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e-Electric General Discussion > Raptor-E 30 & 50 vs LOGO 10 & 20

Glenn Cain
Senior Heliman
Location: Singapore

how is the performance when you pitch the two brands together after converting raptor to electric?
what do you think it will be like as soon as official r50 v2 kit arrive to allow r50-E v2?
is there anything on the downside for raptor-E?
if there are threads that already answer this questions, pls direct them to me.

thanks

11-04-2002 Over year old.

E-gpeden
Senior Heliman
Location: Lake Louise, Alberta, Canada

Hi Glenn,

"how is the performance ..... is there anything on the downside for raptor-E?"

That would be weight, and weight means a lot with electrics. You WERE asking about performance.

I don't think that the Raptor 30 is a good choice for conversion because it will weigh almost as much as the E-Raptor 50, but with a smaller rotor diameter. As you do your research, just for comparison, my "fully upgraded" LOGO 10 weghs about 2480 grams with 13 cells.

Cheers!
Glen

11-04-2002 Over year old.

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Glenn Cain
Senior Heliman
Location: Singapore

ok taking the raptor chassis for a conversion, will it be inferior to logo? and by how much? can it do everything a logo can do?
coz i really like the idea of electric heli but the logo parts and price are off range for me for where i stay and am still a student, not working.
what chassis do you suggest a conversion to be performed??

11-05-2002 Over year old.

E-gpeden
Senior Heliman
Location: Lake Louise, Alberta, Canada

Hi Glenn,

It seems that the Rappy 50 is one of the best candidates for a conversion and there have been recent posts about some that fly very well. However, since it is heavier, it will not fly as well as a LOGO (even if all other things were equal, hehe), which was built as an electric from the ground up. This means that it could be lighter because it did not have to absorb the shock from each stroke of an IC engine.

If you go to the EZone, you would find an interesting thread on this:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...&threadid=64035

http://www.ezonemag.com/

A fellow there is making a simple conversion kit.

Cheers!
Glen

11-05-2002 Over year old.

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tailskid
Heliman
Location: SEATTLE

There is only a few ounces difference between a well converted Rap and a logo. When you can run a head speed of 1900 the difference would be negligible.

11-15-2002 Over year old.

E-gpeden
Senior Heliman
Location: Lake Louise, Alberta, Canada

My first LOGO 20 weighed 3410 grams with 20 cells, including a 120 gram receiver pack and four 43 gram servos.

Actually a few ounces DOES make a big difference with E-Heli performance. If you want to do hovering practice and don't care, for instance, how many times that you can flip it in succession, then don't worry about it. If you think that a 22 cell heli which weighs the same as a 24 cell heli (all other things being equal) will perform the same as the 24 cell heli, I've got some bad news for you

Cheers!
Glen

11-15-2002 Over year old.

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tailskid
Heliman
Location: SEATTLE

I believe we have been here before. I'm not talking about the number of cells here, I'm talking weight. A stock Rap. with 20 cells comes in at about 8 lbs. A diet will put it at 7 lb 10 ounces. Done that! Thats Close to your logo. I have two reviews here that put the logo at around 8 lbs so I don't know why yours is lghter. Actually the weight in the articles were my reference when I converted my Rap.I even have a old article converting a shuttle that came in at 7 3/4 lbs. So you can see it is possible to convert and get close the weight of the logo. You can only save so much weight in a heli, actually the frame is probably the only place. It's just a matter of getting the grinder out. The labor is still cheaper than the parts for the logo. And besides Its just fun to do something different. Your right about the flips though, you can probably do about 40, where I can only do 35!!! Cheers and happy flying.

11-16-2002 Over year old.

panaewapoipound
Heliman
Location: Hilo, Hi.

Hey Guys,
Chiming into this one kinda late and dont know much about e-helis.
I was wondering how the e-raptor 50 and its Logo counterpart compare to demanding 3d maneuvers like tight funnels etc.
Also does that raptor conversion work well with the version 2 kit?
Thanks, Justin

12-07-2002 Over year old.

rscamp
Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

I agree that the Logos are very good helis. I've got one and I love it. But...

I'd have to say that in my limited experience, the difference between true electric helis and electric converions can be quite small provided reasonable guidelines are followed.

A Shuttle would be similar to a Raptor 30 as a conversion candidate. I converted one and it surprises me how similar it is, rather than how different it is from the Logo 20. Sure it would be better with a longer boom and a bigger rotor to reduce disk loading, but man it ain't too shabby with 20 cells and a Tango 45-08.

Would I rather fly the Logo? You bet. The Logo is absolutely a better heli than my Shuttle conversion. No argument there. I would recommend a Logo to anyone with no reservations if they want an electric heli. But if someone wanted to convert another heli because they wanted the challenge, I certainly wouldn't talk them out of it.

If someone desires to have absolutely the best performance, a Logo or a Joker would be no brainers. However, I certainly wouldn't rule out a very well done E-conversion.

Rob

12-07-2002 Over year old.

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pulltooth
Heliman
Location: north little rock,AR

Im considering a eraptor 50 conversion..... first of all im a little new to electrics.. had logo 20 sold it because the motor combo i had on it was disappointing it was a tango 45-06 with kontronic speed control
and 24 3000mah nimh cells... i forgot which pinion but i tried them all.
now back to the issue at hand.... i have a hacker B50 14xl with shulze controller and 20 cells .... this is suppose to be a hot 3D setup for the logo... however instead of getting another logo 20 i thought about raptor 50 conversion. any input would be appreciated on potential flight performance.. thank you....Scott

01-14-2003 Over year old.

KenJ
Veteran
Location: Ohio, USA

For what it's worth?

I am currently flying a converted R-50 using Albig's conversion kit.

Motor is the Hacker 15XL, Hacker Spd Control and 20 3300's.

It does all the stuff including the tight funnels, tic tocs etc.

As good as IC?

No way, not yet anyhow.

IMO stock for stock, the Logo helis will work better because if nothing else, WEIGHT.

My R-50e is completely stock, including the receiver battery pack.

When the Li-Po cells come down in price and the flight times go up, this electric stuff will be loads more fun!!

For right now, it satisifys the need to fly in domes, and at fields on sundays before the local church lets out.

My .02

Team JR

01-15-2003 Over year old.

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Jason Merkle
Senior Heliman
Location: Las Vegas, NV

Too fly a RappE using the 15XL and Al's kit...

I also have a Logo 20. The Logo 20 does win box stock because it weighs less.

BUT, I just flew this weekend with LiPos! It was an 8000 mah pack that was 6 cells series - the same power and 21 and almost 22 cells. PLUS, it weighed 12 ounces LESS than the 20 3000s I usually used!

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...&threadid=85067

Power was about 95% as good as glow for the entire flight. Lots of flips, loops, rolls, but nothing major 3D since I didnt have the canopy on to mount the new packs and had a hrd time seeing it in the cloudy sky.

Total flight time - 16 minutes! Power was much better than 20 cell subCs because it held the voltage longer and had a tad more with less weight!

Next, we plan to fly 7 cells series onthe 15XL. That will give the power of nearly 24 cells, but still weigh 6 ounces LESS than 20 subCs! My guess is, it will OUTFLY glow and still get over 15 minutes!

I plan to save another 12 ounces when I add Al's CCPM conversion, go from V2 frames to V1 frames, and maybe even mini digitals instead of standard servos. That would bring the weight very close to the Logo and it should perform as well as the Logo 20, and most likely outperform glow and give longer flight times than most of the glow 50s get!

The only downside is these packs arent yet available, and when they are, they wont be relatively cheap. They will hover present a better value than buying 3 20 cell packs - which is what it would take to get the same amount of flight time that 1 LiPo pak gives. BUT, of course the LiPo packs weigh less and give more power.

I'll be buying a few packs for my Logo helis and RappE both! No more subC nicads and nimhs for me!

Jason

01-15-2003 Over year old.

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