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e-E-Flite Blade CP CX 400-3D > Honey Bee CP2/ Blade CP manual?
 
 
MikeWz
Senior Heliman
Location: Long Island, NY

Can any of you link me up with a HB CP2 or Blade CP manual? I'm trying to remember how the servos get installed and I'm having a hard time of it. Thanks

Mike

"Sorry officer, with all those strobes and stickers I thought you wanted to race"
03-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
bbeverlie
Key Veteran
Location: Hudson,New Hampshire.USA

Here is a link to the Blade CP manual..

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInf...deCP-Manual.pdf

AMA#846952
03-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
MikeWz
Senior Heliman
Location: Long Island, NY

I'm really having a hard time of this. It's my first helicopter (I also have a T-rex but I'm not going to bother touching that yet). First, when I give it throttle, the servos don't seem to really be pulling down on the swash all that much. Even at 100% throttle it just chills on the ground. Light on the skids, but won't lift. When I push the elevator stick up it'll the swash tilts forward and a bit to the left. When I pull down on it, it'll tilt back and a little to the right. When I push the aileron stick right it'll move right and forward, and when I push left it'll go left and back.
It's a Honey Bee CP2 and I'm using E-flites 6-channel radio, a GWS Micro Reciever, Align 25A ESC wtih a Razor Micro V2 brushless motor, and Align Micro Servos. Any help would be appreciated

"Sorry officer, with all those strobes and stickers I thought you wanted to race"
03-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
astroflyer
Senior Heliman
Location: Milford, Nova Scotia, Canada

not sure if this is the problem or not, but if you're using servos other than the blade ones, you have to make sure they're turning in the right direction. I've seen two helis recently with similar problems and it turned out to be the front servo turning in the wrong direction.

cheers
Papa Sharptooth

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"If you're a Kangaroo, what is Grampie", I ask.
His reply:  "you a dinosaur"
03-06-2006 Over year old.
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MikeWz
Senior Heliman
Location: Long Island, NY

Still having trouble. I tried reversing all the servos, one at a time, and it didn't seem to fix anything. Do I perhaps have the channels wrong? The servo on the side (pushes the front of the swash) is channel 2, the one on the back right of the boom (side of the tail rotor) is channel one, and the one next to it is channel 6...at least on a Futaba shift radio.
Here's what the servos are doing when I move the sticks:
When I push up on the throttle stick all three move down, when I push bring it back down, all the servos push up (although in both cases it's barely anything at all)
When I push up on the elevator stick the two servos in the back move up and the one in front/side moves down. When I pull down on the elevator the two in the back move down and the one on in front/side moves up A little more than with the throttle, but they're still not moving that much (though I'm sure with the blades spooled it's a lot more than it seems.
When I pull the aileron stick right the back right servo (side of tail rotor) moves down, the left servo moves up and the front/side servo doesn't move at all. When I push left, the right servo moves up, the left servo moves down and the front/side doesn't move at all.

Also with all the servos plugged in and the linkages connected, I can move the blades/lift the paddles up and down. Is this normal?
Anything obviously wrong with this set-up? Perhaps the linkages are too long/too short?

"Sorry officer, with all those strobes and stickers I thought you wanted to race"
03-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
gd12
Heliman
Location: Dryden, NY - USA

When I received my CP2, after switching the Throttle reverse serrvo switch to reverse to get the controller to go to green LED, all the servo functions appeared to be working properly yet I had no lift. I lengthened the pitch control links by almost 0.25" to get the attack angle it needed to produce lift. Thus far, with training gear installed and having only put in about 15 minutes of "testing," it appears that everything is working as it should for at least standard flight (I plan to not even consider inverted flight for a long time). I even had it hovering (within a 3 foot square area) for about 5 seconds.

I strongly suggest looking at the BladeCP maintenance manual at http://www.bladecprepair.com and even though it is not written for the CP2, most of it applies, and what dosen't is very helpful as well.

For a "factory trested and ready to fly" heli, I had to "repair" my replacement to get it working. The first one's controller would not go green no matter how the transmitter was set. I am fairly sure the transmitter had a problem because on my FMS flilght simulator the right stick produced no effect when moved up or down. The replacement heli's transmitter worked on FMS so I concentrated on the heli. By the way, the vendor had to be pushed into the replacement, and when I told them that the replacement's controller's LED would not go green when the manual's instructions were followed to the letter, they refused to replace the replacement stating that these are quality products and have been fully tested at the factory; the problem is with me, the beginner. Although I have, with much help through forums and the bladecprepair manual, the heli working, they haven't heard the end of this issue. This heli is advertized and promoted as a beginner's helicopter and will fly "right out of the box." Plus, the warranty covers defects and the fact that the controller won't go ready when all of the instructions are being followed is certainly a defect. One dosen't have to have RC heli flying experience to power up a transmitter, plug in the heli's fully charged battery and wait for the LED to go green.

So, give lengthening the pitch control links a try, and even before that insure that the bottom swashplate is perpendicular to the main rotor shaft both left/right and front/rear.

Gary
03-08-2006 Over year old.
 
 
CaptEvo
Heliman
Location: ellenwood, ga

Do you have Manual for HoneyBee CP2, I'm specially intersted in converting the BladeCP head to CP2. I need the part numbers.
TIA.
03-08-2006 Over year old.
 
 
akshaw
Senior Heliman
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA

One thing you might try is look for pictures of the honeybee with servos installed. Try going to ebay and search or go to sites that sell the honeybee cp2.

Also, be careful when reversing servos. One of the switches will reverse throttle and if you switch it, the helis blades will start up full throttle in reverse! Unplug the main and tail motors before doing any servo reversing, and make sure to unreverse any that did not move the servos.
03-08-2006 Over year old.
 
 
MikeWz
Senior Heliman
Location: Long Island, NY

I accidentaly reverse the throttle servo but I'm running a brushless set-up and the Align ESC that I have fortunately has soft start so they spool up slowly.
I switched to a Hitec Optic 6 radio. Now I'm having an interesting issues. Instead of the servos not really moving much with collective, they're not moving much for all the other imputs..which I suppose is better and I could always up the swashplate setting to 100% and that should help.
Also...EVERYTHING seems to be reverse. When I give it throttle the servos put the swashplate up. When I pull down on the elevator the swash tilts forward and when I push it up the Swash tilts back. When I push the aileron right the swash goes left and when I push the aileron left the swash goes right. How do I fix this?

Also, do you guys glue the main blades on even though they're screwed in? I suppose I will just incase

"Sorry officer, with all those strobes and stickers I thought you wanted to race"
03-08-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Vendetta
Veteran
Location: Miami, Florida 33173

Glue them to the blade holders you mean? Dont glue the blades in if thats your question.. They recommend that the blades not be tightened too much. they should be to the point where the blades wont move if you hang it sideways but that if you tap it slightly they will budge a bit...
03-08-2006 Over year old.
 
 
MikeWz
Senior Heliman
Location: Long Island, NY

Sorry, I guess I could have been more clear. I don't mean glue the blades into the blade grips, but rather glue the pieces actually screwed onto the blades. If you take the blades off, there are still the black pieces attached to them. I know when I had a raptor it came with a seperart warning to cut away the blade covering where they are and glue them on. Apparentl you're supposed to do that on all wood blades, so I figured these would be the same.

Also, any idea why all of my controls would be backwards?

"Sorry officer, with all those strobes and stickers I thought you wanted to race"
03-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
akshaw
Senior Heliman
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA

When i set up my futaba 7chp for my honeybee cp2, I got the swash moving forward when I pulled the cyclic back and back when I pushed the cyclic forward. Turns out all I had to do was reverse the swash setting for elevator, i.e. change the sign (to - if it is + or to + if it is -). If your tx has swash settings like the 7chp does, then if you have elevator at 50%, try changing it to -50%. Same thing for aileron.
03-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
cyclicpitcher
Senior Heliman
Location: Memphis TN

One thought

One quick thought, are you sure your motor is plugged in correctly? If you plug the motor in wrong the heli will spin the blades the wrong way. It will look like its working ok but there will be no lift.

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03-09-2006 Over year old.
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MikeWz
Senior Heliman
Location: Long Island, NY

The blades are spinning the right way, as long as they put the blades on correctly from the factory. I'm positive they did because when the swash moves up and the blades went to negative pitch there was a significant amount of breeze when I held my hands above the blades.

Akshaw hit the nail on the head with the swash setting. Thanks! When my ESC for my tail motor gets here I'll see how it flies

"Sorry officer, with all those strobes and stickers I thought you wanted to race"
03-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
MikeWz
Senior Heliman
Location: Long Island, NY

(I'm retarded)

"Sorry officer, with all those strobes and stickers I thought you wanted to race"
03-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Vendetta
Veteran
Location: Miami, Florida 33173

Was it the motor?
03-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
MikeWz
Senior Heliman
Location: Long Island, NY

Naw, instead of reversing channel 1 and 2, I had to reverse channel 6 and make the Swash the opposite setting (-70% instead of 70%). The motor is spinning in the correct direction.
Now I have to run out and pick up a pitch gauge and learn how to use that...and learn how to set-up pitch/throttle curves. Hope to have it flying no later than saturday

"Sorry officer, with all those strobes and stickers I thought you wanted to race"
03-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
akshaw
Senior Heliman
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA

Glad to hear you got it working. A pitch gauge is a must have. I went without one for a long time, and after getting one realized what an important tool this is (and what an idiot I was for waiting so long).
03-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
bbeverlie
Key Veteran
Location: Hudson,New Hampshire.USA

Horizon makes a nice pitch gauge for micro's P/N EFL-H1000
$13.99 at my LHS and they should be able to show you how to use it,
If not do a search in RR and you will find threads and links to
video's! To me it's a must have for getting your micro or larger heli
set up correctly as well making sure to balance the blades and you've spent a great deal of time setting up you TX correctly don't stop
short of making sure your blades are true.

I can't say enough how important set up is with these
twitchy little buggers

AMA#846952
03-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
MikeWz
Senior Heliman
Location: Long Island, NY

Okay, everything seems to be working alright...except one little thing I can't seem to figure out. With the blades spooled up to any amount of throttle, you can see the blades moving in the correct direct, except always a little to the left. When I give up elevator, the head moves forward, and slightly to the left. When I give left airleron the head moves to the left, and slightly back. When I give down elevator the head moves back, and slightly to the right. When I give right Aileron, the head moves right and slightly forward.
At first I thought it was the linkeage rod from the back servo on the tail rotor side (my channel 6). However I don't think that can be it. When I move the ele stick up and the head went forward and left I thought the rod had to be too long, but then when I went down on the ele and the head can back and right, in that case the rod would be too short. What gives?

"Sorry officer, with all those strobes and stickers I thought you wanted to race"
03-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
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