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e-Align T-REX 250-450-500-600 > Align screwed the pooch with the Rex 600.

ozace
Key Veteran
Location: melbourne, australia

Marketing plays a huge part of sales for these toys. Align already has a band of cheerleaders to heap glowing praise over a machine that very few of us have seen in person. I thought it would have made sense to move up one size at a time and take the trex 450 customers along for the ride. Each small step would have been easier to swallow with packs and chargers etc. The Lepton looks sweet but is $$$$$ the eolo from robbe was a great mid sized heli but it never had support from the factory or distributor, this is a size many could have coped with and Align could have made it's own. With the current development of the 600 it has shown me Align has changed their ways big time.
It used to be us, the customers doing the development on the trex now it seems the pro's are doing it. The result will be a very impressive heli, now all they have to do is find a way to make it affordable to the masses.

we can never have too many, can we ?

05-10-2006 11:37 PM

gordo high
Senior Heliman
Location: down yonder in the south

KooKBoy, some of us already have 10 cell chargers, balancers, and 10S2P, 8S2p batteries.....etc

I have a logo 14, stretched, a logo 10 carbon stretched, and 2 trexes. I also preordered my trex 600 from esprit, and expect to get one of the first released.

Maybe there will be glitches, and upgrades might be necessay, but this is part of the fun of the hobby. Not everyone is starting from scratch, and look for the challenge of a new bigger heli.

Bottom line, If you don't already have a stake in the hobby, with some of the necessary equipment, and this turns you off, DON'T GET ONE!!

But PLEASE, quit trying to control the minds of the people that know full and well what they want to buy. The people that have 1 rex and a 2100 mah, 3 cell battery, and a 50 dollar charger are not going to shell out the money to buy one anyway. I know what you are trying to say, but you are shouting to the deaf.......have a nice night...

Honey, I just need this one more thing and then I'm set..

05-10-2006 11:48 PM

kookboy
Key Veteran
Location: Vancouver, BC -up north and Seattle, WA down south

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But PLEASE, quit trying to control the minds of the people that know full and well what they want to buy.

I would prefer if you didn't assume or accuse like that on here.

I am simply answering questions about pricing it out and not controlling as you so nicely put it.

Are you even posting a reply in the right thread ?

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t257202p1/

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Maybe there will be glitches, and upgrades might be necessay, but this is part of the fun of the hobby. Not everyone is starting from scratch, and look for the challenge of a new bigger heli.

Of course it's part of the fun and obviously not everyone is starting from scratch.

My post was refering to those requesting 'everything including chargers,etc..' to buy.

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The people that have 1 rex and a 2100 mah, 3 cell battery, and a 50 dollar charger are not going to shell out the money to buy one anyway.

Are you kidding ?

Almost everyone I know who owns a Trex 450 here in my IBM building which is 14, have pre-ordered the Rex 600 and more at our field.

They want something bigger. That's the whole idea.

Take their current customer base, offer more and in the meantime expand it. Very good move on Align's part and it will be a big success.

I'm touting the success of the Rex 600, not putting it down.

... But honey it was only $$$

05-11-2006 12:05 AM

jack726
Veteran
Location: Cerritos California

I don't know if I am an oddball or if I represent some sampling of the heli buying base.

I am retired with a couple of $$ in the bank. Price is not much of a consideration for me. My wife would not care if I buy 10 Align 600. The only restraint on buying them is my Scottish ancestry.

I wanted a big Rex so much, I was like a child waiting for Christmas. After getting to see one and watching it fly, it took me ten minutes to change my mind. I might as well fly my Raptor 50s; the 600 makes almost as much noise and will attract attention to the park where I currently fly. It will take one old bitty complaining to cause us to lose still another field. I cancelled my order.

I was hoping the new bird would be about the size of my JR Voyager. The Voyager is just small enough to stay under the local radar of public complaints.

Well guess what; the new Lepton is almost the size of the Voyager and probably 10 times the quality. I ordered mine last week.

Maybe the bug will bite me for the 600 again at a later time, but for now I will sit back and watch the parade.

05-11-2006 12:29 AM

gordo high
Senior Heliman
Location: down yonder in the south

Kookboy, this thread is 5 pages long, the one you linked to is one. Sorry if I'm wrong, but maybe you are in the wrong thread.

I read the link and see your comparison of prices. But, unless mu laptop is messed up, I was replying to the trex 6oo thread where people were debating it's purchase.

O'well, I have given my opinion and thats all I have to say....too tired..

Honey, I just need this one more thing and then I'm set..

05-11-2006 01:35 AM

spork
Veteran
Location: Mountain View, CA

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O'well, I have given my opinion and thats all I have to say....too tired..

But apparently your opinion is that kookboy shouldn't be forcing his negative opinions on others. If you read either thread you'd know he doesn't have negative feelings about the 600. You must be tired.

05-11-2006 02:05 AM

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kookboy
Key Veteran
Location: Vancouver, BC -up north and Seattle, WA down south

I'm tired too. Long day @ work.

One thing is for certain, it's a new product and there will always be a pos/neg views on it. Look at the current Rex. Some hate, some love it. Things will always be that way.

About the T-Rex 600...

I love the looks and so far from the video's, the performance for it's size.

It's a great feeling for people who don't have access to a flying field, flying club or other experienced pilots to come in here and have all the advice they need to get up and enjoy flying.

It appears that the T-Rex 450 was the heli that hit the largest group of people, especially beginners due of it's size and cost. Now, with the larger Rex, many of those will have it.

We should be here to help and give advice to those who can use it to their advantage regarding large heli's such as the T-Rex 600.

Let's make it a good and fun transition for those who are need it, because there will be a lot of people buying this as their 1st heli.

... But honey it was only $$$

05-11-2006 02:47 AM

GScott
Key Veteran
Location: Lewis Center, OH

Willy is finally right about one thing...Having owned both Align and Hirobo heli's they are not in the same league. Align has a long way to go to be in the same league as Hirobo.

05-11-2006 03:48 AM

c mark smith
Senior Heliman
Location: Mt Vernon, Indiana

Never thought i would se the words hobby, affordable and masses in one sentence about the heli hoohhy,,,,,,,,,addidtion might be changed from the word hobby though, still masses can't be right !

05-11-2006 08:06 AM

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Grant H
Key Veteran
Location: Maryland

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all i know is the lepton is not in the same league as the trex 450 or 600, its more of a niche market and way over pirced inmho.

You are right. It is in a market WAY above anything Align currently has.

At first I though the price was a bit high as well, but after actually looking at it, I think that the price is right on. I had an XL at one point. It is almost upgraded to a SE now. All these upgraded parts and basic XL kit probably cost me the same as the Lepton, Which I preordered. Take a close look at the Lepton. You will see a quailty build heli with all the bells and whistles such as thrust bearings.

I think that the price of the Lepton is right on for a EX model from Hiboro. I have preordered one.

Actually though, I wish for my sake that Align would have come out with something to compete with the Lepton, because I probably would have went with the Aling version first and the Hiboro version second.

Like someone said before, it would have been really nice if Align had come up with a mid-sized electric model to take all the 450 customers with. I think that would have been the most logical jump for Align and its customers and that is where the title of this thread comes from.

05-11-2006 08:28 AM

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alanhsu
Key Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

I disagree man.
They've made the bird with ESC and motor so cheap. If the stock equipments is half decent, you should have enough money left over to buy a decent pack or a few emoli pack.

I would like a swift/logo10 sized trex. That would be the killer. But 50size ain't bad with 10s emoli(two packs for $300).

05-11-2006 08:30 AM

Grant H
Key Veteran
Location: Maryland

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They've made the bird with ESC and motor so cheap. If the stock equipments is half decent, you should have enough money left

"If" being the key word here. Personally, I dont put to much stock into Aligns electronics.

05-11-2006 08:33 AM

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alanhsu
Key Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

the new stock motor for trex works fine. Better than more expensive after market alternatives (like mega motor).

The ESC have that stupid heatsink design, but hey, the version before it worked fine, so they could get it right...haha.

We are talking bigger and more powerful setup.
But I don't think you'll get an ESC that doesn't even work. Maybe less powerful or have bad program though.

05-11-2006 09:06 AM

GScott
Key Veteran
Location: Lewis Center, OH

Just so everyone knows the Align ESC cannot be used with the Emoli setup. You will need a Castle HV45 at minimum. The Align ESC can only do 6s. The minimum Emoli setup for this heli is going to be in the neighborhood of 10s - 11s. Not sure about the motor but I wouldn't expect it to do more than 6s either.

05-11-2006 01:50 PM

Hoverdown3K
Key Veteran
Location: Rochester, New York

Good Point GScott, and the CC HV45 is about the lowest AMP rating you can use.

-= I know there is Money in RC helicopters. I put it there=-

05-11-2006 03:23 PM

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kookboy
Key Veteran
Location: Vancouver, BC -up north and Seattle, WA down south

Raptor Titan 50

"The Titan is simply a replacement for the standard V2 kit. The only thing new, really, is the longer boom and belt, so that it can run 620 mm blades. One other point not mentioned is that the Titan kit does come with a set of wood blades.

Here's my take on all this: If you are looking for a low-cost setup, that can use eMolis, a Raptor is tough to beat, especially if you already have access to one. Granted, it is a bit heavier (8-3/4 pounds with a 12s eMoli setup...), but the use of 620s makes a difference, as it lessens the disk loading. Starting with an existing flyable Raptor, even if it is box stock, here's what I'd add:

* Metal hub $65
* Green paddles $10
* Titan boom/belt $35
* Z50-600 Motor/kit/eCCPM mod $200
* CC Phx HV 85 Controller $180
* 2 x 6s eMoli ($14 x 12) $175

This totals about $665, which gets you a machine with fantastic 3D performance. With a 600, to get similar performance, you start with $480 for the kit, add $125-$150 for the motor, $180 for the Phx HV 85, at least $65 for a set of blades and you are up to at least $850, and that's before looking at any battery costs."

-- Gary

... But honey it was only $$$

05-11-2006 05:29 PM

kookboy
Key Veteran
Location: Vancouver, BC -up north and Seattle, WA down south

"Below are some pictures of Danny's 600, taken while he was setting it up with the A50-10S and the two new 5s-4700 packs. The AUW for this configuration was a hefty 8 pounds 7 ounces, but most of that is because of the packs, both of which weigh about as much as one of their 6s2p-4200 setups. Like I said earlier, this way too much battery for this, but even with the extra weight, the power difference between this setup and the stock ones they've been demo'ing is pretty dramatic."

"As you can see, there's nothing really left that an "SE" variant might have, except maybe metal boom and bearing blocks.

You'll also notice they've gone back to a straight-cut gear. The helical cut was causing problems with the pinion moving. One of the reasons for the helicals in the first place was to reduce noise, but this module 0.7 straight cut version is really no louder. It now has 170T, down from the original 188T, I believe.

In the coming weeks, we will be doing more tests to find what the most optimum power setup will be. I have a pretty good idea that Steve's new 1915-1Y (kV around 680...) with a 12s1p-3000 setup of Charlie's new 20C cells will be it."

--Gary

... But honey it was only $$$

05-11-2006 05:31 PM

heliboy2003
Senior Heliman
Location: heli

I doubt that an average flier will spend so much time and energy on 50 sized e-Heli, unless he has very unique reasons must stick with e-Heli, and with the same time, effort and money, just get a, say Raptor 50 and some fuel then go out to fly, enojoy the maturity of 50 size Nitro heli.

Even though I may get one TRex600 for myself(I fly Fury Extreme and TRex450 recently), but I doubt TRex 600 will creat as large market as TRex450, reasons being

1. TRex450 can fly almost any where, even in the living room (I did try several times), but for TRex600, you need to go to a much bigger field same as Nitro fly.

2. Good batteries are still expensive, the price hasn't come down to the point that can be accepted by average people. I guess Align will come out with their batteries with a cheaper price, but how cheap? We will see.

3. Raptor50 created a large market for Nitro heli, but Raptor90 didn't. Of course 90 size heli are much nicer than 50 size heli, but when people start thinking of getting 90 size heli, most of the time they quit due to the much higher cost of 90 size heli compared to 50 size heli. TRex450 created a large market for Micro heli, but will the much larger brother do as well? I doubt it because the $$$ they have to pay.

I guess TRex600 will do a lot better than other 50 size e-Heli due to the success of TRex450 and the cost down ability Align has (despite the quality issue), but it will be just small as that market size is not big, mainly due to the cost of the battery packs.

05-11-2006 06:24 PM

kookboy
Key Veteran
Location: Vancouver, BC -up north and Seattle, WA down south

Now matter how you look at it, anything new is good for us, the consumer.

More choices

Align's Rex 600 gives us more choices within an electic 50-size market.

... But honey it was only $$$

05-11-2006 06:34 PM

spork
Veteran
Location: Mountain View, CA

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Now matter how you look at it, anything new is good for us, the consumer. More choices

WRONG - as my old russian boss used to say - choice is bad.

Of course he also used to say - life is tough.... but fortunately short (which is extremely entertaining when spoken with a thick russian accent).

As long as we've gone off topic far enough to be quoting old russian sayings, I'll offer my favorite:

Woman is like bus.

05-11-2006 07:28 PM

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