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e-Align T-REX 250-450-500-600 > Align screwed the pooch with the Rex 600.

gordo high
Senior Heliman
Location: down yonder in the south

Hey, thanks for posting the pic's.

My eyes arent that good anymore, can anyone tell what servo's he's got on there. And, do they look like full size servos. Thats the only thing about the logo's, the small servos, (JRDS3421), are expensive..

Anyway, again thanks for posting....

Honey, I just need this one more thing and then I'm set..

05-11-2006 09:47 PM

dabba
Senior Heliman
Location: South East UK

It takes a company like this to bring this stuff to the masses.
People like this will cause battery prices to go down.
This can only be a good thing.
Come on Thunder Tiger , lets go electric!

05-11-2006 10:05 PM

Hoverdown3K
Key Veteran
Location: Rochester, New York

It is a good thing, but if you think they are going to drive down lipo costs, I doubt it, it is a supply and damand market.

I have notice that older rated lipos like 6C/ 8C / 10C packs have dropped Slightly in price, the 12C and up are still pricy, Lipos have been used for a decade too they are nothing new.

Emoil packs are the next thing to drive down prices.

But even if lipo prices drop 10% in the next year, a $300 pack that is sub par for the T600 sill is going to cost $270, and that is too much for a few minutes 3 to 4 of flight.

I want a T600, but the cost of packs has to come down allot to make me hit the Buy it now button.

I wish this was more inline with a Swift in size. I would have pre-ordered

-= I know there is Money in RC helicopters. I put it there=-

05-11-2006 10:18 PM

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kookboy
Key Veteran
Location: Vancouver, BC -up north and Seattle, WA down south

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I wish this was more inline with a Swift in size. I would have pre-ordered

Same here.

... But honey it was only $$$

05-11-2006 10:19 PM

gywox
Heliman
Location: Sweden

Hello everyone

I don't mean to step on anyones toes, but I see all this talk about how it's super expensive to fly electric and that Align won't get a very big market because of the high costs of lipos/escs etc, and that nitro is the way togo. Well, have you thought about the future? Align is making an EXTREMELY strategic move with this bird in my opinion. They release it now, okay no huge market because of high battery costs.

Well what about the future? In 1, 2 or 5 years? Who's to say we won't be able togo down to the local hobbyshop and buy a 10s2p ultimate superduper battery for 40 bucks? Align is preparing for the future in my opinion. Nitro might be the way togo now, but once we get better batteries, better performance for cheaper costs, then what? I'll tell you, then Align sits there with years of experience with the Trex 600, all glitches fixed, and they may have one of the best electric machines ever made. When everyone can get a super battery for 40 bucks or even less, or a tad more.

Who knows, this might not happend, but then again it might. I think chances are quite big it will, and to the people comparing the pricing with the Trex 450, why? It's not like you compare prices between a regular personal car and a monster truck is it? It's bigger, and more powerful (With the right stuff) so naturally you pay more for it? I can see the point where people who used the Rex 450x go out and buy this and try to fly it at the local park, but come on there's some common sense to all things in life, again with the monster truck comparison, I wouldn't try to drive one of those to the local mall to get some groceries in my city? It might sound silly, but it is a bit like that.

Safety? An RC helicopter IS a very very dangerous machine, so is a car though, but what makes the helicopter more dangerous is the difficulty of flying it, for one thing. We can only hope there isn't people out there who get into this hobby and hope it's as easy as riding a bike. On the other hand, I would hate it if this hobby got a big red labal screaming "DANGER" and that literally people get too scared to get into it, with proper supervision, instruction, and learning this hobby is like beer, probably one of the best things in life.

Just my 2 cents =)

05-11-2006 10:32 PM

rockier
Key Veteran
Location: Las Vegas

gywox

I agree with you. Well said.

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05-11-2006 10:39 PM

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kookboy
Key Veteran
Location: Vancouver, BC -up north and Seattle, WA down south

What he said.

... But honey it was only $$$

05-11-2006 10:45 PM

heliboy2003
Senior Heliman
Location: heli

gywox,

You are correct, but if you hit the "BUY NOW" button, you have to pay "RIGHT NOW"

!!!!

For many average fliers, wait-and-see is a better strategy to save money, no hurry to jump in so early.

05-12-2006 01:18 AM

Heli_Freak_de
Heliman
Location: Germany

And please notice that nitro fuel is not so cheap as in the US in most countries, europe for example.

05-12-2006 08:33 AM

heliboy1023
Veteran
Location: Tinton Falls, NJ

I don't know how you guys think that a nitro will be cheaper. Sure, I figure for a t-rex 600 with 2 good battery packs, and a charger will cost me about $3000 for everything needed to fly. I figure the raptor I am building in about 2 months right now is going to cost me $1700. So the differance off the back is about $1300. However, add in the fuel I will be running, CP 30% heli, at around $20 a gallon, and it adds up Chances are I will be going out whenever I can to fly it, and will probably burn a gallon in a week at least. Times that buy about 40 weeks (only 12 weeks or so I won't fly even in NJ) and right there is $800. Chances are, the lipo's will still be fine. SO in about a year and a half, I would already have spent more on the nitro than electric.

You know you have to many heli's only when your wallet is empty.

05-12-2006 11:41 AM

bugsb
Veteran
Location: rothwell//northants UK

the t-rex 600 is ok for price for me it is the li-po packs
to keep flying i would need 5 li-po packs and four chargers at the field
when i add that all up it is
2x 50 size engines and all the fuel to keep me flying for 5 years
so for me the trex 600 is a no no
in 3-5 years when new models and battery packs are around it will be alot cheaper to go all electric
Ron

05-12-2006 11:57 AM

heliboy2003
Senior Heliman
Location: heli

Nobody said Nitor is cheaper!!!

It is true that fuel cost adds up, but don't forget Lipo will die after some certain cycles, typically it is 200-300 cycles. So count that, actually the cost of Nitro and Electro are very similar on average!

However, even though nobody like crash, but mishaps do happen, and the chance that Battery gets damaged in a crash is high due to the reason that e-Heli is usually lighter, so the structure strength is usually weaker. But for Nitro, you just lose a tank of fuel plus the plastic tank!

Besides, if you don't fly that often, you can just stop stocking the fuel, but you can not do that for Battery, you have to pay the whole lot of money for the battery initially!

05-12-2006 12:30 PM

Gazzer
Veteran
Location: Hope Valley, UK

There are a lot of posts supporting the 600 that read like..... my trex 450 is great so the 600 will be too or I luv my Trex 450 so I'm gonna buy a 600, with no real explanation of why?

The Trex 450 has been a great sucess as there was an existing market demand for a small cheap heli that flew well. Align came out with the product at just the right time.

The 600 however is a whole different story. Let me play devils advocate; The problems with the 600 are:

1. Its a 50 class so competes head to head with many nitro machines

2. The batteries are expensive so total costs will be higher

3 You'll need 5 or 6 battery packs for a days flying that would compare to a nitro machine

4. You need to remove and plug in batteries after every flight (these Deans connectors are not the easiest things to pull apart)

5. The Lipo batteries are potentialy dangerous, both in charging and from being damaged in a crash

6. You miss out on the noise and the smell of the nitro

(joke)

7. With the 5 or 6 battery packs and charger your gonna be carrying almost as much field gear as you would need for a nitro

I'm sure there are other points I've missed.

So can someone give me a list of apposing arguments that would convince me that the Align 600 has enough advantages over a 50 sized nitro that would change my mind about it's market success?

05-12-2006 01:04 PM

Hoverdown3K
Key Veteran
Location: Rochester, New York

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gywox Hello everyone

I don't mean to step on anyones toes, but I see all this talk about how it's super expensive to fly electric and that Align won't get a very big market because of the high costs of lipos/escs etc, and that nitro is the way togo. Well, have you thought about the future? Align is making an EXTREMELY strategic move with this bird in my opinion. They release it now, okay no huge market because of high battery costs.

Well what about the future? In 1, 2 or 5 years

Great, I'll buy the T600 in 1, 2, or 5 years, once the lipos prices come down.

But in the mean time, I'm getting a Swift or Logo...

-= I know there is Money in RC helicopters. I put it there=-

05-12-2006 02:28 PM

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GScott
Key Veteran
Location: Lewis Center, OH

heliboy1023,

Your math does not add up. Let's assume you use those 40 gallons in a year. That's about 450 flights. Using electric w/ 2 batteries that gives you 2 batteries with 225 cycles on them. Assuming they actually lasted for the 225 cycles count on replacing them every year if you continue to fly that much. You were already $500 in the hole from the original purchase and now you get to purchase $1k worth of batteries every year vs $800 for fuel. Keep in mind that is only for 2 batteries which equates to roughly 15 minutes of flying total and 2 hours of recharging. The battery expense is also all up front vs $20 a week for the fuel.

Also, the Trex 600 will need just as much room as a 50 nitro. It will also be much louder then the standard T-Rex. Not as loud as a nitro but probably not significantly quieter than a 50 with a Zimmerman or Hatori pipe either. There are advantages to an electric heli but right now cost is not one of them.

05-12-2006 02:31 PM

spork
Veteran
Location: Mountain View, CA

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So can someone give me a list of apposing arguments that would convince me that the Align 600 has enough advantages over a 50 sized nitro that would change my mind about it's market success?

Just one. From my house the closest field where I can fly nitro is now 20 miles away. Figuring my time at $1000/hr fighting bay area traffic I figure that makes the 600 much cheaper.

But seriously, there are a pile of good sites closer than that which allow me to fly the 600. I have an X-Cell 60 that I love. But I never fly it, because I just don't want to join a club, join AMA, and drive 20 miles in bay area traffic to do so.

RC

05-12-2006 03:10 PM

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supertrex
Heliman
Location: FL

I wish Japanese will make a cheap battery that can give enough power and have a CHEAP price. Like what they did on their Mogo E heli. long time ago.

05-12-2006 03:29 PM

Grant H
Key Veteran
Location: Maryland

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Just one. From my house the closest field where I can fly nitro is now 20 miles away. Figuring my time at $1000/hr fighting bay area traffic I figure that makes the 600 much cheaper

What type of field is going to let you fly that 50 electric vs a nitro.

Are you mainly talking about noise concerns?

05-12-2006 04:02 PM

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spork
Veteran
Location: Mountain View, CA

At the moment there are two well established R/C fields close to my house that make the no-nitro distinction. As I've said before, that might change when people start showing up with 10 lb electric helis that go 100 mph. But for now, if it's electric, it's legal.

RC

05-12-2006 04:33 PM

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HP03
Heliman
Location: Arkansas - USA

Is this a joke?

Take a look at this TREX600 kit w/motor,esc,bec, and battery and look at the battery that come with this...Is it a joke or what? http://www.mfis.net/microflight/sho...products_id/515

05-12-2006 09:33 PM

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