can play around with it and decide for yourself which you prefer and changing the numbers in the transmitter only takes a few seconds.

Sorry for getting a little long winded. Hope all of this makes sense.

Fly Safe,
Steve R.

PS: Oops, should have read it all. I missed the link for Chris' 401 setup directions. Looks real good to me!
06-03-2006 Over year old.
 
 
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