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jimmyhua
Veteran
Location: Guam

On the Hawk SE, I didn't do anything to the starter cone. I received that particular heli that way.

I know the Falcon that Frank has was the one I made the change on.


And here I was taking apart that heli thinking it was built by a master heli builder!!! Trying to learn the tricks of the trade.

Btw, the other weekend, I was flying around that Hawk SE. And you'll never guess what happened.

John goes, "hey you forgot the glo plug starter on the heli." And I go, "No, I'm sure I didn't forget it, I feel it in my pocket." "Then what's that thing dangling off the side of the heli?"

"I dunno, must be the charge cord you're seeing."

Several high speed passes later. John goes, "bring it closer and piro-ette it around. " So I did, and what I saw, I almost pee'd in my pants.

The header tank was dangling by just the fuel line attachments. Boy did I land that thing real quick.

Well, Frank the only other heli flyer wasn't around, so no spare parts. Anyways, I took the bolt off from the "anti-rotation bracket" and used it and continued flying .

I knew that thing had some sort of usefulness to it .

To be honest, I couldn't tell the difference in the way the heli flies w/ and w/out the anti-rotation bracket. Mainblades (FRPs vs. Woodies) make a much bigger difference.

Jimmy
09-29-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Ray Fernandez
Elite Veteran
Location: Guam (U.S.A.)

Jimmy,

Luckily John was able to see the dangling tank. Surte would have been ashamed if that heli took the plunge.

I also figured out the causeof the vibration on the tail of my Falcon. Seems the RPM is just too way high. I lowered the RPM and the heli seems to be flying considerably well now.

Ray Fernandez - GUAM
09-29-2002 Over year old.
 
 
corey11
Elite Veteran
Location: Bay Area, California

Alright, i got it fixed. Thanks for that Ray.Now, i have 2 more problems, when i try to start my engine, the little hex adapter gets REALLY hot. it gets so hot that when i like my hands and touch it, it sizzles. seriously, it does. why does it get so hot????

And when my engine does start, the main blades dont engage when i give it throttle. they just sit there and dont move. i have a hex adapter in my drill. the drill is fast and strong enough to start the engine. i have the drill running in reverse. Thats correct right? Please help me.
Thanks
Corey
09-30-2002 Over year old.
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oldfart
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

running but not turning blades

Corey11,

I believe you had posted similar questions in the main discussion group and I had answered saying that the problem was probably that you were too rich and trying to start a flooded engine. Your last post seems to emphasize that.

If your mainblades do not turn after the engine starts and the tail blades do, that means one of two things.
1 - The auto bearing is installed upside down - this I doubt because it now comes preassembled in the maingear.
2 - The engine is so rich that it starts running backwards!!!!

Phil
09-30-2002 Over year old.
 
 
corey11
Elite Veteran
Location: Bay Area, California

I dont think it was me that posted that topic. but i remember reading it. Should i adjust the low needle, or the high needle?
09-30-2002 Over year old.
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corey11
Elite Veteran
Location: Bay Area, California

And what are the settings are good for a BRAND new engine?
09-30-2002 Over year old.
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Ray Fernandez
Elite Veteran
Location: Guam (U.S.A.)

Corey,

The reason the little hex adaptor gets hot is because of the friction that goes on between the starter shaft and hex head. I use to have a similar problem and everytime I go to reset and align the adaptor, I get the the "ouch" effect. That's why I switched to the cone start.

Phil may have the answer reference to the blades. Your engine might be going backwards.

Ray Fernandez - GUAM
09-30-2002 Over year old.
 
 
corey11
Elite Veteran
Location: Bay Area, California

ya im thinking it is starting back wards. my drill has to be in reverse right?
09-30-2002 Over year old.
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Lift
Elite Veteran
Location: Houston, TX

Corey,
Our glow engines run counter-clockwise when looking at the crankshaft.

OS .32? Try turning your low end needle clockwise 1/8.

A good test of low end is the sound. It should idle with a slight "gurgle" to it. Also, pinch the fuel line while idleing right before it goes into the carb. You should be able to count ("one-thousand one, one-thousand two, ......") to 5 or 6 and it should die or be close to dieing. If it dies at say 3 seconds then open the low end a tad. If it dies at 7 seconds then lean the low end a tad.

Got it?
09-30-2002 Over year old.
 
 
flyboy
Elite Veteran
Location: California

It took me longer to read these posts than it would to fix and completely eliminate your problem with the slipping starter attachment. Do what the last million people have told you, clean it, file it and loctight the screws into the attchment. You can get aftermarket attchments with two screws in them, but I think that it is overkill. Sit down take the three mins. fix it and move on!!!! If you take the several mins. to do it right you will NEVER be bothered by it again. Simple enough...............

"Smart people, suround themself with even smarter people. When advice is needed they are intelligent enough to ask for it, and they don't need to waste a lot of time questioning its validity?" FB
09-30-2002 Over year old.
 
 
jimmyhua
Veteran
Location: Guam

 1 - The auto bearing is installed upside down - this I doubt because it now comes preassembled in the maingear.

Heheheh! Been there, done that! Bring up the throttle, and watch that tail rotor spin like mad! Drop back to idle, and watch the tail rotor spin with the idling engine. Doh! I just changed out the maingear! Must have put something back on backwards!

2 - The engine is so rich that it starts running backwards!!!!

Heheh! Did this one too (actually it still happens every once in a while)!!! Start the heli up, and watch the tail rotor spin with idling engine. Crank the throttle up, and the engine only speeds up slightly, along with the tail rotor.

Unfortunately, with the OLDER OS32SX, the stock carb is built in such a way, that you have to run the idle mixture super rich. I think this is fixed on all the newer OS32SX's. On the pinch test, my engine will idle normally close to 8 seconds, speeds up and dies at around 12 seconds. Go for 3 seconds to speed-up on the newer OS32s.

Red loctite doesn't work for everybody, cuz if you use the electric starter
for any significant amount of time, the hex adaptor will heat up greatly. On a poorly tuned engine, you spend gobs of time cranking away at the starter heating that poor little hex adaptor even more.

Once you get that engine tuned in though, you won't spend nearly as much time cranking away at the starter. Mine only gets warm to the touch (less than 3 seconds to get engine started for the first start of the day, and less than 1 second for subsequent startups). This is when red loctite works well (okay, maybe overkill now ).

How fast is your drill rpm's? Needs to reach 2000 rpms (for your own sanity), the regular hi-torque starters you buy usually run at about 3000-4000 rpms. I know the cheap portable drill I got only goes to 800. And yes, I have managed to start it up with this, but it's not fun (lots and lots of cranking).

It is a wonderful feeling to let go of the starter, and watch the engine slow down to its idle speed, instead of what the starter was driving it at .

Jimmy
09-30-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Mopzilla
Veteran
Location: Cupertino, CA USA

Mine starts on the first squeeze of the starter! A slightly leaner engine starts much more easily. If you don't do a lot of idling (like me) then you can keep it slightly lean, have a high idle (but not enough to get the blades spinning) and have instant starts. It's real nice because at least with me, my back starts to kill me if I'm on my knees supporting my body and starter because i'm leaning over the heli without leaning on it... stretches that muscle on the back.

the hex adapter gets very warm... especially if the engine is flooded! you can lean the idle a bit to help it start faster.

a starter isn't that expensive... i mean if you got money for a few helis 50 bux for a starter/12V batt isn't that much!

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Ever stop to think, and forget to start again?
10-04-2002 Over year old.
 
 
corey11
Elite Veteran
Location: Bay Area, California

ive got a starter that will start the engine. i got the problem fixed. thanks to some jb weld! my engine was brand new. thats why it was a pain to start. ive just now started the breaking in the engine
10-04-2002 Over year old.
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