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Chopper
Key Veteran
Location: Stow,Oh- oops, I mean St Louis, nope Stow again

Wayne.

There are very few pilots that are flying that even know what the 'trim effect" is, yet to come up with a method of minimizing it. Even some very good 3D pilots are not aware of it. Your knowledge of head design is unquestioned by all that know anything about this sport.

I flew competetive contest for 10 years or more. This year will be my 5th year flying in the XFC. I know a lot of guys that will not enter contests because they are afraid they will look stupid by not being as good as Curtis, or whomever. They see me fly and realize that they CAN be competetive, and that 4th or 6th place at the XFC aint such a bad thing. We now have at least twice as much interest from pilots wanting to fly in the XFC as in the beginning. They can work on the maneuvers and do a nice presentation of skill and WOW.
In FAI, you can possibly hope to trade places with Nob or Gordie....if you dedicate your existence to it, you may move up like Len and break into the team circle. There just is not a lot of pay-back in the FAI circle. It is not easy in the least, and no person believes it does not take a life's ambition to be a team member. There are very few who would rather dedicate their life to be a concert pianist to perform several times a year for royalty, but a lot of people would rather be a rock guitar player who "gets money for nothing, and chicks for free." ;-)

I saw the XFC as the evolution of heli contests, and that is why I dropped out of FAI and went to 3D. There are a few more egos in 3D that sometimes get in the way, but in general, it is still a bunch of quality people.

All of the questions about the Avant, and the head, and all of your other questions will be answered this year, with results. This Avant thing is just beginning. It will be an exciting year.

Paul Soha is a Futaba Team Pilot , Aurora Team Pilot, Wildcat Team Pilot, SAB blades
03-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

XFC

Hey Paul,
Good post and you do certainly have the knowlege and experience to make very relevant statements about the current trend in participation. The XFC has been remarkably successful and seems to be growing, but is it spawning any other similar venues here in the US? It may be and I am just unaware of it which is entirely possible.
Is there anything that we can do to actively promote competitive flying, AMA or 3D? We have had very long heated discussions about it and it seems the competitive fire in the US is dying and it's not the discipline (AMA or 3D) that's killing it. I have no false hopes of ever making the US Team now, I'm too old and my reflexes have gone south but I still get the adrenaline rush from a contest flight. You want pressure, go fly the new F3C "B" schedule in front of Wayne, Cliff, Dwight, Curtis, and the rest. I actually shake before a flight and I like that. That's why I do it. If I did not get cheesed up about flying in a contest, I'd go do something else that did give me that rush, like jump out of a perfectly good airplane or race karts. But I seem to be in the minority now, something that was not true 15 years ago.
I wish I could come up with a great idea that would promote this but, alas, I am truly clueless, some say about everything.
Sorry to hijack the thread.
Gordie

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
03-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Augusto
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Location: San Diego, CA

CJames

That wasn't meant to be a slam on anyone. The same could have been said about miniature, century and even the new synergy being all made in Asia so don't think I singled out anyone because that wasn't my intention.

Maybe having lived in Florida for 25 years made me have this passionate redneck mentality when it comes to defending US manufacturing jobs. I feel very strongly about this issue and feel that this outsourcing crap will end up killing our way of life sooner or later. Guys that know me know that to get me going you just need to bring this subject about US manufacturing jobs and how I feel when I call my phone company's customer service and get some guy in India. Despite that I don't have a problem buying from countries like UK or Germany because they buy from us just the same and we have a trade balance with them so we help each other's economies and manufacturing jobs.

Gordie

I wish I knew that magic answer to that. Maybe we need to have a forum at IRCHA this year to see if we can come to an agreement on what is it that needs to be done to have a good 3D competition format.

Augusto.

Avant Aurora Ultimate
03-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
CJames
Elite Veteran
Location: Back in KC

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The same could have been said about miniature, century and even the new synergy being all made in Asia so don't think I singled out anyone because that wasn't my intention


MA parts minus things like bearings, gears, some plastic parts, Almost all the heli components are made here in the states. No diferant than Bergan.
They have some parts they make themselves, and they use several US machine shops for the rest.
In the past they did outsorce more, but as they or {any company} grows, they find ways to do more in-house and local.

Just like you Augusto or Bergan, they have to get some things from overseas.
03-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Augusto
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Location: San Diego, CA

Sabin from Hatori USA told me personally that he makes 95% of the parts for Miniature in Asia and that only recently a few things are made in the states. He also offered me to have our parts made overseas. Jason also confirmed that because it was Jason who told me about Sabin making most parts for MA. Unless they lied to me that's were MA helis are made. If that's not true then that's fine but so far that's what I was told. Despite that this is not a thread about where helis are being manufactured though and we shouldn't degenerate it on one. The subject was brought up by Waynne wanting more US manufacturers making helis. We could start one by itself on the subject although I'm not too inclined to.

Augusto.

Avant Aurora Ultimate
03-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
CJames
Elite Veteran
Location: Back in KC

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Despite that this is not a thread about where helis are being manufactured though and we shouldn't degenerate it on one.

Your right.

So what funfly will this new head be at next?
03-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Augusto
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Location: San Diego, CA

We'll be at Hunstville "sweet home" Alabama

Augusto.

Avant Aurora Ultimate
03-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
CJames
Elite Veteran
Location: Back in KC

Great! Look forward to seeing it there.
Will this head also fit or work with the 90 evo?
03-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Augusto
rrAdvertiser
Location: San Diego, CA

Yes it does as well as X-Specs and plastic freyas.

Augusto.

Avant Aurora Ultimate
03-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
w.pasman
Elite Veteran
Location: Netherlands

Tyler,

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To get an idea of the tolerances, you would have to buy 100's of the heads, make the assumption that they are all within tolerance, and then see what the variation is between them all.


To estimate their tolerances, just a couple of heads should do.
If the variance is large, that's a bad sign for the tolerance anyway.

Of course they are all within tolerance, that's per definition. They should have been rejected in the factory if they are not. If they ship something out of tolerance, they have something wrong in their tolerance check system, ergo they use wider tolerances (maybe without their knowing but nevertheless).
03-07-2006 Over year old.
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steve9534
Key Veteran
Location: yakima, wa.

Trim effect

Interesting what you have to say about uncorrecting delta. I've seen the effect of wind on my models and have asked the question here as to what is responsible for it and why. I never got what seemed to me to be a completely satisfactory answer, but it did improve with less flybar input for reasons that I can't explain. The delta offset is theoretically the answer for the problem, but the limited range of delta available on the head in question wasn't sufficient to resolve the problem. I'm also the one who thinks that a flybarless head with electronic gyros will yet replace the flybar. You're right that a rate gyro would only dampen the corrections needed for assymetric lift when the heli is in motion, but I think a heading hold, or whatever you want to call it, system that maintained an orientation until commanded to change should be very possible. It wouldn't stop drifting with the wind, but would at least keep the heli level, and the drift should be consistently with the wind as opposed to the current setups which generally have the heli going both with the wind and perpindicular to it also. Augusto: nothing I've said was intended to be a criticism of your design which looks to be as good as it gets. I don't expect every new car to have a motor with a completely new design that abandons pistons and uses some other form of motivation, and I don't expect every new heli head to be new from the ground up, either. I just was trying to make the point that Mr. Schluter, w/o the benefit of others past experience, had come up with a head design that, while subject to refinement, is still remarkably close to the best designs of today. steve.
03-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
HAT
Senior Heliman
Location: OC California

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Maybe having lived in Florida for 25 years made me have this passionate redneck mentality when it comes to defending US manufacturing jobs. I feel very strongly about this issue and feel that this outsourcing crap will end up killing our way of life sooner or later.


Hey Augusto! Aren't you driving a Mercedes Benz?

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03-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
elviswl
Senior Heliman
Location: Fort Lauderdale, South Florida

There will be at least two AVANTs in Birmingham


-elvis

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03-07-2006 Over year old.
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Ali92124
Senior Heliman
Location: San Diego, CA

HAT, I think augusto already addressed that by saying:
"Despite that I don't have a problem buying from countries like UK or Germany because they buy from us just the same and we have a trade balance with them so we help each other's economies and manufacturing jobs."
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Ali

I dont need no stiiiiiinkin signature.
03-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Royrex
Senior Heliman
Location: TN USA

People do 3D to be NOTICED. If someone does two perfectly executed
loops at a fun fly, not many people will care. If someone does
pirouetting flips 6 inches off the ground, they usually will be noticed.
It is human nature.
03-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Augusto
rrAdvertiser
Location: San Diego, CA

Yeah like Ali said I addressed that above.

Notice I drive a german car and not a japanese car and to appease my rubbed off redneck side I also drive a Dodge RAM pickup truck too hehehe

Augusto.

Avant Aurora Ultimate
03-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
HAT
Senior Heliman
Location: OC California

Augusto

Nice job on the new head.

Ali

Chill out - you don't know anything about Trade and Balance.
Are you Foo's cousin?

Sponsored by: American Express
03-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Ali92124
Senior Heliman
Location: San Diego, CA

HAT, you are right, I'm a software engineer, I know very little about Trade and Balance. However, I do know something about quotes. See those two little ticks ["] surrounding the text I quoted from Augusto. It means I was quoting someone else. That should conclude our lesson for the day
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Ali

I dont need no stiiiiiinkin signature.
03-08-2006 Over year old.
 
 
racingstripe
Veteran
Location: Sacramento, CA

The Avant head has 14 "correcting" delta offset positions as opposed to 3 "un-correcting".

I wonder if it's possible to flip the grips in order to get 14 "un-correcting" delta positions?


andy-
03-08-2006 Over year old.
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Pete Niotis
Senior Heliman
Location: Grand Haven MI, USA

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I wonder if it's possible to flip the grips in order to get 14 "un-correcting" delta positions?


That is exactly what you would have to do.
03-08-2006 Over year old.
 
 
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