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mxil1
Senior Heliman
Location: Earth

BEWARE OF THE GUY THAT GOES BY THE NAME MILLERMAN. His real name is Jason Miller. He screwed me out of $750. I bought a Century Bell 222 from him. When it arrived at my house it had been destroyed during shipping. I immediately emailed Millerman pics of the damage asking him to start a claim with the USPS. After a month of waiting he finally emailed me back to say that he had lost the insurance receipt and there was nothing he could do. He actually told me to go to Wal-Mart and get a fiberglass repair kit!!! If you could see the damage you would be furious being told that. Now he refuses to work this out and won't return my phone calls or email. The USPS will not deal with me since I am not the purchaser of the insurance, so I now have a $750 piece of junk. I understand if he has money problems but he won't work with me AT ALL.

I have kept all the emails and receipts of payment, plus I have his phone number, address, and name and I also will be calling his local police department. Just wanted to warn everyone because he has other items for sale. If anybody knows of anything I can do please help. Below are some of the emails.


Hi mxil1
Hey just heard back, ya dont know what to say, they need the auctual reciept, I think its kinda dumb since I had a clear copy of it ohh well, other than that I have little funds here , I just invested in more snow removal equipment and waiting for some good snow to come , so I cant help ya there, if you want go back to the post office and get your heli back, then go to wal-mart or a store and get a fiberglass repair kit , it will take some time but if you take the time to do it right you can restore the damage like it was not even there, its not hard it just takes patience. Other than that I will never buy a heli over the inernet or sell again after seening that, You know as well as I do that was packed good. anyways I did my part, feel free to get back if you have any questions. Thanks Jason


Hi mxil1
Hey there, still waiting for the postmaster to get back to me, I accedently threw away the auctual reciept of the insurance, but I had a copy of it , there policy is that you can only make a claim with the auctual reciept, but I told them that I lost it and if they could still do somthing about, so waith to here back, its been a week now and heard nothing yet. Thanks Jason




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mxil1 wrote on 11-22-2005 01:22 PM:
Hi Millerman

I haven't heard from you in a while. Can you give me a status of the claim?
12-08-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Saint728
Elite Veteran
Location: Sydney Australia Sponsored by: Quick UK

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When it arrived at my house it had been destroyed during shipping.


Thanks for the warning about that guy. I feel sorry for you, getting a broken up helicopter. You should have refused the delivery if there was damage to it. When I get something delivered to me I open it up in front of the deliverer and if something is wrong or broken durring delivery, I do not accept it. I bet the guy didn't even take out insurance on it in the first place? How did you pay for it? I would try to get a refund from your credit card if you can?

Take Care,
Cheers, Patrick

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12-08-2005 Over year old.
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wolfdad
Key Veteran
Location: Southern Maryland

Sorry to hear about this situation as well and Saint, although it doesn't help much after the fact, gave you some extremely good advice. Either open or, if the package is obviously damaged, no matter how insignficant it appears, refuse delivery and get a receipt from USPS or whoever attempted delivery. That puts the ball squarely back in their ball park. However, that's only a small part of this issue.

The remarks about getting a fiberglass repair kit and the fact that the seller is short on cash are out of line. His line to you should be, send me the damaged heli back and I will settle with USPS and will refund your money or offer an explanation and advise when he will be able to pay you back. That's the long and short of it. Everyone comes up short on occasion and, I would think if that is the case, he would offer to work something out with you. If you still have the packaging, check it for a blue insurance tag. There is a number on that tag (if he actually insured it) that can be tracked back to when and where the insurance was obtained and he should be able to make a claim based on that.

You are absolutely correct and should not be stuck with damaged goods and the seller's actions so far as you have outlined, are unsatisfactory. Also, you might consider getting the postal inspectors involved as well. If you paid via Paypal, you might have some "limited" recourse there as well.

wolfdad sends...

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E30TECH
Veteran
Location: Jefferson, New Jersey

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You should have refused the delivery if there was damage to it


If he did that, he would have gotten nothing - right? I'm assuming he'd still need that receipt.

I'm curious to know what would happen in that case as I have been getting screwed on shipments lately.
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Salty
Elite Veteran
Location: Jville Fl...Ahhhh getting better

I dont know abount usps BUT it will show in their computer that it was insured AND it shows on the package itself it was insured...I know whith ups and dhl and fed ex that you can file a claim over the phone all you need is the tracking #.... I'd find out then inform him of your findings and see about taking care of it that way

"What the HELL was that?" Mayor of Hirshima 6 Aug 1945.
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mxil1
Senior Heliman
Location: Earth

Yea I paid with PayPal. I tried to open a complaint with PayPal but they said it didn't qualify for one. I use PayPal because it is secure and protects you in cases like this, but after this I might as well just sent the guy cash!

If I would have refused it and sent it back I would be out everything. He emailed me a copy of the insurance receipt and there is a blue sticker on the box but the USPS won't deal with you unless you have the original.
12-08-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Salty
Elite Veteran
Location: Jville Fl...Ahhhh getting better

if you paid with a CC through PP dispute it with them.... thats the only way to buy big stuff through PP...

"What the HELL was that?" Mayor of Hirshima 6 Aug 1945.
12-08-2005 Over year old.
 
 
mxil1
Senior Heliman
Location: Earth

rotorpsyco what do you mean? I paid with PayPal by CC but they won't let me file a complaint. How do I dispute it?
12-08-2005 Over year old.
 
 
montarok
Key Veteran
Location: Brooklyn, NY

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Yea I paid with PayPal. I tried to open a complaint with PayPal but they said it didn't qualify for one. I use PayPal because it is secure and protects you in cases like this, but after this I might have well just sent the guy cash!


Very Simple!

PayPal, Ebay and a guy in Cal. tried to srew me just like this, but I called my CC company and the money was back in my account in 3 days.
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learmd
Senior Heliman
Location: West Palm Beach, FL

mxil
i think he means file a claim with your cc company as they will investigate fraud or damage also

Harold

crashes sponsored by VISA, MASTERCARD, and AMEX.. just like your heli.. never leave home without it
12-08-2005 Over year old.
 
 
E30TECH
Veteran
Location: Jefferson, New Jersey

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i think he means file a claim with your cc company as they will investigate fraud or damage also


I did that and got my money back. Paypal will jerk you around - not to mention they are the 'middle man'. Call your CC company and let them know what happened. Just keep calm and be polite
12-08-2005 Over year old.
 
 
webbhost
Key Veteran
Location: england - Leicester

name is familiar? I would point out to him that should he have taken proper precautions and boxed/padded it in a way that it isn't going to get broken then it wouldn't have happened, he took the risk of bad packaging it should be his problem, as for him loosing the insurance receipt.... tough sh!t to him then, you paid for your shipping insurance too, if he lost it thats not your fault

meh
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Salty
Elite Veteran
Location: Jville Fl...Ahhhh getting better

I've had to dispute two items with PP, the first I tried to go through PP and almost got screwed, then I went through my CC co and got the proper result, second time I didnt even waste my time with PP and went straight to the CC co, they will communicate with PP....trust me they will, you'll get a notice saying a dispute has been opened (as a result of the CC co, its called a chargeback.

"What the HELL was that?" Mayor of Hirshima 6 Aug 1945.
12-09-2005 Over year old.
 
 
jkru
Senior Heliman
Location: Toronto, On

Any package that is insured has a tracking number. All you need to do is go the the shipper with all the original packageing and the product and they will be able to process your claim you do not need the slip I have done it before.

Hope this helps!

TT
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Flyinrazrback
Veteran
Location: Shreveport LA

if it is insured via usps, there will be a blue sticker that says insured on the box with a bar code, if the sticker isnt there, it isnt insured
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E30TECH
Veteran
Location: Jefferson, New Jersey

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I've had to dispute two items with PP, the first I tried to go through PP and almost got screwed, then I went through my CC co and got the proper result, second time I didnt even waste my time with PP and went straight to the CC co, they will communicate with PP....trust me they will, you'll get a notice saying a dispute has been opened (as a result of the CC co, its called a chargeback.


I had the exact same experience - only it was with 1 item (not two). I ended up getting my money back thru my CC company. Paypal was a little upset about it and they contacted me. They told me to only go thru PP when there is a problem. I laughed, told them they were given the chance, laughed again, and hung up.

Paypal is owned by Ebay, and Ebay is known for screwing people over.
12-09-2005 Over year old.
 
 
jb_turner
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

This should have nothing at all to do with PP or the CC company. The product was delivered damaged. This is an issue between the seller and buyer.
12-09-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Want2Fly
Heliman
Location: Denton, TX

I had a problem with MILLERMAN too!!

I bought a computer from him for my dad. First I asked him to ship it to me, then I pm'd him and asked him to ship it to my dad instead, he said ok and he would ship it the next day. Well it went to my address, with someone else's name on it. Not a big deal because I did get it, now I just had to drive the 150 miles to carry it to my dad. I gave it to him early. The problem was there was NO and I mean NO packing materials used. (WHEN YOU ARE SHIPPING ANYTHING you should put something around it!!!) There was nothing but a computer in a box! He did not include the keyboard and there was only an operating system on it when it arrived, he said there would be several progams on it. The computer does work, but the case has a big dent in the side and the plastic latches on the cover got broken and the tabs on the face plate got broken off, so it moves around.

I have pm'd him twice on the matter and I HAVE NOT gotten a response yet!

If he packed your heli like he packed the computer, I can understand why it got damaged.

Mike
12-09-2005 Over year old.
 
 
mxil1
Senior Heliman
Location: Earth

Thanks Want2Fly and I'm sorry he got you to. If you want his address and phone number let me know.
12-09-2005 Over year old.
 
 
webbhost
Key Veteran
Location: england - Leicester

by saying there was several programs on it he could have been referring to the windows games, calculator etc, so he might have cleverly got you there.

meh
12-09-2005 Over year old.
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