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Audacity Models Pantera 50 - Tiger 50 > Newbie soon to be TIGER owner
 
 
flyer2k5
Heliman
Location: Augusta Georgia

12 more days and its TIGER time!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have a few questions!

Will the Futaba 6EXH 6-Channel FM/4 S3151 Servos be sufficent for this set up if I want to run a govenor, 401 gyro w/servo and o.s 50?
Do the tiger come with a muffler? Whats the purpose of a header tank? Whats the least expensive govenor that will get the job done for a rookie. Thanks guys and gals!
01-04-2006 Over year old.
 
 
oldboldpilot
Key Veteran
Location: Southern California



Yes



To provide steady fuel flow during aerobatics/3-D

< Whats the least expensive govenor that will get the job done for a rookie>

None! You can use throttle curves which you adjust during flight testing so that with your pitch curves engine rpm stays "constant."

Manufacturer probably can recommend a starting point..

Helis are Man's Defiance of the Laws of Nature - OCHC
01-04-2006 Over year old.
 
 
oldboldpilot
Key Veteran
Location: Southern California

"yes" was answer to ?? does it come with muffler..

Helis are Man's Defiance of the Laws of Nature - OCHC
01-04-2006 Over year old.
 
 
shackscs
Senior Heliman
Location: Willow Grove, PA - USA

Correction, the Tiger does NOT come with a muffler.

Tiger 50
9CHP
Hirobo XRB
G2 Sim
01-04-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Learn to Fly
Key Veteran
Location: Yalesville Connecticut

Get a Hyper 50. Its worth the extra pennies. about 200$
Get Audacitys' PRO pipe, its real nice. 75$
401 gyro is perfect 200$ ish
I ran the 3151 servos on my first Tiger and it taught me well.
You might want another radio with more channels, later on you may want to add, retracts, lights, missles...so the extra channels will be nice. Look at a 9c super, you can get it with the 3151 servos and a receiver for around 400$

You are getting a great heli, congratulations.

Jeff


Jeff
Believe nothing you hear, and half of what you see...
01-04-2006 Over year old.
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jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

The Tiger doesn't come with a muffler. We considered this issue and just as with blades realized we couldn't win. In essence we realized half the folks out there would toss a cheapie because it would be inadequate for their needs, and the other half wouldn't want to pay for a real performance muffler (especially considering their cost). Of course no muffler is truly free, you pay for it regardless of whether it's rolled into the price, or not, so we instead decided to offer a 50-class model at a 30-class price and part of the way we do that is to leave the muffler decision to what works for your budget.

We offer a $19.99 PDR0068 2-pc muffler and a $74.99 PDR0053 Promuffler. Both are available to fit the Tiger (and other 50-class helis).

On the one hand, the 2-pc is nicely suited for a standard 50SX, especially if the modeler is intent on learning to fly and/or just wants to fly around for fun. Performance is on par with ordinary 1-piece units (all designed for 46-class engines which have been relabeled as being for a 50 - which are what dominate the market). This is a pretty decent choice if the budget is tight because it'll get you in the air while you're learning (or until your skills advance to the point you can tell the difference). This unit works particularly well for scale applications (where he rotor disk is run at 1650 RPM or less) and is nifty because the exhaust points straight down so it's very quiet and easy to plumb the exhaust straight out of a fuselage.

On the other hand, the Promuffler is designed specifically for the 50SX Hyper, and is a true 50-class performance exhaust system (i.e. one which allows the engine to breath and performs optimally). The fact is, the overwhelming majority of so called 50-size mufflers are identical to what was offered for the OS46 (before the OS50 ever became available) and are in fact simply re-labled as 50-size mufflers because they would bolt up. This situation is exacerbated by the Hyper which is in a whole other class of power and thus, the Promuffler shines because the Promuffler is designed specifically for the Hyper!

The reason a system which is designed for the Hyper is important is because it allows the Hyper to breath, and this is important because of the class of maneuvers 3D mavens using the Hyper are performing. I.e. maneuvers which are especially demanding of the engine in the mid-range and on the top end. The Promodeler muffler is particularly well suited to the all important mid-range because it's where the engine spends large amounts of time and where it really needs to makes its power. This is important because the mid-range is where the engine is most in need of the engine's maximum torque because the rotor disk wants to slow down (during maneuvers which load and unload the rotor disk - like piro-flips and tick-tocks).

These are maneuvers where the engine is transitioning through the mid-range (precisely where narrow-band tuned mufflers usually fall flat on their faces because those types are tuned for maximum RPM only) and on top of this, those types are unusually touchy with the needle settings to boot! Not to take away from these types of exhaust systems, they are superb on the top end, but you can't get something for nothing, and their high end boost of the power comes at the expense of the mid-range. This is unfortunate because the mid-range (where the tuned mufflers are somewhat muted in response) is exactly where you need the power!

Hence, mid-range is arguably the most important area of the power band and helping the engine make peak torque in the mid-range helps make power-sapping maneuvers like tick-tocks and piro-flips easier to perform because you can maintain the acceleration of the rotor disk. Folks, as all hotrodders know, peak horsepower is pretty on a plotted curve, but torque is what keeps a rotor disk spinning. With the Promuffler, we tested empirically and designed for maximum torque production. As a result, you get very good top-end power, superb mid-range power, and along the way, the engine is easier to tune and adjust and doesn't fall flat in the mid-range.

Want proof of all this? Use an optical tachometer and observe the rotor disk as a model is piro-flipped or performs tick-tocks and you'll see that the disk really slows down, in some cases quite a bit (even with a governor) and thus, the rotor disk must be re-accelerated back up to speed to complete the maneuver. Next, observe the collective stick on the transmitter and you'll see the engine is actually spending quite a bit of time transitioning through the mid-range for much of the maneuver. Naturally, since you can't even get to the top end power range without first going through the mid-range, the importance of excellent throttleability and mid-range power is of prime importance. Plus, overall, the model spends much more time in the mid-range than in the top end of the power curve. Hence, the reason we optimized the Promuffler for mid-range torque production!


John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models
01-04-2006 Over year old.
 
 
flyer2k5
Heliman
Location: Augusta Georgia

So, the governor is not needed in my initial package as a rookie? The 6 chn radio will be enough and the 20 dollar muffler is ok and can be perchased from Audacity when I get the Heli?? What percent nitro should I start with can someone explain the difference? Will I need a remote glow plug? This is the setup so far!!!

Tiger 50 W/ $20 muffler
O.S 50
Futaba 6EXH 6-Channel FM/4 S3151 Servos
futaba 401 w/servo
Nitro 15% or 30%

This is the starter kit I will be purchasing from Heliproz http://www4.mailordercentral.com/he...p?number=131635
Anything this kit is missing that I will need to get started. I dont want to meet my instructor on the first day short handed!!!

Sorry for all the questions!!!! Thanks
01-04-2006 Over year old.
 
 
darkfa8
Key Veteran
Location: Eatontown, NJ, USA

15% nitro fuel is more then adaquate and will save your money.

only goto the 30% if you have money to burn or you're gonna do hard-3d and need the most power out of that engine possible.

- Dan G. -
01-04-2006 Over year old.
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Foxden
Key Veteran
Location: Port Charlotte, FL. USA

If you going to run the OS50 SX-H 15% should be fine, if your going to go with the OS50 HyperI would run the 30%, I run Wildcat 30% Curtis blend on all my hyper 50's YS61's, YS80's and YS91's, after switching over from running 15 cases of cool power 30%, the engines didn't seem to mind the new wildcat at all.

I've already burnt 2 cases and I'm into my third. Jerry at Wildcat and Curtis have an excellent fuel.

Clyde Fox
Port Charlotte FL
RJX of USA Field Rep
Team Rotorworkz
Morgan Fuel Rep
01-04-2006 Over year old.
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E J Atchison
Senior Heliman
Location: Winsted, CT USA

John where do you find the time to write all this? Good info. You should have it on a notepad so you can just copy and paste.

Flyer2k5, congrats on your (soon to be) new Tiger. Take your time and have fun! I'm with Foxden on the fuel, love the Curtis.

I'll admit I'm not a great pilot, but I can hover with the best of them.
01-05-2006 Over year old.
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moorecj98
Senior Heliman
Location: na

Run the 30% because its only like $3.00 more a gallon where we live at
01-05-2006 Over year old.
 
 
jvanscoyk
Veteran
Location: Tucson, AZ

Flyer2k5

Just to re-affirm a few things.

6 Channel radio is adequate, if money is no object go for a 7 or 9 channel.

Governor....not needed. Nice toy to have later.

Cheapo Muffler...OK for now.

3151 Servos....More than adequate for now.

GY401/9254 Servo Combo...Very good combo.

Woodies that come with kit...Great to learn on.

30% CoolPower or Wildcat...If money is tight 15% is fine to learn on.

Header tank...Not needed. Tiger already has a big tank. Header tank helps with a more consistent fuel supply when doing 3D. Get it later.

OS 50Hyper...Very nice engine. If money is tight OS50SXH is also a very nice engine and a little more user friendly IMO.

I hope that helps.
What area do you live in? Maybe one of the guys on here lives near you and can help you get the Tiger into the air.

Jim

must go faster, must go faster.........
01-05-2006 Over year old.
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jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

I have a different take on nitro whilst learning. Follow this link:

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t225182p2/

There . . . my 2¢ and I don't have to write it all over again. Onmce our new Audacity website is up I'll my time and gather my thoughts for better details and write a white paper for beginners.

My 1/2¢


John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models
01-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
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