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GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

Rhetorical

My question was rheotrical in that noone has come up with "the" answer yet but it's not just F3C that is struggling. 3D is amazingly popular right now but there is not a 3D "series" of competitions in the US with the exception of the XFC so 3D is not better in that respect. As an aside, it seems that many of the competitive series have dwindling particpation.
In my home club, we tried to have a "fun fly" series to promote interest and draw newer members in to participating (pizza box events, warbird events). It ended up with the same few guys everytime, even when we basically made the results random (no real skill involved) so anyone could win. From observation, no real data to back it up other than anecdotal, it seems that very few of the guys are willing to put themselves in a position where they can be compared to anyone else. They don't want to be a "loser" but therefore cannot be a "winner" either.
I'm kinda in the same situation as Wayne, I can 3D a little. I can fly inverted, backwards, and backwards inverted but when you start stringing things together, I sometimes get lost and have to stop and start over. I watch other guys 3D and other than the sometimes spectacular crashes ( the saying, "Noone wants to see a crash, but noone wants to miss one either!" applies here.) I appreciate the skill and presence it takes to do it but it's many times just not very pretty. I just cannot bring myself to do stuff that low and know that eventually I will screw up and plant a perfectly good model for no good reason and it's difficult for me to repair a model to the level I want it to be as that requires a lot of time.
For the first time in many years, we are having MORE, not fewer contests. The Tampa event was brand new this year and though the turnout was comparatively small, the organizer(s) have come up with some really good ideas as to how to make it grow. I plan on attending 6 contests this year (as of right now) and maybe 5 or 6 fun flys so it will be a busy year.
I can get through the new 2006 FAI maneuvers but cannot yet (if ever) make them look good. The Tampa event was great for all of us to see where we are (and are NOT <g>) and I am looking forward to the rest of the year.
I know this has nothing to do with Augusto's new CX rotor head but I would hope we can spur interest and ideas for competition period, not just F3C. As I mentioned before, there is a formal proposal for an AMA event sort of patterned after the XFC. It will be interesting to see how it is received and if it evolves.
Gordie

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
03-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
KC
Elite Veteran
Location: WA

roger copy!

good to hear you are having more competitions. the shows that are most successful out here are actually the demos.

whats hot out here for demos are of course 3d helis, IMAC monsters doing freestyle and fast FW things like Q500, also lots of 3d foamee antics...and this is at heli funflies....Todd Benett and Jason Krause are regular shows out here.

Gordie Meade and Wayne Mann would put this place on the map for sure! Come on up!!

imho the thing that will really get people into helis and competition is a showcase of different styles...more big samplers like IRCHA.....pilots easily understand their own style and being able to talk 'plank', 'sailplane', 'jet', '3d', 'pattern' or whatever their thing is helps to get across the little boundries out there with people who don't do our things

We don't have to be really good at talking the other games, just fluent enough to blend in while in Indian country.

that rotorhead looks neat!
03-09-2006 Over year old.
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whirlyspud
Veteran
Location: USA

Most people fly as a Hobby. Once you start to compete, flying becomes alot more than just a Hobby. You have to spend the time to practice. You have to spend more money on travel. You have to take more time away from other things in life. Some people can do it, some can't, and many more could care less.
Those that thrive on it will do it, those that don't won't. I think the bottom line is for most people, it just is not worth it when you add all of that into the mix.

Mike
03-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Kinger
Elite Veteran
Location: Columbus, OH

I think Mike's comments are right on the money. The competitive side of any hobby is going to be smaller than the hobby as a whole. Look at how many RC cars are sold to "backyard bashers" as opposed to true racers.

The "competition" I have in the hobby is just with myself in trying to learn new things while keeping the machine together for longer periods of time
03-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

True

What you say is true. I started competing in AMA events when I was 9 years old, CL Goodyear racing and CL carrier. I cut way back on my flying when I was in college but upon graduation, came back and have flown pretty much continuously for 35 years +. I have competed in lots of venues, CL stunt, CL rat racing and slow rat, CL combat and slow combat, RC pattern, RC Pylon, RC Soaring, RC Helis, RC Scale. I have met so many great folks over the years and like it SO much that I want others to have the positive experiences I had. In my case, it's not just a hobby, it's a part of my life.
But, as you say, it does take time and effort and both seem to be in short supply right now, both in modeling, and in our country. We have been so successful at what we have done that it's hard to sit and watch it slowly erode. However, we can only do what we can do. Thanks for the comments.
Gordie

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
03-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
nighttrain
Senior Heliman
Location: Louisville KY

Rotors

Man, I just read all 9 pages! Wayne, I too wanted to study full size for pointers. I've gotten the text on head design from Naval Test Pilot School, plus some others. I'll bring it to Camp Wayne sometime, but the reason it doesn't directly apply is Reynolds Numbers (fluid viscous dynamics). The forces are the same though and worth study. Terms have to be used correctly, and nobody has mentioned "flapping" yet. Flapping occurs at the blade tip(what Steve was calling delta), it's controlled by damping and based on geometry of the blade ball can be correcting or uncorrecting.
It has been said over and over, and again in Tampa this weekend, that Wayne has almost endless patience. I can testify: I dragged him over to my helo, he worked on it explaining as he went,and test flew it over and over and over. He put in a great deal of time, made it fly better, and got me on the right track. Man his brain really works overtime, but his results are awsome and rarely matched. It's very cool for him to spill the beans here that cost him so much effort to find out. Agusto, You're the great white hope! We're hoping to not have to plop down $4k for E3's and mod the rotorhead further. Boy I can't wait for you're new auto hub. Doug Trent
03-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
heli_jon
Senior Heliman
Location: Calgary, Alberta

Wow, I've been following this post for a while and I've got to say that I have found it very interesting. I love the techinical stuff that has come out of this discussion. And I like everyones feedback either way.

I think I just might be starting to understand how this delta stuff works and would like to thank all who have posted. I love these technical/Philosophical debates/cage matches (passion and technology is very cool).

Can't say that I have an answer to the whole contest flying question though.

Augusto great job on the head, I've always been impressed with your stuff eversince my friend harbinger showed me a set of your side frames a few years ago. Keep up the great work.

To the rest of the folks keep the info coming and keep the passion going.

Cheers.

John.
03-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
KC
Elite Veteran
Location: WA

with Gordie here...cant really call it a hobby anymore either.

like you said Mike, comp is 'out there'

but it can be brought to a theater near you,

When my buds used to have micros, we had 'hummingturd olympics'all the time, which usually lasted about 30 minutes until all of them were broken.

never thought of it as a competition at the time, and it was really fun trying to land the things on all kinds of sh1t and throwing them into the air and hitting the throttle hoping it would work...usually it doesnt.

the "smoky" is my favorite, fire up the 90s on a cool calm evening and proceed to lay down as much smoke as possible...the more 90s the better.

no one can keep tabs, no scores, and no one doesn't watch!

Such 'ambassadors' for the hobby hey the more heli pilots the merrier...prices on rotorheads will decrease as demand increases....delta 3 will someday make sense....its all part of a master plan!
03-09-2006 Over year old.
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whirlyspud
Veteran
Location: USA

I'm way beyond flying just being a hobby myself. Have been for years. I don't need a shrink, I need my own wing at the institution. I'd also like my room to have a view of the flying field.

Mike
03-10-2006 Over year old.
 
 
A. Bundy
Elite Veteran
Location: Aurora,IL. 30W/SW of Chicago

I know Mike.Mike is a true die hard no doubt.
03-10-2006 Over year old.
 
 
GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

Ooops

Apopogies to Chris for hijacking his thread concerning the new 3D head. Sorry, I was venting. Competition is close to my heart.
Wayne, interesting stuff. I always learn a lot when you, Dwight, and Cliff sit down and discuss things. Sometimes it works for me, sometimes not, but it's always informed and interesting. Thanks.
Augusto, it appears you and Paul have done your home work on this. Good luck.
Gordie

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
03-10-2006 Over year old.
 
 
RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

Lol Gordie, my feelings aren't hurt.

Chris
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03-10-2006 Over year old.
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