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e-MS Composit Hornet > anyone else have a cursed hornet ?

meatbomber
Senior Heliman
Location: Klatovy, Czech Republic

I think my Hornet 2 is cursed!

No seriously... she really is! So far my total flying time on that Heli is about 40 minutes.
I had to rebuild completely about 3 times... and MTBF (mean time between failure) is at about 2 minutes flying.

I've just completely rebuilt the thing and was about 2 minutes into the 2nd setup flight when the tail servo disconnected and it flew a spinning suizide attack against my knees and the wall.. Set her down hard and had a rotor strike on the ground..

Broke a blade holder and nicked the 2 flying minutes old Blades...

i'm seriously considering to put her up for sale so somone else can fight that curse.

Thanks for listening

a very frustrated
Meatbomber

well after venting of course i'll repair and tinker with it for endless hours to have another exhiliarating 2 minutes of flying

11-22-2005 Over year old.

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Quick50Nikl
Senior Heliman
Location: Sweden,Sthlm,järfäll a,

If u have bell-hillermix u should consider setting alot of EXPO to make it less responsive. Its very quick with the BH setup its for 3D.

And get a swashplate with a ball in it to get rid of the slop. It will hover steadier.

Assumption is the mother of all . . . . ups

11-22-2005 Over year old.

meatbomber
Senior Heliman
Location: Klatovy, Czech Republic

Well my other heli is a Pico Pro with 3000rpm headspeed and a lengthened flybar and a T-Rex with lightened paddels and also very high headspeed.

I have no problems with steadiness in hover.

My problem with the Horent 2 is that everytime i have it rebuilt and setup it flies allright something breaks in flight or a servo stops working or i have no glitches for all the time and the first time i take her out to 3d i get this one massive glitch and it's a goner... stuff like that

Just random things really.

11-22-2005 Over year old.

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Quick50Nikl
Senior Heliman
Location: Sweden,Sthlm,järfäll a,

I had some glitch problems with a JetiMini7ch reciver with a nonjeti crystal. Changed to a Jetimini7ch MPD with jeti crystal all is well,

(so far

)

i suggest u take an extra 20 min double checking every thing before flight.

Or ur just one unlucky dude

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Assumption is the mother of all . . . . ups

11-22-2005 Over year old.

ADRYAN
Key Veteran
Location: Stouffville, Ontario, Canada

Same here..... I got a used Hornet CP airframe recently and put together all the electronics I needed. While trimming her fro the proper headspeed and pitch and gyro.... the sudden up-down movement touched the ground and boom..... boomstrike. So I put all the electronics on Hornet FP frame that came with the CP and also moved the head. Trimming again, pitch, elevator, aileron and gyro/rudder..... boom... hit the couch leg... CRACKKKK. Broke the boom, the MS Composit Carbon Blades and the pushrod. Went the next day to the LHS and couldn't find a boom replacement so got stuff to fixer-up (CA'd the boom inside a bigger copper tube.... no aluminum big enough available). Went in the car and put the heli on the floor and was gonna put the Tx on the floor when it dropped on the heli... THUD. Broke the CF tail fin.....

OK so now I have the heli all put together again.... the blades for the E-flite Blade doesn't fit. Back to LHS, got Cenuty blades instead.... Its longer but it fits but I had tocut the tail rotor blades (will find out later if this will be enough clearnce). I also installed the Hummingbird Gold Label High Performance 370 motor (w/10 T gear)... OH YEAH.... I then put on a homemade training gear (spare cf rod from pushrod and toy golf balls)..... Trimming again.... not enough headpseed from the motor (1900 on the 370 motor as opposed to the 3100 from the 350 and 300 motors)... Took out the motor and replaced the the 350 back on..... Trimming again, CLANK, CLANK, CLANK, WHHEEEEZZZZ...... Too much headspeed while trimming and the motor seized. Took the 350 motor out and put the Speed 300 back on.....

I can't wait to see what happens next.

Adryan

p.s. now I'm wondering if I should put the Feigao/CC25 on it..............(or wait till santa (well that's me too) gets me a shogun/trex/mx400 instead and drop everything in)

11-22-2005 Over year old.

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RonnyD
Senior Heliman
Location: Miami, Florida

Save yourselves the trouble. Get a trex. I have 2 Hornet II's. I love them but they are extremely fineky to set up and maintain. Crash costs are expensive and parts are not readily avail.
The Trex is the opposite. Crashing is cheap and offen times does not involve a lot of broken parts. The trex, being a little bigger, also does not have to be as close to perfect in order to fly good. The smaller the heli, the closer to perfect it has to be to fly good.

11-22-2005 Over year old.

Gary Jenkins
Elite Veteran
Location: Wilmington, DE

I've had a Hornet 2 for over a year and it's not cursed! I also have a Trex 450 XL and it is cheaper and easier to build, setup and maintain than the Hornet. I keep the Hornet for flying in small areas like my front yard.

Good luck with the Cursed One.

11-22-2005 Over year old.

meatbomber
Senior Heliman
Location: Klatovy, Czech Republic

well so far i'm at 24minutes of flying with only one minor problem... almost lost the pin from one of the tail blade holders..

Only a little wag remaining... well i'm crossing fingers that we're out of our unlucky phase...

Yea i like my Rex too, but the Hornet is the power monster in the fleet (well apart from the Pico... but that one has the weak tail)..

11-22-2005 Over year old.

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ADRYAN
Key Veteran
Location: Stouffville, Ontario, Canada

BURNED ESC

Went and trimmed the heli again today during lunch. Hovered her on nice and sweetly on the 300 motor. Perfect headspeed, light easy climb, stable hover. A little bit of tail hunting so I thought I'll set her down and lower the gyro a tad. She was PERFECT.... Then, the headspeed increased by a factor of god-knows-what and why. Headspeed was so fast, but I was able to gently lower her to the ground. Tx throttle all the way down and motor is still churning like crazy....... PUFF. Smoke started coming from the canopy and then the blades started slowing down. Burned ESC. My current setup on her is a 3S TP 1320, Electron 6 Rx, HGL200 (a CSM200 lightened), HS 55's all around, Century Semi-Sym wood blades (longer than stock), trimmed tail blades and a BURNED OUT MS 055 ESC......

Good thing a Feigao Brushless 4450 Kv is standing by and a CC25 is on the way this week (any day now).

The cold winter months is proving to be quite fun with micros... a lot of fiddling around while in the house. I have a GWS Mini Dragonly but I pulled out the servos for the Hornet. I also have a recently crashed Hirobo Shuttle Original. But nothing beats my Raptor 30 V2.... it's just a bit cold at the field.

My Hornet may be cursed.... maybe....lol.

11-23-2005 Over year old.

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DarkHorse1
Senior Heliman
Location: Gloucester UK

Hi,
MS 055 ESC on 3S TP 1320 didn't last long in a friends FP either. The ESC isn't happy on 3 cells.

Oh yea, the Hornets2 can be a mind field, I think the X-3D is better but not without the occasional nightmare scenario.

11-23-2005 Over year old.

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Blade-X
Senior Heliman
Location: Singapore

When will you guys learn to keep 3 sets of spares for every part? LOL... jus kidding....

Well, in contrast, I've a lot of hard times setting up a TrexXL CDE.... trust me, although it's screws and bolts, it's not much easier.... Never could get it to stay in one place in hover out of the box....

As with the booms, i'm switching to arrow shafts pretty soon. Blades, i'm using the ones from an upcoming dragonfly 22A... they're foamies.. and hold up in 3D or crashes...I'm still on my first pair after i FFF into the ground...

To date... after 1.5 year, close to ? 20hours flight time? (i dun fly frequently) I've 3 major crashes, can't remember the small ones... but all caused by pilot or electronics error.
I'm still on the same boom... 4th set of brass inserts. broke 4 sets of blades... bought 11 mainshfts? ( 5 oroingal , 5 clone) - still on my 3rd set of small gears, second main gear,
3rd set of pitch compensator rings, same rotor head..... It's hard to keep track...

What i did notice is, my crash rate started to drop after I started to sim, and do preflight and postflight checks... which is standard for every heli.....

Hornets weren't designed to withstand crashes in the first place.... Cos if they were, They'll all look like MaxiRs...

DArk, there's one thing a X3D can't match up to a hornet2!!! It's got MORE carbon fibre... LOL....

11-23-2005 Over year old.

Nick T
Senior Heliman
Location: West Sussex, UK

Wow - ive had nothing but success with my X3D - easy to setup, does not wear - 15 hours airtime on it now and only one rebuild of a few bits (flew into a bird table!).

I think this model, if set up slowly in the first instance by someone with a fair bit of patience/experience, is a gem.

Nick T

11-24-2005 Over year old.

johnny b
Senior Heliman
Location: Central Coast, CA

www.ericlarsonrc.com

Now I'm a noob, but Eric's site has set-up for 2004, 2005 year Hornet II's and the X3d. Read all three and follow them to the letter, and what he says mirrors what the regulars on this board say--

Its a great little heli, but it needs to be set-up (and maintained!) at close to perfect levels. There is little to NO margin of error in set-up on a micro heli this size, this capable. Just the price to be paid for something you can 3d in your backyard.

11-26-2005 Over year old.

meatbomber
Senior Heliman
Location: Klatovy, Czech Republic

Well maybe the bad spell's broken

Just took my H2 outside and let her RIP !
9 mins at around freezing on my 900mAh pack, did some acro and it flew great, there is a little wag in hover that will go away as soon as you load the disk (pitch) or fly forward.

When she flies she's a great Heli !

MB

11-29-2005 Over year old.

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TonyTypeS
Key Veteran
Location: New Orleans, LA

My curse has been broken. I got 10 flights in so far and no crashes. Thats a record. Lol Well I would of had a crash yesturday but I caught the problem before I took off. I was hovering fine in the house but when I bought it out I had no tail control. Found out the problem. I took off on grass and the tail was stuck on the grass so when I spooled up the cronical gear slipped from the shaft. I love walts tail upgrade. The ends of the shaft are metal so if the tail gears gets stuck for some reason the gears will just slip than twist like the stock carbon shaft. I add just a tad bit of CA to glue the cronical gear to the shaft.

Must have more POWER!
Avant FX
Fueled by addiction

11-29-2005 Over year old.

ADRYAN
Key Veteran
Location: Stouffville, Ontario, Canada

NEWB HELI VIDEO Part 4 HORNET TRIM

Just hovering around and trimming the tail.

CONSEQUENTLY, I broke the gain knob on the gyro (CSM HGL200) while making adjustments...huhuhu.... and that was the end of that for the evening.

You're right... it may be cursed......

NEWB HELI VIDEO Part 4 HORNET TRIM
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12-05-2005 Over year old.

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Micro-Maniac
Elite Veteran
Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

Adryan,

Are you using a governer mode on your esc and gyro in hh mode? It looked like the tail was being torqued around. If so, running a throttle curve instead might settle it down. Even if it's a strait 100-100-100 it might not be as torquey.

My curves are:
Normal - 0-25-40-55-100
Idle-up1 - 100-90-85-90-100
Idle-up2 - 125-125-125

Axi Twister/MS-116 esc.

12-06-2005 Over year old.

johnny b
Senior Heliman
Location: Central Coast, CA

That tail's not wagging, its whiplashing. Something's going on there.

Ideas:

Make sure the servo horns move freely but don't have slop in them. I've rebuilt several Hornets now--the one I bought from a guy who said he couldn't get the tail to hold, the servo horn hole was much larger than the metal pin that goes through it, slop city.

Move the servo to the tail? Shorten up the pushrod travel length, keep it from binding/bending over its travel distance.

Are you using an hs50 or similar "fast" servo?

My guess is slop or binding somewhere to cause that whiplash effect.

12-06-2005 Over year old.

DarkHorse1
Senior Heliman
Location: Gloucester UK

Hornet CP mrk1, wood blades on 3 cells and heard the CC P10 arming...new gyro then

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Hey that tail did look a little wild throughout, wasn't holding confidently with torque changes. I would have to think twice before trying to take off.

12-06-2005 Over year old.

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ADRYAN
Key Veteran
Location: Stouffville, Ontario, Canada

Thanks guys for replying... I've been trying to figure out the tail. So far as a result, the CSM LW200 (heading hold gyro) broke at the pot adjustment while I was going to lower it to maybe around 50 percent. I was thinking that may be able to hold it more steady. So now that that broke, I've replaced it with a Century pico piezo gyro (rate) that I was gonna use for my mini dragonfly. I've also mounted it on the rear by the the collective servos. It's now adjusted to almost the lowest gyro setting that there could be. I'm using a TowerPro SG90 for the tail (.12 secs/60degrees) and the pushrod (2mm cf rod) is connected to maybe 5mm from the centre of the horn. And, there is no slop on the tail/pushrod/servo assembly.
So now... in order for me to get to about where I was on the video (but somewhat slightly steadier)... I had to increase my pitch from 25-45-55 (3-point curve) to 25-55-65 and lower my throttle curve from 0-45-100 to 0-42-100. I haven't had the time to use the pitch gauge to measure the blades but I'm guessing that I'm in the air before midstick. My power supply comes from Feigao 4462 Kv Brushless motor 18 amp constant 25 amp max (which I bought n.i.b. from someone who was going to use it for a T-rex), 3S TP1320 lipos and a Castle Creations Phoenix 25 (I have it set for self calibration and not the governor mode...I'm still a NEWB... and just the basics). I haven't set it up for idle up 1 for 3d yet up until i'm able to figure out the normal flight mode setting (I have a JR XP652). Right now I have it set so 0 degrees is the lowest... I broke the MS Composit CF blades when I tried to trim it with -5,0,+10. And, the only available blades from the lhs with minor mod was the century wood blades. I even had to extend the tail, after I broke the 2 original ms cf booms and replaced with an arrow shaft extended to fit the blades.
ANY HELP would be great coming from you guys. Thanks.

Adryan

p.s. Worse comes to worse... I'm thinking of pulling my JR gyro from my raptor since it's winter and slap it on the hornet.... and maybe replace with a 401 in the spring.

12-06-2005 Over year old.

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