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Al Magaloff
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Location: 12,199 Posts- Enough Time Wasted. See Ya!

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If that is the case, then why
If there's no money in the account, you're not going to get much. That's why we do it.
12-06-2005 Over year old.
 
 
rotor- shark
Veteran
Location: uk

on the television tonight there was a program about ebay and paypal,it claimed that fraud was on the increase and that ebay and paypal were doing nothing about it.it even went on to explain how ebay and paypal policies were worthless.i believe that both of these companies are heading for a big fall at some point.they are getting negative exposure on prime time television.

all comments are my opinion only!
12-06-2005 Over year old.
 
 
TG540EDGE
Senior Heliman
Location: Texas

If that is the case, then why is it with the past 2 complaints I've filed with Paypal

maybe the guy has no money in his account!
cant squeeze blood from a turnip
12-07-2005 Over year old.
 
 
wedge
Elite Veteran
Location: Victoria BC, Canada

Yes I know thats how cod works, he pays the money to the carrier, but I still don't care, I m honest, and I am a trusting person, but I still don't ship anything out unless I got the $$$$$$$$$$$$ first, so far I ve never been screwed, and I ve never screwed anybody. I hope to continue on like this.

Victoria BC, Canada, Century Swift,Trex SA 450, Hummingbird V3.
12-07-2005 Over year old.
 
 
cnk
Heliman
Location: NJ

TG540EDGE: Don't put so much reliance on Paypal. The guy I was dealing with turned up was in a motorcycle accident and was in the hospital for a few weeks. This means that his funds were right where he left them and available. Paypal simply didn't care. They cannot go into your account no matter what is stated on their policies without your approval, i.e. you click the button to authorize them to take funds out. If they really could do that, then if your bank account was empty, they could charge your CC for the amount that you owe. But the whole point is that they don't care. They have a monopoly on an easy way to do business on the internet so when you can't get your money back, it really doesn't affect them because they've already got their cut of the transaction.
12-07-2005 Over year old.
 
 
rotor- shark
Veteran
Location: uk

they can take the money out of your bank account,it's in the agreement,but like anything they need a good reason,they're not stupid.if the money is still in your paypal account then it's money that doesn't legally exist,it's just credit,and they may govern the terms of it's use.i believe the term is "electronic money".but once the money is transfered into a bank account,it becomes real money.they can take the paypal money a hell of a lot easier than they can take the bank account money.paypal needs to be sure that if they take the bank account money,that they will have some LEGAL evidence to back up their actions if the person takes them to court.they don't really need this if it's paypal account money because the money is still in the system,and still the governed by paypals issue terms.if for example somone makes a complaint about not recieving the stuff they paid for,and paypal get no response from the seller,no matter how hard they try,they they will take the money back out of the sellers bank account without hesitation,that's all the evidence they need,he didn't respond.but if on the otherhand the seller responds and argues a "grey area" then it is possible that paypal may not wish to get involved if they can help it.remember-they will do anything for an easy life.

all comments are my opinion only!
12-07-2005 Over year old.
 
 
cnk
Heliman
Location: NJ

There's no point in arguing here. The whole issue is that what Paypal states they can do and what they really do when a complaint arises are 2 different things. This I know from experience. So you can quote anything you want from the Paypal terms and conditions statements, but in the end, I've had to go past Paypal's "service" and have my CC company get the money back.
12-07-2005 Over year old.
 
 
toejab
Senior Heliman
Location: NEW YORK

same for me...like i also said earlier...paypal was NO help, washed their hands of it from the first email. it was my CREDIT CARD CO that came to my rescue. larry
12-07-2005 Over year old.
 
 
iskoos
Key Veteran
Location: Orlando, FL

What Paypal can do....

I have been wondering this myself since I linked my paypal account to my checking account.

So I am not going to argue if paypal can or cannot do it because no matter what their policy(which I never read) ir or RR members say, I do believe that Paypal can easily pull money from members account without their consent.

Think about it... How do you transfer money from your checking account to your paypal account?
You just go in your paypal account and click on the right menu and type the amount and then click "done".

-Do you send that email to your bank and ask them to authorize this transaction?
NO.......
-Does your bank send you an email asking if you have authorized this transaction?
NO........

Who does all this?
PAYPAL

So if they can pull money from your bank account with just an email then they don't need no authorization, no consent, no paperwork no $#@% to get it done.
I don't care if they have to come up with a reason to back up their transaction or not. What I care about is if they can pull the money or not.
And the answer is
YES.... THEY CAN DO IT IF THEY WANT...

I will go and talk to my bank personally on that and if I see there is no way to stop this, I will remove my checking account from my paypal and leave a CC only. That is not the best way may be but much safer to me.
12-08-2005 Over year old.
 
 
rotor- shark
Veteran
Location: uk

believe me,i've been looking at closing my paypal and ebay account because i really don't like either of the companies,it's rare for paypal to actually help a member out,most of the time they just take the money and don't care,whats the point in paying with paypal? you may as well take your chances with a bank transfer.the thing is,in the past,people were worried about ripping a customer off who had paid with paypal,because they feared that paypal would take the money back from them if the customer complained.but now as time advances,people are realising that paypal is mostly a toothless tiger,and that they aren't doing anything much to help anybody.you can expect a huge increase in the number of paypal transactions with problems.

all comments are my opinion only!
12-08-2005 Over year old.
 
 
iskoos
Key Veteran
Location: Orlando, FL

rotor-shark

I understand your point. I would say there are two main reasons why people use paypal;

1.When you deal with individuals, you cannot you your CC to send funds but you can use your paypal.
2.When you use paypal, you are not giving your CC # everytime you send money, you just go ahead and authorize the payment.

Especially when I buy stuff online from a company I am not familiar with, I don't want to give them my CC info because those comapanies never delete your CC info from your system and all the employies of that company can see your CC info.
Now you will say, it is same for paypal but at least you deal with one company only not may of them.

I tried not to use paypal for a long time but the I had to because it wasn't working every time I use my CC. Plus when you sell stuff many people are affraid to use Money order to send you the funds. Because with Money order they cannot file a complaint, but they can when they use paypal.

So that's why people use paypal. I wish there was an easy alternative.
12-08-2005 Over year old.
 
 
bagobitz
Veteran
Location: saddleworth,lancs,UK

WWW.PAYPALSUX.COM. they can, they do, they lost a class action by disgruntled users. they continue to abuse their position. (when a US account is "frozen",for whatever reason, the customer has to ASK for THEIR OWN MONEY BACK!!! ) PP claims not to profit from all this, but quietly forgets to mention that the interest on the money they "steal", is used to offset their bank charges.
they try it on in the UK but here we have a cheap CountyCourt system(formerly Small Claims Court) costs about $40 -upwards to about$100 to file a claim. loser pays that,guess what? PP ALWAYS loses in the UK.

with regard bad trades...google "charlie Wenzel".....that tosser will never get away with it again
12-08-2005 Over year old.
 
 
DSA
Heliman
Location: Reality

I got a GREAT idea!

DO NOT SEND ANY PRODUCT UNTIL YOU GET PAID!

PERIOD!

I guess some people NEED to get ripped off to figure out that sending product before payment isnt a good idea. I am NOT saying the guy who ripped you off is teaching a lesson and its ok. BUT he is teaching a lesson. The lesson? People CANNOT be trusted. Sometimes honest people need help to stay honest. His intention might not have been to rip you off initially, but when he got the helicopter, perhaps he decided it wasnt worth what you were asking. Maybe he intended to pay you, but once he had the heli in hand, he had no incentive whatsoever~ to PAY YOU! He allready had your helicopter, for FREE!

Anything is possible. I dont know the guy but I DO know of a 100%, tried and true, positively no way to lose, without a doubt, way to insure it never happens again.....

Want to guess what I am going to say? Sorry you had to learn the hard way that people just cannot be trusted. Money talks and bullsh$t walks. Get paid. Get paid. Get paid. Verify you have been paid. Verify you have been paid. Verify you have been paid. Verify the payment is valid and irreversible.

Now. Send the item. It really isnt too difficult of a concept. Of course you could always just trust the guy and send out the helicopter, cover the shipping yourself and hope it all turns out ok. A 'Hope' in one hand, & a 'sh$t' in the other...

I didnt think this was really needed to explain in this much detail~ but with all the rip off stories lately I think it needs to be highlighted, with a flashing neon sign, and garlic surround at the top of every page.



Loving my new 2006 Honda Ridgeline RTL
12-09-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Kiwicocky
Senior Heliman
Location: Golden Bay , New Zealand

Hows about looking from the other side. I'm god knows how far from the USA, I have brought numerous helis,fuses,etc from guys on here. Nobody in my country imports much. So I have to trust that the seller is going to send what I have paid for, so far so good. Everything I have brought has been sent and arrived in good order. Just remember I'm taking every bit the same risk as you !!!
12-09-2005 Over year old.
 
 
toejab
Senior Heliman
Location: NEW YORK

well what DSA said ,of course ,makes sense, but what about the rest of us that sent that hard earned money expecting the product as described to arrive in short order ,and either get nothing or a package of garbage arrives that barely resembles what was agreed too. this is where the credit card company comes in to the rescrue. keep your emails concerning the deal....they are your major source of proof that you got ripped off. larry
12-09-2005 Over year old.
 
 
rotor- shark
Veteran
Location: uk

i've been sent many helicopters that were advertised as good condition,then turned out to be a pile of crap when they arrived.even when bought from well respected shops.i'm slowly starting to not trust anybody at all.i've noticed that people are paying less and less for helicopters,i think this is because too many people have recieved junk throught the post.

all comments are my opinion only!
12-09-2005 Over year old.
 
 
toejab
Senior Heliman
Location: NEW YORK

ROTOR-SHARK i s correct. a majority of heli items sell for around the 50-60 % price range when many of them are indeed worth much more. this is due in part to the leary buyer who has recieved junk in the past and now must only allow himself to answer only super deals. this is a downward spiral caused by the crooked dealers out there. larry
12-09-2005 Over year old.
 
 
toejab
Senior Heliman
Location: NEW YORK

PERFECT example going on right now...two different sellers of the same item...one wants cash or western union only(get the hint) ebay auction numbers 6020317519 and 6021240766 larry
12-09-2005 Over year old.
 
 
DSA
Heliman
Location: Reality

Buying used~

Is ALWAYS a risk! One guys idea of 'perfect' is just his OPINION. It isnt factual, or concrete assesment~ in any way!

Want to know what your getting? Buy new. You take a risk when getting used, its just that easy. I think the risk VS the cost of a new part justifies NOT buying used unless you can 'lay your hands on the item' and decide for yourself.

I havent ever bought used, and dont ever intend to. If the only way you can enjoy this sport is by buying used, then maybe, just maybe, this ISNT the hobby for you.

Send your hard earned money to a reputable seller of new products, or just find a hobby you CAN afford. Counting on getting into this hobby for 50% of new item cost, is just the start of the long list of problems you will have.

Ever buy used and were really, really, happy? Count yourself lucky. Its doubtful your 'luck' in buying used will continue to be items your really super happy with. Used is usually, USED JUNK. When it is a great item, its the exception to the rule, not the usual way 'used items' are!

Loving my new 2006 Honda Ridgeline RTL
12-09-2005 Over year old.
 
 
rotor- shark
Veteran
Location: uk

well the truth is that many people like myself can't afford new stuff,i don't know what job you do for a living but i make about £195 a week after tax and national insurance,thats poor pay by anybodys standard.consider that just one U.S gallon of coolpower 30% costs us £27 and you might understand why some of us here cant afford new stuff.we pay far in excess of what you u.s folks do for all our "new" heli stuff.you wouldn't be so quick to tell people to buy new stuff if you had to buy it here i can tell you.and whats this about "giving your money to a reputable seller of new products" they're no more interested in the customer than the secondhand seller is.imagine you just bought a brand new spectra g heli,took it out and flew it for a week only to find on the last day,it stripped a tail gear in flight(which they have been doing) and smashed itself to bits.total repair bill, £400 to bring it back to "new condition".go back to the "reputable seller of new products",and tell him you want him to replace the heli because it was the manufacturers/retailers fault the product failed,and you only just paid £2000 for it.what do you think he will say?yeah thats right,he'll offer to replace the tail gears that broke.the secondhand seller would have offered his appologies if the same thing happened,so between the two sellers,one would give you a set of tail gears,the other nothing.big difference

all comments are my opinion only!
12-09-2005 Over year old.
 
 
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