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e-Mikado Logo 400 500 600 > Logo 10 Deluxe vs Logo 10 3D

BoneDoc
Senior Heliman
Location: San Antonio, TX

I was just wondering if the Logo 10 3D is worth the extra 180 dollars (400 vs 220). If it's worthed, I'd appreciate also if you give me a reason why.

My setup will be
ORK 1910 1Y
15C 6S 3850 batts

Thanks
Josh

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04-11-2006 Over year old.

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SBK
Veteran
Location: NE Ohio

alum swashplate, fully ballraced mixing arms, the new LLS head, lightened 3D paddles, etc. --- worth a lot more than $180.

04-12-2006 Over year old.

BoneDoc
Senior Heliman
Location: San Antonio, TX

can you really "feel" the difference between stock vs alum swash?

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04-12-2006 Over year old.

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BoneDoc
Senior Heliman
Location: San Antonio, TX

http://www.logo10.de/logo10deluxe_webseite/start.html

http://www.fxaeromodels.com/product...products_id=165

I looked it over, and the new Deluxe includes the new upgraded LLS Head. The new Stock swash has an alum inner hub. It seems to me that the only big difference is

1) Alum swash (just the outside part now

)
2) Carbon blades vs woodies
3) "Fully ball-raced" (what does that exactly means -- vs 20 ball bearings.
4) BB mixer amrs (maybe)
5) 3D blade dampeners (what's so 3D about it???)
6) 3D paddles (an easy and cheap upgrade when my skill says I'm "worthy enough

).

I don't really care about CF stabilizers, stainless steel linkages. It's just more bling to me.

I know that all the differences, when added will be > 180 dollars, but do you really get 180 dollars worth of performance difference? If so, I'm all for it. I started with a TRex SE, and I can confidently say that it was worth the difference.

Thanks for all your inputs.

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04-12-2006 Over year old.

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SBK
Veteran
Location: NE Ohio

You know, I don't know -- whether you can feel the differences or not depends on your skill level, I think.

The alum outer part of the swashplate has more precise, wear-resistance metal link balls vs the molded on plastic balls which brake easier and may be worn down quicker. But then, there are people who are perfectly happy with the plastic balls.

All ballraced joints, including the mixing arms, makes all the linkages fit well but loosy-goosy, eliminating lots of frictions. Better than using bushings in these joints.

CF vertical fin is not just for bling. It is a lot tougher than the stock plastic one, which may brake easily when the tail hit the ground on hard landings.

Of course, all these can be upgraded when "upgrade opportunities" occur.

Eventually, you will spend more than that $180, either over time in installments, or all at once for $180 now.

But, you are right, for $216, you can't beat the value for a 3D-able Logo 10.

04-12-2006 Over year old.

BoneDoc
Senior Heliman
Location: San Antonio, TX

Does Mikado use any plastic balls at all in the regular Logo 10? Ball raced means ball bearing right?

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04-13-2006 Over year old.

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SBK
Veteran
Location: NE Ohio

Two places that have plastic balls -- the plastic swashplate and the square cornered control bridge.

Ballraced does mean ball bearings, not bushings.

04-13-2006 Over year old.

Lorents
Elite Veteran
Location: Oslo, Norway

Tail blade holders have plastic balls in both versions. The 3D have plastic tail fins, not CF.

BoneDoc, seems like you have all ready made up your mind. Sounds to me like the Deluxe is for you

What comes around goes around.

04-13-2006 Over year old.

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BoneDoc
Senior Heliman
Location: San Antonio, TX

Well,

If someone can really tell me that the3D is so much better (or at least worth 180 dollars), then, I wouldn't mind plunking down the cash at all. For example, the TRex SE has all blinged out head and tail + CF frame for about 230 dollars more. I'm thinking right now, that I might be better of with just customizing my upgrade.

I can get a microheli swash for 50-60 dollars for example, cheaper than the Mikado version...

Is there someone who would say that the Deluxe is "crap" compared to the 3D?

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04-13-2006 Over year old.

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SBK
Veteran
Location: NE Ohio

Someone would say --- 3D is worth the $180 more!
Someone wouldn't say --- the Deluxe is "crap" compared to the 3D.

Here you go, BoneDoc!

04-13-2006 Over year old.

BoneDoc
Senior Heliman
Location: San Antonio, TX

Lol,

I talked to John from readyheli, and he was very helpful. It seems the biggest deal is the alum swash and carbon blades, both are upgradeable items later when the inevitable happens

.

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04-13-2006 Over year old.

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SBK
Veteran
Location: NE Ohio

That is true. There will be plenty of "upgrade opportunities" in the future.

The Mikado woodie blades actually fly quite well and only 1/4 price of the CF's.

04-14-2006 Over year old.

BoneDoc
Senior Heliman
Location: San Antonio, TX

From what other say, woodies also allow the other parts of the heli to survive crashes better... and I'm not out of the crashing "stage" yet

.

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04-14-2006 Over year old.

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Professor Fate
Key Veteran
Location: Goose Creek S.C.

"The Mikado woodie blades actually fly quite well and only 1/4 price of the CF's."

But the price is unreal for woodies, $32. I E-Mailed Heliproz/Mavrikk about manufacturing blades for the Logo10. Now if I can access my mail!

Welcome my son, Welcome to the machine

04-14-2006 Over year old.

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Dunedinflyer
Heliman
Location: Dunedin Fl

logo Woodies

Try Ready Heli Logo plastics and wood parts are Competiveive price With swift they have to be they lost the business i guess Glen at Logomania is biting his TONGUE now Dunedinflyer the swift is doing to the Logo What the Trex did to the shogun whitch ain't all bad

04-14-2006 Over year old.

BoneDoc
Senior Heliman
Location: San Antonio, TX

replacement blade is only 15-17 dollars at readyheli / grandRC

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04-14-2006 Over year old.

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Professor Fate
Key Veteran
Location: Goose Creek S.C.

The Ready Heli blades are 520mm.

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04-14-2006 Over year old.

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SBK
Veteran
Location: NE Ohio

It says 500mm:

http://www.readyheli.com/index.php?...5c2330b49f90560

04-15-2006 Over year old.