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Audacity Models Pantera 50 - Tiger 50 > Tiger vs. Raptor?
 
 
nappyroots2182
Key Veteran
Location: Moline, il

well im building a new heli very soon and wondering out of all you that have both which really is better. money is no object but i want a nice heli. i know to get a raptor to fly lie i like i have to buy a bunch of upgrades. is the tiger the same way? ill get a 611 gyro, 50 hyper, and 9252 digitals. help me decide. thanks


jeff
01-31-2006 Over year old.
 
 
55crownvic
Veteran
Location: Colorado Springs

Raptors can 3D right out of the box

From what I read, the Tiger needs things like different paddles, flybar and the such.

I'm not slamming the Tiger, so dont jump my case(would someday like to have one)but I do own several Raptors and they fly great, and the parts count isnt too high, either. Price wise the Tiger is the less expensive of the two.

Just my two cents,
02-01-2006 Over year old.
 
 
dbcaster
Senior Heliman
Location: Petaluma, Ca

They are both very capable, the better heli is the one with the better pilot behind the transmitter.

Some arguments are sound and nothing more
02-01-2006 Over year old.
 
 
solidsnake
Senior Heliman
Location: Piscataway NJ, USA.

Just bought a Tiger and I can't wait to get it in the air. I also fly Raptors and as far as parts count the Raptor has more. The Tiger was very easy to build and took half the time of the Raptor.

I can't say yet which one is better but I hoping the Tiger does well.

I agree with dbcaster the pilot make a difference.
02-01-2006 Over year old.
 
 
jb_turner
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

Tigers can 3D out of the box also... Can you name a RC Nitro heli in production that cant 3D right tout of the box?
02-01-2006 Over year old.
 
 
doorman
Elite Veteran
Location: E.Berne, NY

Added Parts

The Tiger out of the "box" as sent is set up more for the beginner but it will loop and roll, but the set up is gentle/mild and wood blades.. as far as adding parts to make it fully 3D capable, when you register it you will recieve the flybar and paddles at N/C and you order the harder dampers at the same time ($20.00??) and you are ready to go... it doesn't get much easier... oh and you may want to select your favorite 600 + mm blades too....
Not a lot to change... Good Luck, Stan

And I agree with JB... most are capable of 3D out of the box, it is just HOW capapble... everyone needs a starting point, and if you want can order your upgrades right along with the heli so that you are up and ready right from the get go......

If there is a cure for this, please don't tell me about it!!!
02-01-2006 Over year old.
 
 
E J Atchison
Senior Heliman
Location: Winsted, CT USA

You won't find better customer support than with the Tiger. If your local shop doesn't have the answers you can call Audacity and speak directly to the owner! Also if you look at the Audacity posts you'll find a very helpful bunch of Tiger owners. I can't speak for your local shop, but we carry almost every part in stock.

I'll admit I'm not a great pilot, but I can hover with the best of them.
02-02-2006 Over year old.
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TUFF MUFFLER
Senior Heliman
Location: RUTLAND,VT

lets see lower parts count, great customer support,tiger 50 inspires confidence.cost less then raptor 50 and u get free fly bar and paddles when you send in the regestration form,i guess thats part of customer support.raptor 50 u get nothing u have to pay for everything u get i think there called upgrades.customer support from audacity can not be surpassed.anybody who fly's a tiger knows what im talking about.Tom
02-03-2006 Over year old.
 
 
dbcaster
Senior Heliman
Location: Petaluma, Ca

When you add in the driven tail upgrade, the $20 dampers?, the 3D swash extensions, and the spindle and grips upgrade. All items required to equal the stock Raptor. I wouldn't call the Tiger cheaper.

Some arguments are sound and nothing more
02-04-2006 Over year old.
 
 
doorman
Elite Veteran
Location: E.Berne, NY

Add On's

Actually db....
You are correct that once you add the dampers and the lsd they do cost... but the 3d balls are included at n/c and the flybar and paddles are n/c... the grips and spindle are an option that you can choose or not, depending on your skill level, but they are not required... the cost of the two machines may get close at this point, but keep in mind that there is still a lesser parts count and also the Tiger just flies better then a box Raptor right from the start... I will not argue that the SE version doesn't fly as good, because that is a nice machine, but also the price is well out of the league that we are talking here too....as far as upgrades go, there are a LOT more for the rappy then the Tiger for a reason...
So your point is well taken... thanks for pointing these things out..
I really think to equal the box stock rappy we would have to remove a few items....then maybe it would become pitchy in forward flight too....


If there is a cure for this, please don't tell me about it!!!
02-04-2006 Over year old.
 
 
hootowl
Elite Veteran
Location: Garnet Valley, Pa.

Side by side comparison the Tiger is a much more robustly built machine compared to the Raptor. The Raptor feels like a cheap toy compared to the Tiger. I had a Raptor for a couple of weeks and could not believe the following that thing has after going over how it's built. El Cheapo.

Flame Suit ON

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02-05-2006 Over year old.
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RCHeliJim
Elite Veteran
Location: Orem, UT USA

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Side by side comparison the Tiger is a much more robustly built machine compared to the Raptor. The Raptor feels like a cheap toy compared to the Tiger. I had a Raptor for a couple of weeks and could not believe the following that thing has after going over how it's built. El Cheapo.


More RR innuendo and purported fact. TWO WEEKS is not enough time to even attempt to have a valid opinion on the machine - so dont worry about the flame suit, as your light experience with the Raptor speaks for itself, making your comparison pretty weak.

Notice that I did not flame the Tiger at all - as I have not owned one I cannot make that judgement. The Raptor handles every flight move you or any pilot can throw at it - there is documented video of this all over the net - thats actual fact. General statements like "cheap toy" or "el cheapo" just show bias and lack of logical discussion. I have seen the good points of the Tiger and do not argue them. But the Raptor has many good points as well. Thats the point - finding a "winner" in these versus threads will never happen - the only real answer one can find is what is best for them.

Do I call the Tiger or Evo crap just because I fly something else? Nope. Can I expect the same logic from the general RR member? Yep. But, can I also expect fanboy lines and unitelligent and unbacked attacks? definitely



Go Fly, Have Fun!!
-Team Quick UK
-Team RCHeliMag
02-05-2006 Over year old.
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doorman
Elite Veteran
Location: E.Berne, NY

Not Enough Time....

I usually give a heli a complete season for me to determine whether I like it or not....that gives the chance to do all of the little "tweaking" that has to be done to fine tune one of these marvelous flying machines, just to make sure that everything is going in the right direction... (usually takes a couple of days!!)
So, I can say this without hesitation... I sold my Raptor and kept my Tiger.... no flaming here either.... just what works for me... oh and I also kept my EVO
Fly On..... Stan

If there is a cure for this, please don't tell me about it!!!
02-05-2006 Over year old.
 
 
hootowl
Elite Veteran
Location: Garnet Valley, Pa.

Hey it may fly great.... I don't even know cause I have never flown one so that makes me even more of a know nothing.

But I've been around and have enough experience in manufacturing and mechanics that I feel quite comfortable with those judgements.

After going over a used Raptor 50V2 I had for a while it was quite obvious it was pretty cheap. I'm not neccessarily singling it out either. It seems all of the $300 level 50 size machines have compromises to reach a price target. Looks like the Raptor has some real competition now and usually competition has to make improvements in order to break into a market that's so heavily dominated by a single product. I think you are seeing a wave of 50 class helis doing this right now so don't get a wedgy over my comments because there are other ships vying for a piece of this market that aren't as antiquated as the Raptor. Some of the prices on the upgraded Raptors seem pretty high considering the base product they come from. I think the Tiger starts off with a better base product.

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02-05-2006 Over year old.
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E J Atchison
Senior Heliman
Location: Winsted, CT USA

Ok, Raptor, Tiger, Evo, etc. (Ford, Chevy, Chrysler, etc.) I spent 25+ years in the car business. EVERYONE has an OPINION (favorite). What I told car people was "They are all good when they do what they are supposed to do, and (yes) junk when they don't". Same goes for our toys. We handle/fly them all, When we find something that doesn't pass muster we simply don't carry it.
For any of you who know RC trucks you may know about the Spider. I sold a few when they first came out, many problems. Now I keep one on the shelf as an example of what NOT to buy. It's a great sacrificial lamb, sells a lot of other trucks for me (by the way it's so bad it was discontinued after a very short production run).

Anyone out ther interested in it (NIB)?

I'll admit I'm not a great pilot, but I can hover with the best of them.
02-05-2006 Over year old.
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darkfa8
Key Veteran
Location: Eatontown, NJ, USA

just in case you had a bunch of time to read... John wrote up a 19 page dictum on the pros of the Tiger and all about it in a white paper on the Audacity website.

If you have any questions after reading that, then I'm not sure who can help you =\

- Dan G. -
02-06-2006 Over year old.
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