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Audacity Models Pantera 50 - Tiger 50 > tiger 50 or hawk pro

jinx
Senior Heliman
Location: Maryland, u.s.a.

hi all, it's been about 15yrs since i flew helis. had a concept 30 dx. i want to get back into it. was looking at the hawk pro and this tiger 50. what is included in the arf model? also, can the futaba 3151 servos be enough for the tiger 50? which heli to get? what.....thank you..

11-28-2005 12:58 AM

jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

Oh boy I have fond memories of my Concept. Mine was an SR (the one that had a canopy reminiscent of a Bell 222 (at least to my star crossed eyes). In fact, I still have a 46VR around here somewhere.

The S3151 servos will be just fine for either the Tiger 50 or the Century Hawk Pro helicopter. There has been quite a bit of standardization in the area of starting helicopters. While our Concepts used a regular model airplane style electric starter, nowadays, the probe with the ball-end hex shaft has won out. Century, by the way, offers a great unit - I have one myself.

The biggest difference is the the constructuon style. While the Tiger 50 uses molded plastic frames which are tough and very resistent to crash damage. The Hawk Pro uses stacked frames, has one internal gear (where the gear teeth are on the inside edge of a bell-shape affair, and features a layshaft (an extra shaft) as part of it's two-stage reduction. The Tiger 50 is intrinsically a tremendously more simple design. How you view this depends on what your feelings are with respect to the KISS principal as it relates to helicopters. Anyway, you can download our instruction manual in PDF format with this link . . .

Tiger 50 manual and Addendum sheets

. . . and thereby see how the model is designed and what the assembly looks like. It's available either as a kit or an ARF model. Plan to add engine, radio and gyro, etc. to get her in the air. Also, on the home page you can click through to a handful of magazine reviews.

Of course, because I own the company, you'd be wise to take what I say with a small grain of salt because I have a dog in this fight (as we say in the South), but you can also pretty much trust there are enough people reading what I say who would jump in to let you know if I steer you wrong

Anyway, the Tiger 50 is an especially nice flying model that's both quick to build, and easy to repair. Being a modern design is what contributes to this to a large degree. I htink you'd be happy with it. Either my Tiger 50, or Century's Hawk Pro will handily outfly the old Concepts and you'll be pretty happy either way.

Good luck pal, and thanks for letting us have a shot at earing your business.

John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models

11-28-2005 02:15 AM

scottc
Key Veteran
Location: shakopee minnesota..USA

Between the 2 GET the tiger

Hey I didn't ask for this fetish.!!!But I'am sure paying for it....

11-28-2005 03:11 AM

Wicked3d
Heliman
Location: Just this side of Sanity

I spent alot of time researching the tiger and also i had a great conversation with John on the phone and he took the time to answer alot of questions. One thing he did was took a few minutes to get a feel of my flying abilitys and with what he learned he talked me out of spending alot of extra money on things he truley thought I wouldnt need. You do not find people like him that will talk you out of things especialy becasue in the end it affects his buisness. Also his attitude on this helicopter and his view of the industry and hobby is one of the best I have ran into in along time. This is fun, we spend our money to have fun, he took time to bring us a machine that can perform, be inexpensive and to let people like me let loose and not be out of the air for a month or more becasue i dont have the money to rebuild and repair. I looked at the hawk series and from past experiances flying them for other people they are a ok ship. Better then what you used to fly but still not as good compared to what the tiger can do out of the box for under 300.00. The quality is nice, the design is better and I know becasue of the head design and the collective system the tiger will definetly be a machine you will not outgrow and will be a beast and perform like some of the bigger ships and not cost you your first child in a crash, or make you work the corner for fuel. I will be beating mine to death and loving every minute of it and a crash allowance of 150.00 saved up will keep me in fuel, parts and blades and allow me to move forward in ways I have waned to without the pucker factor of a crash. I know this is kinda long but its my 2cents worth so hopefully you join the tiger crew and enjoy it like i am mine. But I wont say you wouldnt enjoy the hawk. but I will say you may regret it after dumping it and see the cost and repair time. I will stick wih my tiger.

Best regards and keep burning nitro,

Wicked

If you fly 3d you will crash eventualy just don le it worry you - Second rule in life, first rule, your going to die one day so have fun with the time got and make the best of it.

11-28-2005 04:01 AM

ManuelCJr1
Senior Heliman
Location: Sun City, Arizona

The Tiger for sure. It is super stable and builds confidence. The easy ccpm will allow you to go from bigginer to 3d with just radio adjustment. I love mine. check out the gallery.

11-28-2005 04:03 AM

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jinx
Senior Heliman
Location: Maryland, u.s.a.

will the o.s. 46 fit? in one of the reviews it said the o.s.46 wouldn't fit the mount. also, has the tail heavy problem been addressed?....thanks...

11-28-2005 05:04 AM

jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

Yes, the 46 fits just fine. If you look at the videos, one is a budget build up by Mitch Shreeve using the 46FXH, analog servos, 15% fuel, the stock woodies, as well as the cheapo muffler we offer (20 bucks). The combination is decent (though not really a 3D machine - for that you really need the power of the OS 50SX).

The issue of balance comes up if you are trying to use the stock 1000 mAH battery most heli radios come with. The fact is though, this is simply not enough capacity with digital servos. For example, I'm using a 1900 SCR 4-cell pack, and I still recharge (using a field charger) after the third flight because digital servos really suck the current. I hestitated to go for the second flight with the stock 1000 mAH pack. This pack weighs more than the 1000 mill unit of course.

Furthermore, I don't fly with a horizontal fin (and with a Tiger you can leave it off without affecting the integrity of the boom support clamp), plus you can make a battery tray extension out of plywood, we provide a template in the addendum sheet, (or spend 10 bucks on a longer tray we offer) which works to move the battery about an inch further forward. Anyway, these steps combine to make it a non-issue.

You pose good questions! You've obviously been doing your homework. If all my math students had been this diligent, I'd likely still be teaching math

John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models

11-28-2005 05:20 AM

jinx

Senior Heliman - Location: Maryland, u.s.a. -

so, where does everyone get their battery packs from? i will be getting the futaba 7chp with the 3151 digital servos. the receiver pack is only 1000ma. do i need more for the transmitter too?...thank you....

11-28-2005 11:06 PM

jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

TX pack is fine as supplied. As for RX packs, I prefer to call Joan Chambers of Bend Oregon at 800-258-5899, or surf to her website www.tperc.com for my needs.

I've been getting them from her for years and years partly because she's been a good friend, and also because she makes exactly what I need (complete with the appropriate lead, i.e. Futaba, JR, etc.) and she stands behind her product. By the way, if you contact her, just tell her you want a 1900 mAH SCR 4-cell pack and mention my name. I figure that plus 5 bucks will get you a small capuchino!

Anyway, there are plenty of other battery pack suppliers, but her personal touch earns my business (and my recommendation).

John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models

11-29-2005 03:35 AM

jinx
Senior Heliman
Location: Maryland, u.s.a.

with my very limited flying ability, do i need to have the horizonal tail bolted on? what are the pros and cons of not having a horizonal tail? other than weight? also, about gyro/servo combo. everyone tells me to get the 401/9254. but is this a wise purchase for a semi-newbie because of possible crash damage to it?...thank you....

12-02-2005 02:18 AM

Al Austria
Key Veteran
Location: Gainesville, FL

Horizontal tail provides close to nothing. It's more or less a visual when flying. When you start to 3D you'd opt to fly without it since it causes some drag.

RReModels
Century Field Rep
Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.

12-02-2005 02:49 AM

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B.Hofferth
Senior Heliman
Location: walkerton in.

i personally dont fly with the horizontal fin either, as far as gyros are concerned i use csm. i dont think you can go wrong with the price and performance of the 401, but todays technology and competetion brings great products to enthusiasts like you and me with your pocket book being your only limit. buy the best you can afford and try not to worry about crash damage, get a simulator and wear it out. brian

12-02-2005 03:06 AM

jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

Two things become an issue with the GY-401/S9454 combo.

Do you need it? I think the gyro is an outstanding value at $140 when paired with a standard $15-20 servo (total $155-160-ish). That's because until you enter the flight regimen of high speed backwards flight and a few 3D maneuvers, I think the S9454 isn't needed.

Since we've raised it, there's the cost issue. At $220-ish with the servo, it's a lot of money when you're starting. Alone at $140, it's stilll pricey because there are gyros available for less. However, this is a case where I suspect you're better off spending the extra for the 401.

Of course, this may come bite me in the rear some day, but it's what I think at present. By the way, I fly and like them. I also fly and like CSM gyros. I like the compact size of the GY-401 as well as its low weight though.

John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models

12-02-2005 02:08 PM

darkfa8
Key Veteran
Location: Eatontown, NJ, USA

new GY401 with s9254 packages can be found on Ebay for under $200 shipped

I just checked now and there are several on there. I purchased mine for $185 shipped back in December of '04.

Or, you can buy the components used for slightly cheaper if you check Ebay or the many heli forum's classifieds.

- Dan G. -

12-02-2005 04:56 PM

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jinx
Senior Heliman
Location: Maryland, u.s.a.

ok, i can get a new 401 gryo for $119.00 and $7.00 shipping. what budget servo to get? i have $20.00 coupon for tower hobbies.....thank you..

12-02-2005 11:37 PM

E J Atchison
Senior Heliman
Location: Winsted, CT USA

jinx, lot's of great info here. My concern with a new flyer is always who is going to help you get flying, certainly not a www in some other part of the country. Do you have a LHS that does helis? If so help them stay in business by getting your stuff there (as long as they are competitive, which any worthwhile shop will be) they will probably be more than happy to help you with set up and training. I still believe in personalized HANDS ON customer service.

I'll admit I'm not a great pilot, but I can hover with the best of them.

12-03-2005 02:07 AM

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E J Atchison
Senior Heliman
Location: Winsted, CT USA

Let's see here
New heli and all, about $800 in the air, right. not to mention your time.
Buy someones used gyro (was it in a crash? probably not if it's on e-bay, ha!!) and a cheap servo
In my book saving maybe $50 on used cheap stuff isn't worth the risk, not to mention the potential liability of injury.

All too often used = abused

Just my thoughts, but hey it's you hard earned money.

I'll admit I'm not a great pilot, but I can hover with the best of them.

12-03-2005 02:15 AM

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scoyle
Senior Heliman
Location: IL

GY401 + 9254 = $190 @ Heliproz.

12-05-2005 03:54 AM

E J Atchison
Senior Heliman
Location: Winsted, CT USA

That's a great deal. Below Futaba's minimum pricing guidelines. Pretty soon there won't be any need for a LHS. Just buy online and wait for a few days for UPS. Excuse me for being critical, I personally prefer to support my local businesses, whatever they be. The people who work at them hopefully do the same.

I'll admit I'm not a great pilot, but I can hover with the best of them.

12-05-2005 04:08 PM

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jstfish
Senior Heliman
Location: Collinsville, Oklahoma

Purchase ARF Kit

Where is best place to purchase the Tiger 50 ARF kit?

12-05-2005 08:26 PM

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