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Aerobatic 3D Contest > Pirouetting Flips???
 
 
closell
Heliman
Location: Duboistown Pa

How do you do one? Lately I've been watching some of the 3D videos so I could learn how to do this maneuver, but everything happens so fast, I can't quite understand exactly whats happening. Could someone please describe in detail how to do these.

Thank you,

Chad
01-10-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Augusto
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Location: San Diego, CA

See why I wanted an aerobatics forum?

Excellent post Martin.
I agree with Martin, the only difference is that I look at the tail and I also start it with a right forward elevator motion when the tail is facing me that becomes a clockwise stirring motion. The reason I do that is that I want the helicopter to enter the maneuver going away from me instead of towards me.

The issue that confused me initially was that looking at the tail or nose when it faces me is good but it reverses when the heli goes inverted. So you have to keep in mind that when inverted, to keep fliping the disc in the same direction, you need to either wait for the tail or nose to be away from you and start the inverted part of the maneuver the same way or wait for the tail or nose to be facing you and start the maneuver pulling instead of pushing th elevator.

This all works when you're doing piroueting flips that are and look in reality like a succesion of half piroueting flips. For continuous ones you need to keep your eyes on that tail/nose and constantly make timing adjustments.

A problem that sometimes happens when you're doing continuous piro flips is that when missing a beat you might end up flipping along a vertical axis sort of like doing a piroueting death spiral.
Don't panic just slow down the "stirring rate" until you see it come back to horizontal discs and then resume the stirring rate. Trust me this trick is worth its weight in crash gold

If you're trying this on a simulator make this adjustment:
Edit the heli and go to the tail rotor. Change from say 10.5 inches to 11.5 inches in diameter. You might have to lower the gain of the gyro so the tail won't "hunt" and adjust the piro rate so that you can initially try it with full rudder deflection (one thin less to worry about). It will give you tail authority to keep a constant piro rate. The same works in real life. As Martin said before a constant rate of piro is a must for this maneuver.

Now can anyone answer my question about the rolling circle?

Avant Aurora Ultimate
01-10-2002 Over year old.
 
 
sluggo
Elite Veteran
Location: Kitchener Ont

Hey ColeopTer I was wondering the same thing about rolling circles. I was G2ing with Pete (panos) one night and he should me how. You should join in some time and check it out. From what I have seen so far you need to start rolling and when you get to the point where you want to start the circle you start to add elevator. The trick is to add the elevator well the heli is knife edge. Now after all of that you have to make sure to add the elevator in the right direction to make the heli go in the direction you want. I have been trying on the sim but I still cant get it down yet.

If anyone has a trick to doing knife edge circles like Curtis!

Chris

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01-10-2002 Over year old.
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sluggo
Elite Veteran
Location: Kitchener Ont

In your video you posted with your fury you where doing half rolling circles weren't you? I do rememeber the piroing loops SWEET!

Chris

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01-10-2002 Over year old.
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Augusto
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Location: San Diego, CA

Yes I was doing rolling circles in the video using the elevator technique. If you read my post I say I do but I don't like them as much as the ones with the tail:

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Originally posted by ColeopTer
What's the trick?

I have tried the elevator only while at the knife points but it looks kinda crooked.

I have tried the tail while the disc is horizontal and it looks better but I have yet to figure out the trick completely.

So far it seems to me that it's sort of like

a) positive pitch and a bit of left rudder then
b) down to the middle of the travel, no rudder and a bit of down elevator then
c) negative pitch and a bit of right rudder and then
d) back to the center on the left stick and a bit of up elevator but this time with a bit of up elevator

It's sort of like going up and down in a slightly diagonal line with the left stick.

Are there other techniques? Is this one a good one? Are there simpler ones?



What I want to know is if there are other techniques or if the tail one is the preferred one for a better looking one or if there's a techniques I don't know about. You see once I find out what the best technique is I want to practice and practce until I do it automatically. I just want to practice the one that's the better technique.

Pete Pano's G2 Fun Flys are the best. He was the one who taught me the technique for slow piro flips on one of his G2 fun flys. I recorded his demo for me and went over it with a microscope over and over until I got it. I've been trying to get home early enough to get into one of his fun flys but so far I haven't had luck.

Avant Aurora Ultimate
01-10-2002 Over year old.
 
 
gyroman
Senior Heliman
Location: Pasadena, CA

I found it very easy to do with a slow piro rate, when I first started, now I tend to go still slow but not too slow, I tried doing a chaos and ended up in death spiral TB was there on the cord with me luckily.
01-11-2002 Over year old.
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closell
Heliman
Location: Duboistown Pa

I'd just like to say thanks to everyone that responded. I expected a few short answers, but you guys really went into detail! I appreciate all the help.

Thanks,

Chad
01-11-2002 Over year old.
 
 
freestyle
Veteran
Location: Redmond WA USA

For constant-piro stuff I just hold "full" rudder - I set my rudder dual rate to low, and low means about 35%, so it's a nice comfortable pirouette rate. This means that (if the gyro is working well), the pirouette rate is as constant as it will ever be. It also means that I effectively have to manage only three controls (collective + cyclis) because the rudder is effectively set-and-forget. Curtis Youngblood gave me the idea at a fun-fly and I found if VERY helpful. He said his plan was to gradually raise his rudder rate until the piro is a blur, but I think I'll pass on that part.
01-12-2002 Over year old.
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Deano
Heliman
Location: Ohio

could one of you experts record this manuever on G2 and upload or email. i'm sure this would help us learn as then we could watch the stick movements at the same time.
02-02-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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