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HIROBO Freya - Sceadu - Shuttle > New Sceadu kits question
 
 
flatspin
Veteran
Location: H.V. Pa.

When are the "new" kits with DTDS and 3rd block coming?
01-10-2002 Over year old.
 
 
cnk
Heliman
Location: NJ

I think I read on some other post that they weren't expected to start shipping them until June. But you can order the upgrade parts for $40ish with proof of purchase.
01-10-2002 Over year old.
 
 
fitenfyr
rrProfessor
Location: Port Orchard, Washington

US purchase only..

Got the e-mail from Jeff Green. Said that the DTDS upgrade parts will be available sometime next week or so (he said middle of the month), but they will only sell you the upgrade for that price if you have proof of as US shop purchase.

Just FYI

Jason

Just got and e-mail from Jeff Green. Say's the upgrade parts will be in around the 15th and should ship out to the purchasers soon after..



Jason Stiffey
Fly Fast....Live Slow...
01-10-2002 Over year old.
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ampex456
Senior Heliman
Location: Bayville, NJ

Sceadu with options

The kits are now available with a certificate in the kit. Both parts are easily added even after the kit is built. All in all about fifteen minutes. The stock main gear is also included in the kit. By the end of January, most shops should have the kits in stock.


Jeff G
01-10-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Hockeytown
Veteran
Location: Pontiac, Mi. U.S.A.

Thanks

Sounds good.

In that case, I won't bother waiting!!!!!

Thanks

Darin (Soon to be the proud owner of a Sceadu 50)
01-10-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Steve Campbell
Elite Veteran
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

Question for Jeff:

My pal just sold his big Sluggo, and once he gets his new Futura done, will be looking for a plastic 30. He is looking hard at the Sceadu.

As I understand it, if he buys one now, he sends this certificate and $40 or so in to get the third bearing block and one other upgrade- but if he waits until these parts start coming in the kits, he doesn't have to pay extra?

That doesn't sound kosher to me- 'splain it to me, please...

Steve
01-11-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Michael_Fath
Senior Heliman
Location: Chugiak, AK

Steve, like you I want the real answer from Jeff G.

But here's my guess. The 50 kit now has the 570mm Fiberglass Semis. In the future, the blades won't be included in the 50 Kit. So, you are essentially getting the 570mm balades for $40 if you buy the upgrades. There are a couple of existing threads on this topic. One says the kits (sans blades, with upgrades) won't be available until June. Jeff indicates in this thread that they will be available by the end of January. My guess (again), it depends on when Altech has in stock enough of the upgrades and how many blade included kits your retailer has sitting on his shelf.

Mike
01-11-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Steve Campbell
Elite Veteran
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

I hear you, Mike. Thanks for the info.

Who needs 57cm blades anyway? Too much for a 30, not enough for a 46/50. Talk about "an answer in search of a question"...

Steve
01-11-2002 Over year old.
 
 
ampex456
Senior Heliman
Location: Bayville, NJ

Ok Here we go again :)

Right now there are .30 and .50 kits without the changes in the US market place. For those kits, the changes are available for 35.00 (blades in .30) and 39.00 (DTDS and third bearing block in .50). Both prices do not include the one time s & h fee.


As of yesterday we began shipping the new version .30 size kits with the 570's. FYI, I have run 600 narrow blades on a 30 and they worked awesome! Better aerobatic autos and more than adequate aerobatic performance. With the new Hirobo .36 motor on 30% and 570's performance was very close to OS 50 performance on 600's


The fifty size kits also shipped yesterday with an authenticated certifciate for the two upgrade parts at no charge. The rest of the stock parts are included in the kits except the main blades. I will admit setting up the Sceadu .50 to fly with the 570's stakes a little more set up work, but the effort is worth it for full on aerobatic 3D performance. The soft semi profile at the tip does make the inverted climb out rate a little softer, but a little more pitch on the bottom side fixed that. Top end speed is good enough and "jumpiness" out of level flight is more than satisfactory, if not wanted. The package does work as it was, but required a moe defined set up. Hence the reason for the data sheets on the MRC website and on drhirobo.com, my site. As all of us are constantly learning in this hobby and there are probably only a handfull of true experts in their particular brand radio choices, etc, the bulk of the pilots in this hobby need good direction and easier to set up helicopters. From my,testing the use of 600's allow this to happen. And as many pilots wished the Sceadu either came with no blades or came with 600's, we just merely responded to your inputs. Maybe that's a new idea to some, but over the past few years of working here, Hirobo and MRC are little bit more open after they have seen the results of persuing this type of product management. Hence why I have a job. Is it alweays going to be perfect, never. But I'll work hard to get it there, or at least close to it.

The June date posted in an earlier message is in error. The first sets of parts will be here ealry next week. We have a tall order to fill to make this program fair for everyone and Hirobo can only produce so many at a time. The first batch will cover all the request I currently have as of today plus those kits out on the market. Now that can change next week, but we are expediting what can be made so the delivery is as timely as it can be.

If any of you have any questions on setting up the Sceadu, go to the websites and if they are not complete enough, give me a shout here or at jeffg@modelrectifier.com. No problems, only solutions.

My favorite Sceadu right now is the Enya 50 powered Sceadu with the 570's. I do not want to put 600's on it as the roll rate is out of this world. The autos do not hang like the 600's, but I can live with that. That is something I lost when I put 600's and 620's on the OS 50 powered Sceadu. But that is to be expected with that much longer of a rotor disk. I am going to do more work on the OS 600 machine as soon as the weather gets better.

Bottom line, it does not matter what version kit you get, you will still win in the long run. And hopefully this is the question that fulfilled an answer as Steve put it.

Jeff G

Keep speaking, I am listening.
01-11-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Steve Campbell
Elite Veteran
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

Interesting reply, Jeff; but, unfortunately, it did not answer my question. I think the blade comments deflected you somewhat...

We (and I say "we", because I'll be helping him with it) don't care about blades. I've got a nice set of 55cm glass ones to go on there; if there is a set of 57cm glass blades in the box, we'll give 'em a try.

What we are supremely interested in is the third bearing block "upgrade". I have wrestled with that less-than-adequate system of the GPH 346, and I understand the Sceadu is identical. A happy start system helps make a happy helicopter; an unhappy start system makes a miserable machine indeed.

This is my question; when will this third bearing block be available in the 30 kit? I understand (and agree with 100%) your need to take care of current owners/customers first. But what I'm trying to avoid here is my pal buying his ship, then having to spend more money and time getting a necessary "upgrade". He doesn't care if the kit with the new parts is more expensive than a current one without. And he is not interested in a 50 machine, or how well it will thrash about with whatever blades.

He just wants a plastic 30 to putz around with in his BIG back yard, and to throw in the truck on the days we go fly the big airplanes (and his 60 machine won't fit in there with all the plank accoutrements).

Thanks again,

Steve
01-11-2002 Over year old.
 
 
ampex456
Senior Heliman
Location: Bayville, NJ

more stuff

The upgrade third bearing block and DTDS parts right now are NOT slated to be included in the .30 size kit like the .50 kit. The third bearing block is on the main shaft not the starting shaft which is dual ball bearing supported, one in the bell and one at the top like the Eagles, and GPH's. The starting shaft itself is 5mm as opposed to the 4mm GPH and the bearing is a 5x 13 as opposed to the 4x9 Flanged bearing used on the GPH. The Sceadu also uses a hex coupling instead of a one way bearing like the GPH and Eagles. The use of a Hirobo Dual tip starting shaft or KSJ starting shaft is highly recommended for easiest starting.

The third bearing blocks will be available and in stock again very shortly and will retail for 24.00 with the bearing. If your friend is just puttering around in his back yard, he should be ok without it, in all honesty. If he plans to really ring it out he might wish to add it , as it greatly adds support to the main frame. Will it come in the kit in the future? Maybe, but not right now. This is a US only promotion. If he wants the the DTDS and Bearing block upgrades, I'd be more than happy to send them to him direct for the 46.00 total as long as a US proof of Purchase is available.

If you still have questions, please feel free to ask.
Take care
Jeff G
01-11-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Steve Campbell
Elite Veteran
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

<<..the third bearing block is on the main shaft...>>

Ah, so. Shows how much I know. but I remember now; it is to prevent the "gear-eating syndrome". Sorry, I was mixing my metaphors...

<<...one in the bell...>>

Okay, I hear you re the 5mm shaft. But re the above, what is supporting the top of the clutch bell itself? I understand there is a bearing in the top that sits around the start shaft- but what is the top of the bell sitting in?

And what is the DTDS parts? I seemed to have missed reference to that.

Man, this is great, being able to talk to the horse's mouth on-line. You got stones, Jeff, exposing yourself to this pack of wolves...

Steve
01-11-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Michael_Fath
Senior Heliman
Location: Chugiak, AK

Crash Kits

Jeff,

Has Altech considered offering Sceadu Crash Kits without Blades in them? One crash kit for the 30 and the 50 to stock...less inventory...happy pain-in-the-rear customers like myself...what do you think?

Mike
01-11-2002 Over year old.
 
 
ampex456
Senior Heliman
Location: Bayville, NJ

Answers

I'll answer both


A crash kit minus blades is coming. Hirobo just advised us about it. We will get them here asap.

The top of the bell sits in a 10 x 19 bearing topped by a 5 x 13 bearing for the shaft.


The DTDS is Hirobo Direct Tail drive System, constant drive tail, unit. Standard eqip on the FReya and now on the Sceadu .50

That's OK! I like wolves and feeding them a few steaks every now and then makes them happy. Unless I become the meal


Jeff G
01-11-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Michael_Fath
Senior Heliman
Location: Chugiak, AK

Hmm...okay...just one more question

Jeff G.:

Would you adopt me? I am 36 years old. Under the correct set of circumstances I could potentially (I repeat potentially) support myself. I would help out with chores around the house (occasionaly, if the weather is bad for flying). Let me know what you think.

Regards,
Mike

P.S. How is the mental health coverage from Altech? I have some issues I am resolving.
01-12-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Steve Campbell
Elite Veteran
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

Thanks, Jeff. My pal doesn't need either of those upgrades. I was concerned about the start shaft set-up. No more...

Steve
01-12-2002 Over year old.
 
 
ampex456
Senior Heliman
Location: Bayville, NJ

No Sweat

No problem Steve, let me know if you have any more questions.


Jeff G
01-14-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Steve Campbell
Elite Veteran
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

We probably will; he's ordering the kit this week sometime.

He told me that the 30 kit now comes with 575mm glass blades.

True?

Steve
01-14-2002 Over year old.
 
 
ampex456
Senior Heliman
Location: Bayville, NJ

Is it itrue

Yes we have begun to ship the .30 size kits with 570's. .50 size kits have a certificate for the upgrades plus the original main gear so the kit can be flown.


Jeff g
01-14-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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