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e-E-Flite Blade CP CX 400-3D > Is a CX good for training.

MARKGYVER
Heliman
Location: Littleton, Colorado

I have a BCP and have had it for some time. I have yet been able to get it to hover. I have had other people that know what they are doing get it to hover. So im pretty sure the issue is with the operator ME.
I was wondering if the CX would help me learn to hover the CP?

04-20-2006 Over year old.

Reb32
Veteran
Location: Dunnellon,FL

I never seen the CX in action so i will let the other guys that have one answer that...But if your main goal is to fly the Cp ,then I would just go buy a Sim.

On the other hand,if the others say the CX will help you learn to hover the Cp then I guess you would have more fun flying around in the house with the CX than in front of the computer on a sim..But I still say a sim would be your best bet..you can use it to practice other stuff like flips and inverted that you couldnt do with the CX.

04-20-2006 Over year old.

400HeliPilot
Senior Heliman
Location: Boca Raton, Fl - USA

In a word, I'd have to say 90% no. The similarity is the stick controls & obstacle avoidance, that's kinda where it ends (actual 13" spinning rotors and real spinning heli I give 10%, maybe that's a tad harsh). The CX type helis are too stable (fun tho, I built E-sky Lama2 & K-27 Coax helis with full seperate gear and PG03 gyros, more gyro than Blade has). Fun indoor heli, well, my Dad feels the Coax heli will help with the Blade/Bee, but he's still flying the Coax indoor while I'm fighting winds outdoor to hover the Blade/Bee (I can do many manuevers now, approaching inversion).

Blade CP needs attention to detail (pitch links, swashplate level, TX trims). Space, patience, low wind helps, AEK+Lipo is almost like cheating the diff is so big, & of course as mentioned, lots of Sim time, on a real-type controller helps too ($30 max).

Clearview is $30, lifetime updates, imports all the fancy graphics of all the pricey sims, works with any controller you can throw at a PC, and has a photo-textured Blade CP model (among 100+ heli/planes avail), with & without canopy that's spot on accurate when I attach my Optic 6 TX with a $10 GWS serial cable. It even has a XRB Lama coax, with a couple # changes behaves just like the Blade CX so you could "feel" the diff on this sim.
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04-20-2006 Over year old.

Trooper Sam
Veteran
Location: Perris, California - USA

I think the CX is good for training up to a point.

While the CX is very stable, I have friends and relatives who can't fly it a bit. And I agree, a sim is highly recommended, but the CX gives something they can't....an actual physical model that you have to keep in the air and not crash into stuff! Sims just don't give that bit of stress that a real RC vehicle, no matter how stable, does give. Learning to fly with that stress is a very important lesson.

Also, I've found the CX to give good confidence with nose in and side-in flying. Yes, you can learn that in a sim, and I do practice all that in a sim, but the real thing, right in your face with spinning blades and other considerations around you gives that little extra adrenaline that you need to learn to counter and be able to make good decisions in spite of when flying.

Long story short? It makes me feel better when I'm flying my CP, and less nervous. That's a good thing, and worth every penny.

Trooper Sam

We do not do this to save money, we save money to do this-TheRickster

04-20-2006 Over year old.

400HeliPilot
Senior Heliman
Location: Boca Raton, Fl - USA

How much is a CX nowadays?? I made my 90/10 "percentage comparison" and I'm using cheap $109 (complete E-sky Lama2 heli package, times 2 helis) for comparison. If you can snag it cheap my percentage changes in favior of the 13" Coax helis, but if its like $200...it stays, as everyone knows, not a cheap hobby.

Good points about nose in and side moves, but my guess is most would like to tail-in hover any heli and work on the rest & fix broken parts as they go (hopefully few from Sim usage). Also good point on "flying is flying" & the adrenaline rush, no matter the size. My concern is that my Dad will get false sense of security when it comes Blade CP time. I've heard others say it was as if starting again, in that respect I maintain try to obtain really cheap coax heli (Esky).

BTW, the reason some can't fly these Coax helis is the 4in1's onboard are sometimes "shaky"... (blade tightness, tracking, etc) so similar to the Blade CP there, but a show-stopper for some, which is why I gutted my Dad's coax helis and put the good ESC/gyros onboard with a computer TX with expo & revomix. It literally is on rails, you really can't crash it if you tried; can't say that about the boxed Coax helis. (I have done the same to his "Bee CP2", so apples to apples I guess).

Markgyver, you can't try the XRB Lama in the Clearview demo, but if you like the Sim & unlock it for $30, you get to try out the coax & compare to your Blade CP experience. Unsure of your PC controller tho, can make a diff on the experience...(even tho not "real", will give you idea of the diff feel before you plop any heli cash down, & I'm fond on the Sim as it has many of my models I built & they fly right).

04-20-2006 Over year old.

Squirrlybird
Veteran
Location: Suffolk, Va US

The cx will only teach you wich way to move the sticks. It is nothing like flying any other heli. I would compare it to a blimp. It is even easier to fly than a plane (plank). Training value is virtually nil.

If you want it for putting around in your living room, then that is fine. For training, get a decent sim.

04-20-2006 Over year old.

MARKGYVER
Heliman
Location: Littleton, Colorado

Okay so instead of buying a CX. I have also been looking at the DX6 transmitter. Does going to a different Transmitter make the CP handle better?

04-20-2006 Over year old.

Reb32
Veteran
Location: Dunnellon,FL

Alot of people say it does and some say it doesnt..But you have to set up a computer tx and that might be kinda hard if you cant hover with the stock one.I think that would just add more problems/frustration to your learning how to hover.

I learned to hover in a couple weeks and this is my first heli. I just got 3 battery packs and took it out to the carport and would just try to pop it up about 3 feet and control it as good as i could,, then when it started to get away from me or leave the carport (made the carport my boundry line) I would just slam down on the throttle and let it drop on the ground (well try to set it down fast) and try to remember what just happened and why it got away from me...then make sure heli is ok... I did this over and over every evening going through 3 batteries and spare parts..then all of a sudden it just clicked and I could hover.Wasnt pretty but it was hovering...just takes alot of patience and practice and you will be very pleased when you get it to hover, then your hooked for life....

This might not be the best method to learn to hover, but it worked pretty good with me.

04-20-2006 Over year old.

Renfield
Senior Heliman
Location: Anderson, SC - USA

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just takes alot of patience and practice and you will be very pleased when you get it to hover, then your hooked for life....

Second that. Everyone's learning curve is different. If your goal is to fly the CP, then fly it! CX will be a waste of $$$, as will a fancy transmitter. It took me a couple weeks of intense practice in the garage. No sims, just the CP. Something just clicked between eyes and thumbs.

I've flown my Trex with the BCP stock transmitter, and it works just fine. Computer TX lets you fix problems in heli setup with computer workarounds. Also, as your skills improve you can program some wicked idle up curves.

Heli setup is everything. If your pilot friends can fly it and think it's well trimmed, just keep at it. Patience, grasshopper.

Good luck,
George

If a duck flies inverted, does it quack up?

04-21-2006 Over year old.

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