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e-MS Composit Hornet > HELP FOR MS NEWB.....
 
 
ferret
Heliman
Location: victoria australia

Hi i have a stock ms hornet 2 new in the box and have finaly got around to opening it to play?

what should i use in it... motor and pinion esc ect ? i would like a little 3d monster. my servo's of choice will be the hs 56's and hds 877 on the tail.. along with a gy 240 gyro, as for the rest ? i have no idea as she is smaller than my rex.

i have also read that if you 3d one of these things out of the box you can cut the boom of em.. is this true.. what head speed should i run ? any other building flying tips would be greatly appreciated.

thank you in advance
adrian lewer
05-16-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Saob
Senior Heliman
Location: Stood behind you

I use the MS twister motor and Esc, with Thunder POwer 1320mah Lipos, good power for 3D, bogs a bit if you have lots of pitch in but I just dialled mine out so it didnt bog too much. Oh I have a 13 tooth pinion on mine. some prefer the 12 but I like hi headspeed.

Yes in bone stock form with the light blades and no bell hiller mod it is possible to boom strike the H2 when really pushed hard.

Get the bell hiller mod, either the Ms one or the metal one made by Duzi, this combined with the KOK blades and lightweight paddles makes for a very 3d'able machine.
05-23-2006 Over year old.
 
 
DarkHorse1
Senior Heliman
Location: Gloucester UK

> what should i use in it... motor and pinion esc ect ?
Most have been happy with the Twister/Axi style outrunner MS-116 combo (8-12 Amps max, 120w) on 3 good cells (11.1v) but a few of us are thinking about something with that little extra top end punch.
Have a look at the HB 3D Pro forum, who seem to be recommending the 46g 20A JGF 400DF 3000Kv 15T/140T (2.3mm or 3mm shaft) for 2500 rpm at 80% gov. Some use the 56g Align 400SF 2800Kv.

I am very much guessing here but estimate:
Hornet 400DH/450TH 18T/180T 3000 RPM (motor 30000 rpm) max pull ~17 Amps 3S pack, ~400g (may be use a 20T 9:1?)
Some one need to buy one and find the optimum setup... get a bunch 64 pitch pinions which are mostly available in 3.17mm 16T to 28T (450TH only????)

> you can cut the boom of em.. is this true..
I believe it is due to a combination of factors. Head damping is normally too soft, fit larger stiffer O-rings or pack the centre with tape layers. Depends on blade weight and rpm, I think that the original CFs are not weighted and can more easily be deflected into the boom, particularly is head speed drops too low (2200 rpm maybe), coupled with weak head damping may cause the problem. KoK 255 mm white blades rock but they are expensive.

The tail hub attachment to the short tail shaft can be a problem area for slippage or detachment in flight..

written previously:
...installing a one way main gear bearing (if you haven't got one already and don't know which one fits what shaft design). One of the biggest bugs of the H2 is if you crash without a 'one way', even if you manage to hit the throttle cut switch, the stored momentum in the main rotor is still able to turn your tail at 4:1 ratio and trash the tail drive system. Little issues like that gave the old H2 a poor reputation for tail maintenance and increased the tinker time over actual air time. Happy to say the X-3D is much improved as a result.



Hornet X 3D Twister(Axi 2208/20, Tsunami) 27T/180T ~2900 rpm, MS-116 ESC, MS-044 gyro, HS-50 tail, 3x Futaba 3108s, KOK Extréme white blades, 3xTP1320 prolites ~15mins (cruising), AUW=375g. Futaba7C
05-23-2006 Over year old.
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ferret
Heliman
Location: victoria australia

thanks dark horse1

what do you think of the ms 44 gyro ?
i have one and i am debating weather to even bother but i guess i should give it the benifit of the doubt...

all my kit is missing is a carbon boom and a t/r gear box once i track down these items i will be ready to build where can i get becides teedeeenteprizes... ?

i also have a himark 2015 4100kv.. would this do ? if so what pinion ?

i am going to be using the white fibreglass symetrical blades that have a realy wide chord and norow tip... i have 2 sets and i set of the same but carbon..

are the std tails ok... or are carbon the go... and as for servos.. what about the hitec hs56's... and the hs 50 for the tail ?

i might buy the axi like you have but give the himark a go as well...

because we are in australia the go here is the flight power packs...

Evolution20 1200mAh 3s1p 11.1V. 24A constant discharge 36A bursts. Dimensions - 16mm x 30mm x 98mm Weight - 101g

are these specs ok ? or the dual sky ?

(10-12C) High Discharge XPOWER
Connector JST Male
Capacity 1050mAh
Weight 72g
Size (mm) 68 x 34 x 15
Cont Current 12-13A
Max Current 17A (30 sec)

30 grams lighter than the flightpower battery but less mah... how long will 1050mah last for in a flight ?

and last but not least.. what is the std 300 motor and 5 amp esc and the 8.4 volt 600mah ms gear like.. will it fly it.. will it do basic aeros or restricted to hovering duties. the reason i ask is all this stuff was in the kit.. and i was just curious.. i think i would enjoy the lipo/brushless power though...
05-27-2006 Over year old.
 
 
DarkHorse1
Senior Heliman
Location: Gloucester UK

Wow, not many Q's, here we go...

> what do you think of the ms 44 gyro ?
Mine has been ok as long as there are no vibes otherwise it malfunctions and wags like mad. The Heading Hold mode does it's job, though does suffer drift from temperature changes across a flight. To get a faster piro rate in HH mode with a large gain for strong tail hold, I have to use a radio mix to remote send the gyro gain from 80% down to around 52% (futaba) with full rudder stick deflections. The MS-044 is worth trying.


> where can i get becides teedeeenteprizes... ?
MS USA are due to announce some sort of price drop. I would be careful purchasing anything until prices stabilize. I would not pay more than MS Europe quotes in dollars.

> i also have a himark 2015 4100kv.. would this do ? if so what pinion ?
Not sure, maybe try a 10T or 12T/180T gets good reports here. Don't know where you get 2 mm 64 pitch (mod 0.4) pinions? Let us know.

> i am going to be using the white fibreglass symetrical blades
> that have a realy wide chord and norow tip... i have 2 sets
> and i set of the same but carbon..
I have not info sorry.

> what about the hitec hs56's... and the hs 50 for the tail ?
HS56's may be too big for good CCPM geometry mounting.

> 30 grams lighter than the flightpower battery but less mah...
> how long will 1050mah last for in a flight ?
Yea you'll have to have a play and see if you prefer a heavy (wind tolerance) of light ship (agile action). Run times will be similar given the weight variation I guess. 4-5amps hover to what the motor/esc will delivery, say 10-12 Amps.

> what is the std 300 motor and 5 amp esc
> and the 8.4 volt 600mah ms gear like..
I wouldn't bother, it may be able low head speed hover and some limited Forward Flight. 5 amps at that voltage is 40w! with more efficient twisted washout flat bottom FP blades it would be better.
05-27-2006 Over year old.
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ferret
Heliman
Location: victoria australia

ms

thanks for the reply i know i have alot of qusetions and am happy you are patient and replied thank you very much it is appreciated...
05-28-2006 Over year old.
 
 
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