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e-E-Flite Blade CP CX 400-3D > BLADE - Important - Instructional - Interesting
 
 
Mark RyderAdministrator - Location: Encino, CA -
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Instructional
cyclicpitcher - Introduction to Blade CP Part 1 The Radio
cyclicpitcher - Introduction to Blade CP Part 2 The Rotorblades
cyclicpitcher - Introduction to Blade CP Part 3 Pitchcurves
cyclicpitcher - Introduction to Blade CP Part 4 Ready to Fly
cyclicpitcher - Introduction to Blade CP Part 5 final adjustments

Interesting
wingswest328 - World Map of Blade CP/HoneyBeeCP2/Blade CX owners

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Mark Ryder - 818-996-2222 - RunRyder, LLC
03-22-2006 Over year old.
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Gage
Heliman
Location: Seattle Wa

cyclicpitcher, has very good videos. I say everyone and anyone should watch them.
03-22-2006 Over year old.
 
 
THX1138
Elite Veteran
Location: Plainfield, IN

Good stuff here!!

Lou

You can't miss the bear!!
04-16-2006 Over year old.
 
 
yongary
Senior Heliman
Location: Lafayette, Indiana

thanks
05-20-2006 Over year old.
 
 
mrhazzard
Heliman
Location: st petersburg Florida U.S.A

wow thanks learned alot today
08-17-2006 Over year old.
 
 
wynode
Heliman
Location: South Australia

Just watched all the videos for the second time and I gotta say that is top work.

Really appreciate you taking the time to make the videos and its helped me heaps!
09-13-2006 Over year old.
 
 
rstacy
Key Veteran
Location: Rochester, NY

Nice work!!




www.kylestacy.com
Team MAPTERGY.... nuff said
09-16-2006 Over year old.
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Ktorflying
Heliman
Location: Guadalajara, Mexico

WOW! if I have saw those videos before attempting to fly it, I could save a lot of money.....some people say that if you can fly the CP you can fly everything....thanks.....
09-17-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Greenmachine
Heliman
Location: NewBrunswick Canada

Is there any other site these are on to download and save ?? .
I'm stuck on dial-up but i can get someone to download and put these on disc for me .
09-18-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Eleven_Bravo
Senior Heliman
Location: Modesto,CA

I wish I could have seen these videos before I flew my blade cp.

I bet after doing everything in these videos its not so darn twitchy anymore I seen more than a few things wrong with mine. Lots of adjusting to do tomorrow.

Great stuff
09-18-2006 Over year old.
 
 
HeloDan
Heliman
Location: Hayward, CA USA

Downloading

Has anyone figured out how to download those videos?
09-25-2006 Over year old.
 
 
jamies towing
Heliman
Location: garden city michigan

I am wondering about something, He says in the videos that the tail rotor should begin to spin up first and that he has only seen 1 that didnt, well mine doesnt but hozizon said that its not suppost to, who should i listen too? my gyro gain is truned all the way off right from the box! the tail motor spins up right with the main motor. Im not seeing any sway or turning when lifting.

so should i leave it alone or make the adjustments?
09-25-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Remyrw
Senior Heliman
Location: slidell, la - usa

as the saying goes

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
If you're not seeing any yaw or other tail related issues, and it flies properly then I wouldn't mess. Mine seems to decide at random which spins up first, and how quickly the tail spins up. It might be related to my trim setting though, since it takes less juice for the tail to start, but if I ease up the actual throttle stick it tends to spin them up together. Since I sometimes ease up the throttle without any trim when I'm inside and don't need anything like full power I have noticed it's different from when I bring the trim to half or higher THEN start adding throttle.

Remy
Practice in a sim, or it's practice fix practice fix...
09-25-2006 Over year old.
 
 
vortechZ230
Key Veteran
Location: Michigan, U.S.A.

SWEET!!! learned alot!, Thanks!, Joe
11-17-2006 Over year old.
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Stompy
Senior Heliman
Location: Northfield, MN - USA

jamies towing (but mostly everyone else reading)-
I'm a n00b, so don't take this as expert opinion. My heli started the same as yours. I'd push the throttle up, and the tail would not start spinning before the mains. Also, (and therefore) if I picked it up (before the mains started spinning), the tail wouldn't spin up to compensate for the nose turning to the left, either. So just like you, after watching those vids I started to really get concerned about whether my heli was working correctly or not.

Don't worry about it. It might just mean that you need to keep adjusting the Proportional Mix and Gyro Gain pots, but you'll only know that for sure once you start trying to scoot it, and see if the tail is drifting on you or not.

Now that I have my pots and trim adjusted correctly (I think) , the tail does in fact start spinning before the mains, but that's just the way mine is, and yours might be different. More importantly, it doesn't drift (much) in a hover. Don't forget to bring your throttle trim up to the midpoint before you power up, too, and then make certain you trim it all the way back down if you crash, and when you're done flying. And yes, set it to midpoint EVERY time. Sorry Remyrw, not to argue with you, but I believe your heli should behave the same way every time you fly it. That way, your thumbs learn to fly the heli so that you don't have to think about it any more. It becomes second nature. You don't think drift down-push up, you just see drift down and your thumbs automatically move the tiny bit required to correct. But if you spend half your time with the throttle trimmed down and the other half with it trimmed up, then you're never getting the same response from the heli at a given throttle position. See what I'm saying?

Don't get into the same spiral of doubt that got me. Trust that your heli really does want to fly. It's just up to you to make it fly better. Think about it this way...what makes it fly? Just those two blades up top spinning around at high speed. That's it. Everything else just makes it look like you know what you're doing. It wouldn't be any fun if it just went up in the air, spun around a lot, and then came back down. That's what the rest of the stuff does. If your tail doesn't start spinning until you're 6 feet up (yes, I'm kidding), it doesn't matter, as long as the tail stays put. Don't concern yourself with what it does, just worry about how it flies.

But basically, those two blades spin around, and the thing goes up. So if your blades spin, then it WILL fly. But here's the catch...you absolutely MUST spend the time adjusting it properly, or you'll have nothing but heartache.

It took me a good week of constant adjusting and test flying just to get the pots adjusted correctly. One day the tail was drifting right, the next it was drifting left, then the tail was wagging (the dog)...just back and forth, back and forth. I couldn't even follow Radd's method at first because it was drifting so much. I only very recently started flying with the canopy back on, because any time I looked at the thing funny I had to go adjust the darn pots again. Even after two less-than-gentle-but-not-rough landings. I'll never understand that. But it's worth it. Here's another catch...once you get the pots adjusted so that the tail is mostly staying put, go adjust the trims on your radio.

I've finally learned now that the more out of trim your heli is, the less flyable it is. It's not a matter of whether you're a good enough pilot to compensate for a heli that likes to turn to the left and drift forward and to the right...it actually makes the thing really difficult to control, especially for a beginner. These Blades can be twitchy enough as it is, so there's no reason to be constantly fighting the controls. I let my nitro-flying-buddy fly the Pro model in the PRE-Flight sim, and he could barely control it at all until he got it trimmed out. Honestly, he looked like me in my first few flights...just all over the place. Once it was trimmed, he (and I) really could go hands-off for several seconds. And you NEED that stability.

I know trimming isn't flying, but trying to control an untrimmed heli isn't flying either. You spend all your time trying to make it stop going where it wants, and none of your time making it do what YOU want. Plus, especially when you're just trying to hover, you need to be able to take a little break. I know I'm super huge with giant muscles and all, but even my thumbs get tired from holding them in just the right position with just the right amount of pressure for too long while I'm trying to hover. Honestly? It should be hovering itself. Spending the time to trim it properly will really pay off in the long run. And no, don't try to do it while it's actually in the air. Think of it as good landing (and takeoff!) practice. And CHECK your trims before you fly, too. The crash that cost me a pair of blades and a bent shaft was due to the fact that A) My heli wasn't trimmed properly in the first place and drifted right and B) I didn't pre-flight my trims and therefore didn't notice that my aileron trim had been bumped even further to the right. I powered up, and it prompt dumped to the right. I learned A LOT from that 30 second period of time.

I'm not saying all this to make myself look like I know what I'm doing, because I really don't. But I'm starting to get a good idea of what NOT to do. I'm saying it because we all make mistakes, but the biggest mistake is not learning from the ones other guys (or we ourselves) make. We all crash. Some of us make a habit of it. Don't worry about crashing. It's going to happen sooner or later, and it might not even be your fault. But you know what? It's not the end of the world. Anything can be fixed. So don't fear crashing. Fear flying the heli into your own face, but don't be scared of crashing. It's no big deal. Put it out of your head and just concentrate on flying. It's easier than you think, you just have to believe in yourself. Really.

Sorry, did I get carried away again? What was the question?
11-17-2006 Over year old.
 
 
jediwannabe
Heliman
Location: annapolis,MD U.S.

Stompy, I'm right behind you. I'm a newb, 3 weeks with my BCCP and I'm trying to learn all I can about these heli's. My BCCP actually flew nice right "out of the box", I flew circuits and 8's with it first day at a nice open field(alot of sim time paid off). It hovered OK, but it was windy that day so it was hard to tell how it was trimmed. A week later I tried to fly(hover) in my front yard smacked up a set of blades. Tossed a new set of blades on(didn't balance or track them) and it wouldn't lift off at almost full stick(took me 10 mins to notice the paddles on the flybar were at about 45 degrees). The tail was not steady when I spooled up, and it was leaning a little forward and left(sliding all over the driveway), but I just figured "thats a blade for ya" and tried to hover it around anyway. Second set of blades torn up and I knew it was time to trim.
I really like these video's and I thank cyclicpitcher for taking the time for making them(Great video's). I have been scared not to touch the Mix or the Gyro,(because it flew so well the first day). I actually checked my pitch/throttle curve, tracked the blades, and I might even mess with the mix and gain now that I see how it can be done(his heli was hovering alot better than mine!)
11-18-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Stompy
Senior Heliman
Location: Northfield, MN - USA

Right on, jediwannabe.

I took mine outside on Friday and suffered some freezing cold winds and unexpected winds only to discover that once again, I needed to readjust my pots. Two more sessions of tuning and trimming, and now it'll sit for several seconds hands off. I'm pretty excited about that.

Yeah, cyclicpitcher and Radd are the two patron saints of R/C Heli flight I believe.

Time for that side-in hovering jedi? :P
11-19-2006 Over year old.
 
 
gobysky
Heliman
Location: Fayette County , TN

After watching the video, I went back and readjusted some of my linkages. I liked the part where he checked his blade tracking by holding the heli in his right hand and running up the rotor with his left. Works very nicely. Just don't get hit by the blades, it might hurt.

I found that I had about 22 degrees positive pitch with full up throttle travel. I need to fly the chopper yet, but I have a feeling that's why the thing was so unstable and hard to control. It was good for my seat of the pants stick training though...

Sometimes I like flying this heli more than my Raptor 50, because of how you can crash the thing and pick it up and start over without much damage. If you can fly the Cp, you can fly just about anything. A great trainer.
11-19-2006 Over year old.
 
 
frischi_in_va
Heliman
Location: Somewhere in VA

There is alot of common sense instruction in these. It doesn't matter what you fly, watch them. You will learn loads! Especially if your a newbie.

John
11-19-2006 Over year old.
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jediwannabe
Heliman
Location: annapolis,MD U.S.

Stompy,"Time for that side-in hovering jedi? :P"
Yes it is!, I can hover tail-in(good) and nose in(ok), but side in gives me fits. FF is not a problem I have hardly ever(laugh just javing to word it like that) dumped it in during FF.
OK I have some question/s(started as one has turned into many LOL) maybe you guys can help with...
I set the "proportional" as he describes in the video, first nose was turning right at spool up, then left, and final adjustment to make the heli stay centered on a spoolup(with gyro turned all the way down).
***My first series of questions is how do you know when you have not enough, too much? or just right amount of gain on the gyro?
Should it keep the tail from moving right when you give more throttle? (I ask this question because it was hovering great(best it ever has) after tracking the blades and leveling the squash and setting the porportional... BUT the tail seemed to jump right when I applied a little hit of throttle(example: like when you have to give it a little boost when it hits its own prop wash). When I increased the gyro a small amount it seemed to over power the tail to the left constantly. Maybe someone can just "dump" what the signs of an improperly set gyro vs a properly set gyro so I know what to look for.
***Second series of questions have to do with pitch curves and ranges...
On the video he discusses these things but does not change them so here goes. You change these "curves" by adjusting the head linkages, the same little bars you track the blades with? I adjusted the length of the bars connecting the servo's to the squashplate until I liked the headspeed before the pitch began to lift the heli(Right now I always fly in "normal" mode, did I adjust this the wrong way?
How do you get a larger range? In stunt mode I have +9/-9, in normal 0 to 9.
Lastly, yes its 2:30AM EST and I'm submitting to a post on a heliforum because i'm beggining to become a "heli-junkie!"
11-20-2006 Over year old.
 
 
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