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HIROBO X-spec - Freya - Sceadu - Shuttle > Feedback for Evo 90 compare to MA extreme
 
 
Raptorize
Senior Heliman
Location: Arizona, USA

Hey guys,

I currently own MA extreme and I am debating to get Evo 90. Can anyone tell me the Pro/Con over these two? I also debating to get stratus conversion kit for my extreme but I want to see the feedback about Evo 90. The only thing I know about extreme is cost factor for parts.
02-15-2006 Over year old.
 
 
jkelly
Veteran
Location: Mobile, AL

Well, I have two Freyas and two Furys. I don't find much joy in building the Fury and I'm not sure why. I think I'm biased since I've built a lot of Hirobos and it's much more familar to me. Like the Fury there are some things you will have to do to build it right but it just seems easier to build a Freya versus a Fury to me and I'm all about easy, ask my wife (just kidding ). It would be a good idea for you to fly one before buying if possible.
02-16-2006 Over year old.
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RCHeliJim
Key Veteran
Location: Orem, UT USA

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The only difference between most heli's is the pilot.
Give Henry Caldwell, Markus Kim, Alan Szabo, Mike Shrock,Zak Johns ANY heli and they will outfly a lessor pilot with any heli.
Setup and Pilot skills will outweigh any difference in heli manufacturers


Amen Tom Theres the real ticket.



Go Fly, Have Fun!!
-Team Quick UK
-Team RCHeliMag
02-16-2006 Over year old.
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Raptorize
Senior Heliman
Location: Arizona, USA

Those guys are sponsored and they will do their BEST to perform their skills. I want to know someone out there that fly on sunday and they say about those two. I have skills to built helicopter for 12 heli's in my 6 years of flying. I know MA have high quailty parts over Hirobo. What I want to know if Evo 90 fly better than Fury? I guess I just get Evo 90 and see how it flies. Nobody I know in local own Evo 90, local hobby carries Hirobo now and it convict me to buy the kit. They even carries complete parts!!!! Impressive!
02-16-2006 Over year old.
 
 
thebignickey
Senior Heliman
Location: Marietta, GA

GO Stratus I put one togeather in 5 hours less radio setup I have built 3 of them now to date joy to fly and very light and able to do anything you can think of i have and EVO 50 It dose fly nice and i have seen the EVO 90 fly as well it flyes nice but nothing tops a Stratus
02-16-2006 Over year old.
 
 
RCHeliJim
Key Veteran
Location: Orem, UT USA

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I guess I just get Evo 90 and see how it flies.


This is quite honestly the only way for you to know which of the two works better for you. Let us know how it goes for you



Go Fly, Have Fun!!
-Team Quick UK
-Team RCHeliMag
02-16-2006 Over year old.
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rdalcanto
Key Veteran
Location: Salt Lake City, UT

What kind of flying do you do?
I used to have a Fury Extreme, and liked everything about it except how it flew tail first inverted. I added weight to the tail, played with ATVS, mixs, you name it, and could not get it to track very well. The EVO90 is so easy to 3D because it goes exactly where you point it, no matter which direction you are flying or in what attitude. Add the lower crash cost and nearly indestructible canopy, and I became a better pilot over night when I switched because I was taking a lot more chances. To get it to be as quick, you will want to run 1900 head speed, so consider going OS and 7.9 ratio, or run the YS on a Hatori.

Rick

Team MRC & Magnum Fuels
02-16-2006 Over year old.
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funkyflyer
Veteran
Location: Griffith, IN.

Well, after getting my Evo 50, I have been giving some hard thought to selling my Fury and going for the Evo 90, for only one reason. Crash costs. I am almost afraid to fly the Fury, I could do about the cost of an Evo 90 kit in damage in one crash. I can't say how well the Evo 90 will fly, but based on how well my Evo 50 flys...

Wow, the ground was closer than I thought.
02-16-2006 Over year old.
 
 
DS 8717
rrProfessor
Location: Here wishing i was somewhere else

To answer your original question. The Evo 90 flys very well,it tracks straight in foward flight like the fury and is very quick on cyclic like the fury. The crash parts will be less expensive for the Evo,so it would be a very good choice for a second 90 that flys simular to the fury. DOUG
02-16-2006 Over year old.
 
 
pilotError
Key Veteran
Location: Long Island, NY

Crash Costs

I don't know if the Evo is any different, but I didn't find the Crash costs any cheaper on a Freya 90 vs. my Fury.

That's my experience with it. I was hovering inverted and put my Freya in, it tore the entire main stack right out of the heli. So there were new bearings to buy, most of the head parts, your standard crash kit, frames, and gears.

I wouldn't call it a hard or spectacular crash, but I've put my Fury's in much harder with much less damage.

Obviously, everyone has their own experience, but that was mine.

Good Judgement comes from Experience. Great Judgement comes from Bad Experience.
02-16-2006 Over year old.
 
 
jaxrotor
Veteran
Location: Jacksonville FL

I own both a Fury and a Freya 90 and can tell you that a botched auto resulting in a boom strike will cost you alot more with the Fury than the Freya The Fury will need a boom and tail drive and probably main gear thats quite expensive and the Freya will need just a boom because it usually doesnt damage the belt drive.Plus the Fury is such a quality machine you dont want to see it go down.
02-16-2006 Over year old.
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Raptorize
Senior Heliman
Location: Arizona, USA

Hmm, I appericate all this input! Look like I am going for EVO 90!!!!But in other hand I would like to keep my fury, just to see the quailty of Fury. But I am gunna fly more often with Evo since crash parts is alot cheaper. So I can learn more stunts than being worry about crashing my Fury!!
02-16-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Fernando
Senior Heliman
Location: Madrid

I own a Tempest and have flown a Fury, although it is really the Tempest the one I know better. I also own an Evo. A Freya with a Freya head and another one with a Tempest head and an Avant with a Tempest head.

Both my Freyas are CCPM. They used to be mechanical and changed to eCCPM and both have a YS 8.45. My Avant is 8.08 OS with MPII. (check my gallery). And my tempest is 8.18 OS MPII. I have been flying them for long enough to know them very well.

I am only a Sunday flier and my opinion is that the best cost effective reliable machine is the Freya CCPM without any doubt. The best performance heli is the Avant. And almost as good performance is the Tempest but mechanically much weaker than Avant or Freya.
02-16-2006 Over year old.
 
 
deafheliflyer
Veteran
Location: Arizona

hi

Raptorize,

Let us know after you fly both, how you like it!!! Let us know how you compare and contrast both machines...

Looking forward to hearing you write about your experiences.

Crash-Prone and overcoming it!!!
02-16-2006 Over year old.
 
 
SolarXtreme
Veteran
Location: Arroyo Grande, CA

Crash Cost -
All helicopters are expensive. You aren't going to be saving much in terms of crash costs. Sure the Freya frames are going to be cheaper but they are more fragile than the Fury frames. I owned a Fury Extreme for awhile and NEVER broke a set of frames. The MA is a tough ship. The tail booms can be an issue here as the Fury boom is more expensive than the Hirobo aluminum boom but MA does offer an aluminum replacement. Most of the hardware is going to be similar in cost comparison. Obviously blades and similar parts are going to about the same cost to replace.


Parts Quality -
Both MA and Hirobo are similar in terms of fit and finish and quality of parts. You can't go wrong here. As always make sure to dry-run parts assembly to make sure all parts fit together smoothly. The plastic frame on the EVO 90 may require some extra attention to remove any flashing or slight plastic warping (nature of any molded plastic) to ensure the ship is built correctly.


Building and Maintenance -
The Freya is much easier to build if you can decipher the instruction manual and make sure you catch all the side notes that are buried down in the corner somewhere. One you have assembled and disassembled the Freya enough times you will learn a lot of short cuts that can really make maintenance simple. The Fury is a much more complicated ship by design and requires a lot of work for most otherwise simple tasks. You can learn a lot of shortcuts with the Fury as well but you will find you will be spending more time performing maintenance on the Fury than you will on the Freya. It is just the nature of the high parts count and many sub assemblies (spacers, retaining collars, etc.) involved in the Fury.


Flight -
This is where the Freya EVO 90 shines. It can be setup to be very aggressive (you will want to deviate from the recommended setup) yet EXTREMLY stable. Flying in high wind is effortless with no tendency’s to pitch out in any direction. It simply goes were you put it. It is much easier to start and carry through difficult 3D maneuvers with a ship that tracks as well as the Freya does. The Fury is radical and can perform very well but can have a tendency to not "stay put" when try to fly a given line. Hirobo designs the best rotor head out of all the manufacturers to date. MA is doing some good work in the direction of the Hirobo head design with the Stratus seesaw assembly but their dampening system leaves a lot to be desired. CCPM vs. mechanical mixing between these two ships really perform very close to the same. The CCPM of course can cause some setup issues with interaction but once it is properly setup it can perform just as well as the mechanical mixing.


Upgrade -
Both ships offer upgrade paths to very nice ships. The Freya EVO can be converted into the AVANT which is a very well designed ship and flies very well with loads of power due to its low weight. The Fury of course can upgrade to the Stratus which is also a nice ship but to get the best from this ship you will want to buy additional upgrades not available in the conversion kit (seesaw, one piece dampeners and carbon landing gear).

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I picked a hell of a day to quit drinking

Avant EFX
Freya EVO
02-16-2006 Over year old.
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Raptorize
Senior Heliman
Location: Arizona, USA

SolarXtreme,

Well said and input! You have proven points between these two. I appericate all inputs you have!
02-16-2006 Over year old.
 
 
SolarXtreme
Veteran
Location: Arroyo Grande, CA

Yah I love my Freya EVO. At this point even more so than my AVANT. It's a great ship and if built and setup correctly will be simply fuel and fly.
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I picked a hell of a day to quit drinking

Avant EFX
Freya EVO
02-16-2006 Over year old.
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Raptorize
Senior Heliman
Location: Arizona, USA

Hey guys!!!

I got approved to get Evo 90 from my wife I am getting it tomorrow!!! Can anybody tell me what to look out for while I put it together? Cant wait!!! I feel like a kid that going to toy store, hehehe
02-17-2006 Over year old.
 
 
deafheliflyer
Veteran
Location: Arizona

hi

what a NICE wife you have!!! Cant wait to see it fly..

Crash-Prone and overcoming it!!!
02-17-2006 Over year old.
 
 
RC Rotortek
Senior Heliman
Location: North Yorkshire - England

It comes down to which you prefer flying at the end of the day. I steered away from Hirobo in the UK on account of their underhanded marketing of spares. By this I mean that their kits may be cheaper by far than the Xcell kits, but when I weighed up the average repair cost on a Freya compared to a Fury, it was hardly worth the bother, expense and time to change from my Fury. Hirobo parts are near as expensive as the xcell parts here. Only big bummer you have though, as stated, is the boom and tube drive cost (about 70 Pounds Sterling) on the Fury. Other than that, I worked out only a little extra for the other typical parts such as frame, main shaft, feather spindle, fins, tail boom braces and canopy/cabin too. I was pretty shocked with Hirobo prices overall compared to their kit prices.

Freya spares

Tail shaft £9.51
Cabin £45.25
Canopy ££13.25
Tail Brace Set £19.95
Tail Boom £19.75
Tail Fin Set £19.75
Main Frame £32.75
Main shaft £11.99
Feather Spindle £6.75


Fury Spares

Tail Shaft £10.95
Canopy unpainted £52.95
Tail Brace Set £21.95
Tail Boom (Metal) £23.00
Tail Fin Set £18.95
Main Frame £29.95
Main Shaft £15.95
Feather Spindle £11.95

I won't be going anywhere near a Freya Evo, I also love the light feel to the Fury and the way it locks solid in flight. The original Freya, from my own experience, felt a little heavy.

Work sucks!!
02-17-2006 Over year old.
 
 
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