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Audacity Models Pantera 50 - Tiger 50 > Anyone using Airtronics RD6000Super w/Tiger?

55crownvic
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Location: Colorado Springs

Thinking about getting the Tiger to add to my collection of Rappies, but am using the RD6000 Super, and the Raptors are not ccpm. Can anyone give advice on the set-up procedures?

Thanks.................Dave

12-29-2005 Over year old.

55crownvic
Veteran
Location: Colorado Springs

No-one??? Gotta be someone running the Airtronics setup.

01-07-2006 Over year old.

2LTime
Veteran
Location: Walworth,NY

I used my Super on a CCPM Voyager for a while. It seemed inadequate. It lacked the ability to dial in all servos to get equal travel. If you got CCPM servos that were PERFECTLY matched it might work adequately.

Jeff

01-08-2006 Over year old.

jbeech
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Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

55crownvic,

Setting up a CCPM heli is as easy with the RD6000 as it is with others.

First, make sure you select the swashplate mode appropriate for CCPM. This ensures the servos move in the proper direction. Contact me and I'll walk you through it pal.

Anyway, here's the nickle tour. First, use a 20 mm arm on the two aft servos and a 23 mm arm on the forwardmost swashplate servo. Next, make sure the ATV value is 100% for all three servos. With Futaba radios you'll use the Swashplate AFR menu for travel adjustments, I suspect the RD6000 has an equivalent menu.

Folks, we've flow Tigers with everything from el cheapo Futaba S148 analog servos through S9252 higher speed, higher dollar digital servos. Sure a faster servo is better, but this is the case regardless of the heli you're flying (duh).

Somehow it usually seems the only people yapping about perfectly matched servos are either people without CCPM helis, and/or little or no experience with them. About here someone will jump in all offended, but I doubt they'll have much real-world CCPM experience (or they wouldn't be pushing that tired old nag of a non-issue). Furthermore, I bet all he probably owns is a Raptor, and unsurprisingly, why are they cruising through here and pushing that tired old story? And want a real laugh, watch how quickly all the CCPM business changes in a few months when the new CCPM Raptor V3 arives (we have spies too, you know)! Anyway, before long ColinB and his Dad will jump in but fortunately, everybody knows these Canadians have an agenda. Finally, if CCPM and servo matching was more than just smoke and bull, i,e, a real issue, then let's ponder this one . . .

"When's the last time a non-CCPM helicopter won the United States Nationals? And gee, has a Raptor ever won it?"

In my opinion, the RD6000 is plenty of radio my friend, and I seriously doubt you've encountered a model, i.e. the Tiger 50, with which it won't work fine with. Like I said, give me a call, I'll help you, or I'll work to find someone who can.

Anyway, visit our website, download the Tiger 50 instruction manual (and while you're at it, get the latest addendum sheet and review it.

http://www.audacitymodels.com/T50manual/index.html

John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models

01-08-2006 Over year old.

jvanscoyk
Veteran
Location: Tucson, AZ

CCPM is easy

To start I do not have any experience with the RD6000.
I cannot imagine that the CCPM setup is that radically different from other radios.

I have used both the JR 8103 and 9303 radios in a JR Voyager 50 and a Tiger 50. They program differently but the end result is the same.

I'm sure that collectively we could help you get that radio going so don't be afraid to ask.

Jim

must go faster, must go faster.........

01-08-2006 Over year old.

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2LTime
Veteran
Location: Walworth,NY

Here's what I meant. The JR radios I've seen have end points for each of the three servos on the swash AND a travel volume adjustment for Ail,Ele, and collective travel functions. On an RD6000 Super, Your ail,ele and collective end points are the only way to adjust each servos travel. So you are trying to balance getting the throws you want while still matching the travel of the servos. In my case I was using JR non-digital high end servos ($110). One was a little off and it was impossible to get the swash to travel level from one end of the collective to the other. It was noticeable in flight. I am "Yapping" about perfectly matched servos because from my little experience this is what it would take to get this radio to make it work. I am not the importer of any model either so I believe I probably have less of an agenda than the salesman. I have a bunch of his great videos but he may not be real familiar with this radio.

Jeff

01-08-2006 Over year old.

55crownvic
Veteran
Location: Colorado Springs

OK Guys Thanks!!

That will help. If needed I will give you a call, John! First, tho, I have to get the heli

Dave

01-08-2006 Over year old.

jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

Here's how you match the servos. First you leave the ATV alone at 100% like I said above. With Futaba radios (and I suspect JR and Airtronics as well), the side-side (aileron) and fore-aft (elevator) throws are set with the Swashplate menu . . . not with the ATV (so far, just like Jeff smartly points out).

But folks, here's how you balance things out in your CCPM helicopter. AFTER you've set your pitch curves, and AFTER you've set your basic throw using the Swashplate AFR menu, you then fine tune things with the ATV for each servo.

It's simple. With the head removed place a swash level tool down over the swashplate. Then go to max pitch and use ATV on the appropriate servo to fine tune the throw by making the swash level. Next, go to minimum pitch, drop the swash tool against the swashplate again and once again use ATV (on the other end of the throw) to fine tune the throw (i.e. make the swashplate level).

Bingo, you're done and your throws will be consistent throughout the range. There's no mystery to setting up a CCPM heli. CCPM differs in no respect from a conventional setup except:

A) Before begining the setup, you first select CCPM from the menu before making any programming changes.

B) Throw changes are performed in the Swashplate menu, not with the ATV as we do with linkage helis

After that, just like your usual good setup practice, all servos must make as perfect as possible a 90° angle between pushrods, linkages, and servo arms - when at their neutral position, i.e. 0° pitch.

Finally, here's a real nice thing about CCPM setups. You don't need specialized servos anymore because the servos in CCPM employ the team concept. I.e. they work together to perform the individual functions. The benefit of this is you no longer need a superstar, i.e. a specialized (strong) servo for the collective function (like old fashioned mechanical mixing systems employ) because three ordinary 50 ounce servos combine to provide collective. Their combined effect is additive, i.e. the net result is like having a 150 ounce servo on collective (50 ounce + 50 ounce + 50 ounce = 150 ounce), understand? This is the reason the CCPM helis have that great "pop" to their collective response which the top fliers prefer.

John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models

01-08-2006 Over year old.

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