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Radio - JR & Spektrum DSM > I found where to buy Spektrum's DX6 sport Heli system 2.4 Ghz/NO CRYSTALS
 
 
piranhatoys
Heliman
Location: Bellflower, Calif

Playtime Hobbies 1(562) 925-0212 only for micro/heli
12-13-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Saint728
Elite Veteran
Location: Sydney Australia Sponsored by: Quick UK

Too bad they don't have a 9 channel transmitter available? 6 channels aren't enough for a helicopter.

Take Care,
Cheers, Patrick

MA Fury Extreme,YS 91,MPII,V-Blades,601
Raptor 50 SE,OS50 Hyper,MPII,QUK Head,TT600 Blades,601
12-14-2005 Over year old.
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dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

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6 channels aren't enough for a helicopter.


Since when?

Throttle
Collective
Roll (ail)
Pitch (ele)
Yaw (rud)
Gyro Sensitivity

Six, seems to cover the required channels for any heli.

Don't tell those using the T6XHs, JR 662, JR 6102 or some of the other six channel heli radios that they don't have enough channels......

The Spektrum is only recommended for park flyers and micros -- not your average everyday nitro heli. From the DX6 review on Horizon Hobbies site:

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The Spektrum DX6 is a 6-channel computer system designed to be flown exclusively with parkflyer airplanes and micro/mini helicopters.


(I added the emphasis to "exclusively").


Dave
12-14-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Saint728
Elite Veteran
Location: Sydney Australia Sponsored by: Quick UK

What about governor channel? I bet you don't even own a 6 channel transmitter right? Most people buy a 9 channel transmitter, even though you don't use all 9 channels.

Take Care,
Cheers, Patrick

MA Fury Extreme,YS 91,MPII,V-Blades,601
Raptor 50 SE,OS50 Hyper,MPII,QUK Head,TT600 Blades,601
12-14-2005 Over year old.
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helihell
Senior Heliman
Location: Canada

on an electric micro you do not need a governor channel as that can be taken care of within the ESC, as long as it is a brushless setup.
12-14-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Saint728
Elite Veteran
Location: Sydney Australia Sponsored by: Quick UK

The point is, why would I want to buy a 6 channel transmitter when I already have a 9 channel transmitter? If I want the Spektrum's 2.4 GHz system, I can just buy the module and receiver than add it to my existing transmitter.

Take Care,
Cheers, Patrick

MA Fury Extreme,YS 91,MPII,V-Blades,601
Raptor 50 SE,OS50 Hyper,MPII,QUK Head,TT600 Blades,601
12-14-2005 Over year old.
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nivlek
Elite Veteran
Location: Norfolk England

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If I want the Spektrum's 2.4 GHz system, I can just buy the module and receiver than add it to my existing transmitter.


Who is selling that then ?

At the end of the day , it gets dark .
12-14-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Saint728
Elite Veteran
Location: Sydney Australia Sponsored by: Quick UK

Don't know who sells them, but I'm sure they will be available soon as they are already available for the car transmitters now. http://www.modelflight.com.au/spektrum_dsm.htm

Take Care,
Cheers, Patrick

MA Fury Extreme,YS 91,MPII,V-Blades,601
Raptor 50 SE,OS50 Hyper,MPII,QUK Head,TT600 Blades,601
12-14-2005 Over year old.
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dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

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The point is, why would I want to buy a 6 channel transmitter when I already have a 9 channel transmitter? If I want the Spektrum's 2.4 GHz system, I can just buy the module and receiver than add it to my existing transmitter.


Apparently your post about six channels not being enough was just a red herring as you really wanted to flaunt your 9-channel TX and dismiss all of us who own six, seven, and eight channel systems, and fly helis quite handily with them.

You intend to just buy the TX module and RX. Why not just buy the whole system, take the TX module out of the TX and put it in your existing TX, then toss that "useless" six channel TX?

Yes, I DO own a JR 662, six channel transmitter. I used it in my helicopters until I replaced it with an 8103 a couple of seasons ago. Now, it has been relegated to fixed wing service.

I don't suppose you ever had to fly a collective pitch machine without a gyro, using only a standard five channel airplane radio with no computerized mixing, having to rely only on mechanical mixing to work the pitch, throttle, and TR compensation. That was common practice in the early 1980s as shown in this photo of me and my Schluter Mini Boy. The radio is a Futaba FP-5FN system. Five channels, no gyro, all mechanical mixing in the heli.



And frankly, a governor is not a requirement. It's nice, but my three Calibers, an EVO and a Freya fly quite nicely with properly set up throttle and pitch curves. Even my two T-Rexs fly just fine with a standard throttle arrangement as the governor mode in the CC ESCs isn't that good anyway.....

As was pointed out, the ESC that runs the motors in an electric heli usually contains a governor function. Plug the ESC into your battery, your RX, and your motor, and with ONE channel you get power to the RX, throttle for the motor, and your choice of a standard throttle setup, or a governed throttle, depending upon how you program the ESC.

Dave
12-14-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Saint728
Elite Veteran
Location: Sydney Australia Sponsored by: Quick UK

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I don't suppose you ever had to fly a collective pitch machine without a gyro, using only a standard five channel airplane radio with no computerized mixing, having to rely only on mechanical mixing to work the pitch, throttle, and TR compensation. That was common practice in the early 1980s as shown in this photo of me and my Schluter Mini Boy. The radio is a Futaba FP-5FN system. Five channels, no gyro, all mechanical mixing in the heli.


Dude, I may be old, but not that old, lol. I didn't know RC helicopters existed 4 years ago. Really I find no need to go with the Spektrum 2.4GHz system. I think the standard one I'm using now is good enough for me. There is nothing wrong with a 6, 7 or 8 channel transmitter, but if more then 6 channels aren't necessary then why are all the top flyers using 9 to14 channel transmitters and not 6?

Take Care,
Cheers, Patrick

MA Fury Extreme,YS 91,MPII,V-Blades,601
Raptor 50 SE,OS50 Hyper,MPII,QUK Head,TT600 Blades,601
12-15-2005 Over year old.
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Eury
Elite Veteran
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

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Really I find no need to go with the Spektrum 2.4GHz system. I think the standard one I'm using now is good enough for me. There is nothing wrong with a 6, 7 or 8 channel transmitter, but if more then 6 channels aren't necessary then why are all the top flyers using 9 to14 channel transmitters and not 6?



Then you are not the target market. I used to fly my T-Rex in the park, and worry about someone turning on a transmitter and making me lose control, or me causing an incident with someone else. That is the target market.

And your question about why the top flyers aren't flying 6 channel transmitters is just plain ignorant. If you can set up a good throttle curve, there is no reason to have more than 6 channels on a regular heli (scale ships are an exception due to retracts and other cool gizmos). Yes, it's nice to have more channels, but not necessary, especially in the market that this TX is aimed at. No one is going to set up their new Freya on this TX.

Your question makes as much sense as someone asking if nice airbrushed fiberglass canopies aren't necessary, then why are all the top fliers running them? Because they can. That's why. Since when was everything that the sponsored pilots are running necessary? I'd bet $1000 that I could hand the TX to my lowly Hawk Pro (which doesn't have a governor) to Szabo, and he'd out fly 99% of us with our choice of equipment. It's the guy with his hands on the controls, not the controls themselves.


Nick Crego
As I wind on down the road...
12-15-2005 Over year old.
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

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but if more then 6 channels aren't necessary then why are all the top flyers using 9 to14 channel transmitters and not 6?


Possibly because of perception. If Alan Szabo, Curtis Youngblood, Jason Krause, Todd Bennett....were flying JR 8103s right now, would they be considered "top pilots"? They wouldn't be flying the "new", "good stuff". If you've ever seen these fellow fly a heli that's not theirs, maybe one a student owns (with "inferior" equipment) they make even those machines fly great. It's not really the equipment or the number of channels one has, its the brain connected to the thumbs that makes a great flying heli.

Possibly because many of those "top pilots" are factory sponsored. Futaba would look silly if one of the top flyers in the country, and one of their main sponsored pilots was flying his heli using a 7CHP, instead of a 14 MZ. You get the name, you get the perks that go with it.

Advertising and Ego. How many helicopter pilots out there buy their radio, or motor, or heli simply because "X" is flying on one the contest circuit? The perception many of us have is that if we use the stuff the big guys use, then we will be able to fly just like them. But it doesn't work that way. It does, however, get your cronies to gather 'round you at the local field because you are the only one who has a 14MZ or a Vibe, or a Synergy. Problem is, unless you continue to be the guy with the latest toys, someone else will come along and steal your spotlight at the field. The guy at the flying site right now with a Stratus gets all the oohs and ahs, but the day else someone shows up with a Synergy (which apparently would still be classified as a miracle), the Stratus flyer will be yesterday's news. Fame is fleeting.

Possibly because a lot of those "top pilots" are also the Beta testers for technology that we eventually end up seeing and using. You don't think the new OS 91 was simply released to the general public before the big dogs got to wring them out, evaluate, and offer feedback to OS, do you.

And, they can afford to fly the latest and greatest. If I had the chance, I'd do it, too.

Dave
12-15-2005 Over year old.
 
 
JKos
Elite Veteran
Location: Town of California in the state of Maryland

> I can just buy the module and receiver than add it to my existing
> transmitter.

> but I'm sure they will be available soon as they are already available
> for the car transmitters now.

It has been stated in other threads on this radio that there will be NO modules made for currently existing radios. Perhaps JR's answer to the 14MZ will use this technology. That would be very nice.

I'm very impressed with what you get for only $200 with this DX6 package. Tx with NiCds, rx, and four servos. The rx only weighs 7 g!

- John

Protos -- Logo 14 -- Logo 10
12-15-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Saint728
Elite Veteran
Location: Sydney Australia Sponsored by: Quick UK

I could really give a rats @$$ what the top pilots are using, if I did care I would have a lot of different helicopters brands, transmitters and servo combinations. I buy what I like, not what someone else likes. I use a JR 9X and that is good enough for me. It does everything I would like a transmitter to do and then some. If you want a 6 channel transmitter, then buy it, but don't try to tell me to get one because it's all you need. I will never fly like a top pro and I'm not trying to, I fly because it's fun.

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Too bad they don't have a 9 channel transmitter available? 6 channels aren't enough for a helicopter.


So let me rephrase what I said before. Too bad they don't have a 9 channel transmitter available? 6 channels aren't enough for me.

Take Care,
Cheers, Patrick

MA Fury Extreme,YS 91,MPII,V-Blades,601
Raptor 50 SE,OS50 Hyper,MPII,QUK Head,TT600 Blades,601
12-15-2005 Over year old.
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Saint728
Elite Veteran
Location: Sydney Australia Sponsored by: Quick UK

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If you can set up a good throttle curve, there is no reason to have more than 6 channels on a regular heli


I guess you can't set up a good throttle and pitch curve either, because you have a Futaba 9ZWC?

Take Care,
Cheers, Patrick

MA Fury Extreme,YS 91,MPII,V-Blades,601
Raptor 50 SE,OS50 Hyper,MPII,QUK Head,TT600 Blades,601
12-15-2005 Over year old.
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Eury
Elite Veteran
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

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I guess you can't set up a good throttle and pitch curve either, because you have a Futaba 9ZWC?


Where do you get that from? My Evo is the only heli I have that uses more than 6 channels, because I have a governor on it. Do I HAVE to have a governor? No, I don't, I like to have one, so I don't have to mess around with the 13 points on the 9z's throttle curves, and I like cool electronic toys. My other helis (Raptor 90 and Hawk Pro) don't have governors, I've tweaked the curves to make them run consistently.

I don't have a 9z for my helis, I have a 9z for my planes. Look in my gallery, and you'll see a picture of my quarter scale Ultimate Bipe. It's got 8 channels, Throttle, rudder, elevator, onboard glow, and each of the 4 aileron servos has it's own channel which allows me to mix them the way I want.

So there.


Nick Crego
As I wind on down the road...
12-16-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Saint728
Elite Veteran
Location: Sydney Australia Sponsored by: Quick UK

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So there.


How old are you, 10? LMAO, lol.

Take Care,
Cheers, Patrick

MA Fury Extreme,YS 91,MPII,V-Blades,601
Raptor 50 SE,OS50 Hyper,MPII,QUK Head,TT600 Blades,601
12-16-2005 Over year old.
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Eury
Elite Veteran
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

No, I'm 11. So there.


Nick Crego
As I wind on down the road...
12-16-2005 Over year old.
 
 
erichelipilot
Senior Heliman
Location: Worthing, SD USA

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but if more then 6 channels aren't necessary then why are all the top flyers using 9 to14 channel transmitters and not 6?



http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/...=710&height=467

Holy cow the top pilots do use a 6 channel radio!! How can that be? Nobody can fly that well with only 6 channels.




So there

_________________________________________________________ Love my Evo!!
12-16-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Mark C
Key Veteran
Location: Houston, TX - USA

I got my hands on one of these yesterday.

It's a really nice system. The TX is a re-tasked XP622 JR and the flight pack is nice - tiny receiver, good servos. The whole system seems like a lot of radio for $199.

dkshema is correct in that is intended for park flyers. And at least I have never had a park flyer (plank or heli) that required more than 6 channels. Oh I'm sure that someone will chime right in that they have one (or more) that requires a 14mz to fly but that is not me.

I am installing it in a Hummer Elite and will give a review in a few flights.
Mark C.
12-16-2005 Over year old.
 
 
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