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e-Align T-REX 450-500-600 > Align screwed the pooch with the Rex 600.
 
 
Alan Szabo Sr
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Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

Well said Rockie.
05-10-2006 05:45 AM
 
 
Darthdrk
Senior Heliman
Location: Munford, Tn

I can remember not long ago a newby pilot wanted to buy a heli (keep in mind he never flew a helicopter or even an airplane if I remember correctly) He wanted to go for and had his heart set on a 90 size heli. I guess he won the lottery or something. Alot of pilots chimed in on how dangerous these are and it seemed as he was oblivious to what we were trying to tell him. Its guys like him that really scare me.(And cause laws to be made by politicians restricting our hobby) Id hate to be the casualty of someones "oops". I fly at my house which Im on about five acres, secluded and surrounded by trees I think this is even to small for a .50 unless youre doing alot of slow flying and hovering. As stated earlier I think the T-rex is just the size to be able to fly at a local park barring people traffic. I think that was a niche that the t-rex filled. Im not really against the bigger 600 but I really dont see where it will take off like wildfire with so many other popular proven choices in its class already out there flying. Price is getting to be the biggest factor now with these as far as selling a bunch of them but when the batteries cost more than the heli itself I cant see this one going to far until or unless the batteries become more affordable to and for the typical heli flyer
05-10-2006 05:59 AM
 
 
GimbalFan
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Location: Copter County, Nv

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Well said Rockie


Agreed.

You naysayers are certainly entitled to your opinions -- makes for great reading, all this debate about timing and market share -- but have you been watching and listening to the many videos already shot of this bird?

How many of you have seen one fly in person?

We're all becoming accustomed to fabulous 3D being done with 90-sized nitros. That's here to stay. But how many 50-sized birds have the 'blade music' that this one does? A LOT of what a bird is capable of, to me anyway, comes across via the sound of it in the air, and this one sounds terrific -- and it appears to be quite nimble as well.

When I'm in the market for a 50-sized electric this bird will be high on my list of candidates. It sounds RIGHT, and I'll bet Align sells a bunch of them.

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05-10-2006 06:21 AM
 
 
kookboy
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Location: Vancouver, BC -up north and Seattle, WA down south

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Kookboy

I've got four 90 size helis now. If you think this is too large and/or dangerous, please feel free not to buy one. As for the cost, I can figure out for myself whether it's worth it to me or not. Thanks. steve.


I had a Raptor 90 which I sold for the Raptor 50 converted to electric, so yes. Your comment about 'think this is too large, please feel free not to buy one', not sure where that came from, but I'm not discouraging anyone from this.

Just informing NEW or would-be pilots that is it a completely different category compared to the smaller Trex 450 and to take caution just like they would any helicopter.

This is a point, not an insult. Please do not take it that way.

I personally like the idea of Align putting out a 50-sized e-heli. It will give my e-Raptor a run for its money.

I have seen a brand new, fresh off a sim take a Trex 450 SE and not be able to control it, heading back towards him and the guy being able to duck just in time. Had that been a 50-sized heli, his head would probably be missing.

My point of safety was directed to potential buyers who are comparing the 450 to the 600.

There are a lot of them. At least 10 within shouting distance of my work desk. They saw the 600 and want the 600 and will pay for the 600, 6 of them having no heli experience and just watching their friends Trex 450's flying and thinking that it's a plug-n-play electric and for some reason safer than loud-large nitro's.

Safety is an issue with any heli coupled with the hands of a new flyer, but especially when it is a large electric heli with so much marketing towards the micro-heli crowd who tend to fly in normal parks with people around.

So, I am not discouraging anyone from the Rex 600.

To the contrary, I think it will be a great success for Align.

Safety for new/would-be pilots regarding the Rex 600 was my topic.

Sorry if anyone took it otherwise.

... But honey it was only $$$
05-10-2006 06:26 AM
 
 
Grant H
Key Veteran
Location: Maryland

I also agree with with most of kookboy has said on this topic.

I hope that Align has cured some of their quality issues, issues that will get people most defiently killed with a larger "50 Sized" heli. While I am pretty sure that they taken this into account, i am not holding my breath.

One of the points that I completely agree with kookboy on is that I think that too many people are going to group the 450 with the 600 and kinda view them on the same level. In reality, this is most certainly not the case. Too many people are going to take their experience with the 450 and think that it will apply to the 600. What do you want to bet that we will see threads of idiots fly these a/c out on their driveways in rural areas? I am willing to bet money on that.. Someone mentioned before that they like to "tinker" with these a/c. While the Rex450 was a great little a/c to tinker with, if the same problems that people have had to tinker with on the 450 they have to on the 600 there is going to be big saftey issues. A swash separation on a 600 heli is going to be a sight to be seen.

I have no doubt that the Rex600 will sell, I just dont think that its going to make the same "splash" as the 450 did. And hell, with Szabos name on it, it HAS to do well. .
05-10-2006 06:40 AM
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rockier
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Location: Las Vegas

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Align screwed the pooch with the Rex 600


Grant H,
Then want does this subject have to do with pilots being stupid. If anyone takes any heli as a toy and think no one is going to get hurt needs help.

I do not think Align screwed the pooch on this one. Everyone has been waiting for a good 50 size electric that is going to be priced better. I think Align will do that for us. So how does that make a company screw the pooch.

You should of use the subject of "pilots will take the Trex 600 as the small Trex"

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05-10-2006 06:54 AM
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Hummingbird3D
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Location: California

I've seen Danny, Alan, and Eric fly here in San Diego this last weekend and checked out their trex's, and 600s. There was nothing unusual with the equipment that I could see. Everything on these machines is available to us at the stores/mail order. They were even very nice enough to tell any of us about their setups and even let us hold and go through the helis. One thing that they all said and you can see in their flying is that they don't jam on the collective like I see with other pilots. So you don't here any bogging of the motors. Other than practicing the other skills on the sticks it was collective management that they said makes a difference on the perceived power.
So, yes the 600 did look impressive, even in the hands of a Szabo.

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05-10-2006 07:01 AM
 
 
Grant H
Key Veteran
Location: Maryland

I believe that Align has "Screwed the pooch" because they jumped to to big of heli, effetive emiluating most of their 450 client base. The most logical step would have been to make something a small step up from the 450, allowing all those people that loved the 450 to advance a smaller step.

I believe that an Align heli that was designed to be the same size as the Lepton would make a MUCH bigger splash than the 600 will. This where the title in this thread comes from.

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One problem in the electric mark that I see is that there is not a ARF type heli you can buy and fly.


This statement kinda scares me. I hope that all these new pilots that buy these ARF kits based on their experineces with the Rex450 are willing to break it down and redo it correctly/better as in with the case of ANY ARF.

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So, yes the 600 did look impressive, even in the hands of a Szabo.


Of course its going to look impressive, even a flying turd in the hands of a Szabo would look impressie. Personally, the Szabo videos of the next Rex did not impress me really, and that is not a cut on the Szabos one bit.

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Then want does this subject have to do with pilots being stupid.


Where did this comment come from? I would not call ANYONE in this hobby stupid. Afterall it takes some form of intelligence to build and fly any type of heli. Maybe a better word would be missinformed?
05-10-2006 07:01 AM
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Neil Walker
Senior Heliman
Location: Victoria, BC - Canada

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Everyone has been waiting for a good 50 size electric that is going to be priced better.


I just don't understand this - when you get into this size of anything - heli or planker - the cost of the airframe is almost irrelevant. It is the gear that adds up. And not just the packs. Everything is more expensive. I don't quite know why it got closed, but a few posts ago I linked to a thread I started earlier that has a litle breakdown of costs. Basically you can count on spending about two and a half times (or more) on a Rex 600 than you would on a Rex 450. The cost of the REx 600 kit could be half of what a Raptor costs and after all the dust settled it wouldn't end up saving you much.

I don't think having Joe Rookie buying a Rex 600 and killing someone is going to be an issue, unless Joe Rookie has a spare $3K to blow - and yes, that's what it'll cost, by the time you buy ALL the gear - the heli, electronics, at least 2 sets of battery packs, a decent charging system, taxes, shipping, etc. etc. - and that is not meant to say anything bad about the Rex 600 at all! Just that at this size, the toys get very, very expensive in a hurry no matter what.


BTW Grant H, your sig just made me shoot beer out of my nose
05-10-2006 07:09 AM
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rockier
Key Veteran
Location: Las Vegas

Grant H,
You got me wrong on the ARF word and I did not mean the heli was going to be put together. As far as I know the helis are going to be kits. What I was saying is that there is not a electric heli except for the Trex that is all in one box. That is one that is worth having. You look at all the small helis and they are carp except the Trex.

Align has done it right with the small helis with less problems did the other companies.

Like I said if anyone takes any of these helis and think they will not hurt them needs help. What does that have to do with Align and the Trex 600.

I think you are right that people will do that but connecting it to Align is not right. Just because a company starts of with a small heli. It does not make them wrong for trying to get into the 50 size heli market. You think if companies think pilots are going to be stupid they would not be making heli at all.

This is like saying that because a company made flotation devises and started make little rubber trays for soap would be wrong, This has happened and people thought they could use them for flotation devices and drowned. Is the company wrong for making them or the person trying to do something with a product not made to be used that way.

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05-10-2006 07:23 AM
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TonyTypeS
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Location: New Orleans, LA

Well imma get the 600 when it comes out. Being the fact that it's a 50 size you us full size servos and uses a bigger motor than the smaller heli's. A few motors have already been made for the 50 size heli's so I think that's a great idea for align to come out with a 50 size. No worry about having to find the right motor. Servo are not a problem either. You can buy cheap standard servos for about 15 bucks and the cost goes up if you want really good servo.
When the first trex's came out they weren't that popular. I remember only a few people had them. A few months later it got big. And now.... seems like everyone wants a trex 450. Yes the trex is nice to fly in the yard but when you go to the field the rex is just too small. My eyes are not that good so I have to keep the rex close so that I don't lose it. Having a 50 size is better because I can see it better even tho they take up more space to fly.
Align can't stay with the trex 450 for ever. I was hoping one day they will come out with a bigger heli. I don't mind spending a few more dollars to get bigger packs.
The lipton looks really nice but I guess the spare parts won't be cheap. Thats why I choose align. Parts for the align heli's are easily gotten and the price for spare parts are priced at a reasonable price. Align is always updating their kits every few months to make the design better. What company does that. But yea some think that a manufacturer shouldn't have to update their kits if it was suppose to be good. Every heli has a flaw of some short.
I dunnoe I guess Im an ALIGN fan all the way. haha

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05-10-2006 07:41 AM
 
 
Grant H
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Location: Maryland

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Just because a company starts of with a small heli. It does not make them wrong for trying to get into the 50 size heli market.


You are correct. They are NOT wrong for gettting into the 50 sized relatively small market for electrics. I THINK that they could have done better by making a heli that is only 1 or 2 steps up from their current line. Not 2-3 steps up, expeically in a market that is already there.

I am saying that they screwed up majorly by not making a heli to compete with the Lepton at this current time. There is a MUCH larger market for a heli the size of the Lepton based on battery costs alone!!!!
05-10-2006 08:01 AM
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spork
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Location: Mountain View, CA

One of the key marks of really successful companies isn't necessarily making all the right decisions. Instead they are willing to stick with things that are working, and quickly abandon things that aren't. I don't think the folks at Align necessarily know what's the best thing to build, but they sure seem pretty sharp to me when it comes to the electric heli business.

I suspect the 600 will do fine. It'll have it's issues, and they'll offer upgrades. Nothing wrong with that. That's what early adopters are for. But don't be too surprised if you see Align come out with something between the T-Rex and the 600 either.

RC
05-10-2006 09:04 AM
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zoobie
Senior Heliman
Location: South Africa

For me I dont care for a bigger heli either way as much as I dont care for planks. neither one is bad - I just see my interest as micro-helis and Align seems to have made the best one so far and it is highly upgradable and well priced. I have no interest in bigger helis or nitros they are different hobies in my opinion. If Align wants to make a bigger heli thats fine, just hope it doesnt hamper development on the micros. In this day of long work hours etc I am looking for convience and performance and my little Rexy gives me both!
05-10-2006 09:05 AM
 
 
BoneDoc
Senior Heliman
Location: San Antonio, TX

It's funny how most of the folks here phrase it as "Align is in trouble" for competing with other 50 size birds. Instead, it could easily be that the Rex 600 will revolutionize the 50 size crowd just like the 450 Rex did for the micro / mini heli. By having another competitor, prices will be forced to go down.

**If you ain't crashing, you ain't flying hard enough**
05-10-2006 09:31 AM
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spork
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Location: Mountain View, CA

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By having another competitor, prices will be forced to go down.


Not necessarily, but the value/price ratio will almost certainly improve. Quality and features will almost certainly improve as well.


RC
05-10-2006 09:34 AM
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ozace
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Location: melbourne, australia

Can we fit a hyper 50 into the trex 600, now that would sell

we can never have too many, can we ?
05-10-2006 09:45 AM
 
 
Gazzer
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Location: Hope Valley, UK

rockier
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I can say the converted Raptor 50 is not proved it self yet. In the last 3 years I have only seen 6 of these helis and I go to a lot of fun flies and other fields. I have been to IRCHA with 500 pilots and seen 3 of these helis. This is the same with the logo brand and every other electric heli that has been out. I can see that Align is changing the electric heli market for all of us and we should be happy about it and not attack them for it.

Could this be because in reality very few people are interested in a 50 size electric? I dont want to start a nitro v's electric argument but the pro's and con's are clear to everyone. There are already larger electric heli's out there, they just have never become popular!



Neil Walker
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I just don't understand this - when you get into this size of anything - heli or planker - the cost of the airframe is almost irrelevant. It is the gear that adds up. And not just the packs. Everything is more expensive. I don't quite know why it got closed, but a few posts ago I linked to a thread I started earlier that has a litle breakdown of costs. Basically you can count on spending about two and a half times (or more) on a Rex 600 than you would on a Rex 450. The cost of the REx 600 kit could be half of what a Raptor costs and after all the dust settled it wouldn't end up saving you much.

Exactly, well said. Unless there are some major shifts in battery & equipment pricing (or you can afford to have 5 or 6 packs for a whole days flying) then is the 50 size electric a practical proposition? For most I think the answer is no.

The Trex 450 has been sucessful because it is extremely practical. Small so easy to carry around, small so you can fly in smaller spaces, flys well so it's great fun, inexpensive including the battery packs. It's advantage is clear........ The 600 offers none of this and competes with every 30/50 nitro/electric heli on the market ........IMHO
05-10-2006 12:30 PM
 
 
jjeaster222000
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Location: Bedford in

I think that if the 600 is half as good as the 450se then i will own one...

What cowbell?
05-10-2006 01:45 PM
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Heli_J
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Location: Kannapolis, NC - USA

agree also, align trex is a good bird and surley the 600 will be too...personally, i LOVE my QJ8 and will move up to the QJ18 very soon...the 18 is a .30 sized (i think) and has the same "structure" as the QJ8 i love...

the otheres mentioned, i havent even looked at...
julian

---> Blade CP, T-Rex, MX-400, QJ-8, QJ-16 No Gass, only Electric!
05-10-2006 03:31 PM
 
 
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