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e-Electric Batteries & Chargers > No voltage cutoff on helis like my Blade CP - Cheap DIY alarm
 
 
smakd_up
Senior Heliman
Location: acworth, ga

That's pretty cool....i'm off to radio shack. gonna make one for my CP. thanks for taking the time to post these schematics.

If at first you don't succeed, lower your standards.
06-18-2006 Over year old.
 
 
robl45
Key Veteran
Location: Deerfield Beach, FL

Well I tried this out tonight, didn't go so well, the lipo alarm never went off and I hit the cutout on the align speed controller. I know its working as I've tested it with a 7.2 volt battery and it lights right up. I also see it blink the led's with the lipo right now when I plug it in and it moves the motor at startup, but no full bright LED's. I'm thinking one of the resistors needs to be larger maybe.
06-19-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Cameron
Veteran
Location: St. Johns, Florida

Does anyone have schematics for a Variable power supply that can be used for testing this alarm?
06-19-2006 Over year old.
 
 
robl45
Key Veteran
Location: Deerfield Beach, FL

I'm thinking I need to build another one with a pot so that I can set it exactly where I need it.
06-19-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Cameron
Veteran
Location: St. Johns, Florida

That is what I am going to do
06-19-2006 Over year old.
 
 
robl45
Key Veteran
Location: Deerfield Beach, FL

I guess what I will do is run a battery flat until I get it close to where I want the voltage to be at the end and then plug in the lipo guard and adjust the pot.
06-19-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Cameron
Veteran
Location: St. Johns, Florida

That sounds good. What pot are you gonna use? The ones a radio that I have seen are huge! I think Im gonna try something like this http://cgi.ebay.com/10x-CTS-357Y-TR...9QQcmdZViewItem
06-20-2006 Over year old.
 
 
robl45
Key Veteran
Location: Deerfield Beach, FL

They have 5K pots at radio shack. That is what I will use if they have it in stock.
06-20-2006 Over year old.
 
 
robl45
Key Veteran
Location: Deerfield Beach, FL

just found out, according to rat shack, the 5Kohm trimmers are discontinued. Will a 1K ohm or 10K ohm work?
06-21-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Cameron
Veteran
Location: St. Johns, Florida

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You should probably use about a 5k linear pot for best results.



I would say at least a 5k ohm would work
06-21-2006 Over year old.
 
 
robl45
Key Veteran
Location: Deerfield Beach, FL

yes I know but they don't sell them at rat shack, can I use the different sizes like 10K or 1K? Its hard to order it online or something when its a 1 dollar part.
06-21-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Cameron
Veteran
Location: St. Johns, Florida

I think anything over 5k would work.
06-21-2006 Over year old.
 
 
robl45
Key Veteran
Location: Deerfield Beach, FL

so a 10K then, I could try that, they are easy to get, can anyone confirm this?
06-21-2006 Over year old.
 
 
efliernz
Senior Heliman
Location: Hamilton, New Zealand

10K is almost too big

and the adjustments become very sensisitive. I use 5K but I am lucky our local store has them.
I make up batches of 5 at a time and hand calibrate them and mark them up with the voltage values (as shown in the photo on page 1) but I have set up a lab at home for calibrated measuring But I am a techie...

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06-28-2006 Over year old.
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robl45
Key Veteran
Location: Deerfield Beach, FL

so 10K will work then? I'm not using this on various battery types. I will just pretty much test it by flying and turning the pot to get it tlight where I want it to.
06-28-2006 Over year old.
 
 
stickyfox
Key Veteran
Location: Troy, NY, US

I came back for a look and it seems like a few people had a problem with it not going off on the heli. I will suggest that you have to set it a bit higher than 9V for it to work properly. 9V is the absolute minimum cutoff at which your heli may decide it's better to fall to the ground than to burn up in the air. The idea of a warning is to be able to land first. My BCP's don't have cutoffs on them so I can get away with setting it low, but I usually fly down to 10.5V.

Also, if you use this monitor remember that your battery voltage will be lowest when you're climbing or maneuvering aggressively. If you hear/see the warning and then bring it in for a landing you may find that it has reset itself. It's not a problem for the battery voltage to momentarily drop below 9V. It's when it's discharged to a no-load voltage below 9V that it may not be able to recharge.

If anybody wasn't able to get theirs working with or without a pot, please PM me (or heck, post it here) and let me know what happened; I'd appreciate it.

-fox
09-27-2006 Over year old.
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robl45
Key Veteran
Location: Deerfield Beach, FL

well I set mine up and tested it witha 7.2 volt car pack I had lying around and it lit my LED's just fine. but when flying, I hit the cutoff on my align esc which is set tot he highest setting before the lights go off. I was gonna rebuild it with a pot but rat shack doesn't have the right size. Any ideas on what to change the resistors to in order to get it to go off higher?
09-28-2006 Over year old.
 
 
robl45
Key Veteran
Location: Deerfield Beach, FL

I haven't seen any action here, can we get the values to make the cutoff higher on the lipo alarm? And if possible radio shack voltages?
10-05-2006 Over year old.
 
 
stickyfox
Key Veteran
Location: Troy, NY, US

Here's a little more technical rundown of how the thing works (I should say, how I intended it to work), and also an explanation of how to pick the right values for R2 and R3. I realize not everyone wants to become an honorary Ph.D. in electronics for the sake of making a buzzer so I will just hit on the practical points. Skip down to the ----- if you don't care how it works and just want the numbers. And since it's 1am here, watch out for mistakes.

Q1 turns the buzzer on by conducting when current is available. When the battery is fully charged, Q2 keeps Q1 turned off by sucking all the available current up. In other words, the buzzer stays off as long as Q2 is saturated.

Q2 can be saturated whenever the voltage at its base exceeds a certain value. This brings us to the heart of the circuit, the voltage divider formed by R2 and R3. Basically, the voltage at the base of Q2 is a fraction of the battery voltage. That fraction is determined by the ratio of R2 and R3 by:

Vout = Vbatt * (R3 / (R2 + R3))

Q2 will suck the voltage down and change Vout (and also introduce some temperature dependency), but because they're fairly large resistances, and because R1 is there to keep current down, total current is pretty low, and there is little or no influence from Q2 on the switchover voltage.

For the transistor I used, a 2N2222, saturation occurs when the base voltage is around 1V. So if we want Q2 to saturate at a particular Vbuzzer, we would use:

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Vsat = Vbuzzer * (R3 / (R2 + R3)) ... where Vsat is 1V

or

Vbuzzer = Vsat * (R2 + R3) / R3

Here is the tricky part, though: Vsat depends on the type of transistor you use, and even varies between manufacturers, so I suggest you breadboard this circuit before building it. If the circuit activates too early (at too high a voltage), make R2 bigger. If it activates too late (too low), make R2 smaller. Don't worry, Vsat won't change after you've assembled the circuit; it just varies from one transistor to the next.

If you want to make this circuit adjustable, substitute a 5k pot for R2, or use a single 5k pot for R2 and R3, with the wiper connected to R1. Be sure to check it periodically because the vibration on the heli may change the pot's resistance.

This circuit is not the most accurate, nor the simplest, way to do this, but what it has going for it is that anyone who tinkers with electronics has the parts lying around. If you don't, you can get them at RS for dirt cheap. I've analyzed the circuit and the error margin is safe enough if you're flying in typical Earth climate zones. If you are flying on the surface of Venus it may not protect your battery.

-fox
10-06-2006 Over year old.
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robl45
Key Veteran
Location: Deerfield Beach, FL

At the beginning of this thread, you said you mess with R3 to control the voltage and here you are saying R2. I'm assuming either one can be changed. Question is, how big is bigger and how small is smaller. So if I have to make r2 smaller as it isn't coming on before the voltage is too low, what value would I need? Rat shack seems to drop to 1K ohm from the 2K ohm. If I make R3 larger, it would be 330ohms. Not knowing electronics, I don't know how much this would mess it up. Also, can I use a 1K or 10K pot instead of 5K as rat shack discontinued the 5K pot.
10-08-2006 Over year old.
 
 
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