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Audacity Models Pantera 50 - Tiger 50 > Tiger 50 - smoking hole in the ground
 
 
jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

Today I witnessed a Tiger 50 plow straight in. Chris was flying Bobby Smith's Tiger 50 and had been at the sticks perhaps a minute or two when it just continued on a vertical dive and made a smoking hole in the ground. The radio was dead, totally dead, so there was nothing to do but watch it make a terminal dive into terra firma. When I saw it return to the pit area, I was surprised because other than blades the damage was pretty light. Damage includes;

1) AUD0055 Seesaw Arms $14.99
1) AUD1518 tail Boom - $9.99
1) AUD0530 Radio Platform - $15.99
1) AUD1520 Boom Steadies - $16.99
1) AUD0003 Main Shaft - $9.99
1) AUD0016 Spindle Shaft - $6.99
1) AUD1510 Clutch Lining - $2.99

Believe me, because this thing suffered radio failure and dove hard into the ground I wasn't the only person amazed at how light the overall damage was (and actually, the total is a bit higher that normal because canopies usually survive accidents - but this Tiger made a very hard arrival). Interestingly enough, the frames (as usual) weren't hurt at all. Folks, this puppy hit some kind of hard - you had to be there to see it (it looked like a lawn dart) and I am so blown away at how much helicopter survived I had to share this with you!

For some reason, my crashes don't have the clarity of watching somebody elses heli crash - probably because I don't have the emotional attachment and adrenaline - plus I'm not fighting to save it, so I can just be an observer.


John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models
11-06-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Learn to Fly
Key Veteran
Location: Yalesville Connecticut

I wish I took a picture of mine...I pulled mine out of the ground...it was buried 5 inches into the ground. I broke EVERY part imaginable, canopy and all. I did it good!!!


Jeff
Believe nothing you hear, and half of what you see...
11-07-2005 Over year old.
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Jeff Pfeifer
Senior Heliman
Location: Bolivar, MO

Ouch!
11-07-2005 Over year old.
 
 
SMITHB72866
Senior Heliman
Location: FLORIDA

I t really wasnt that bad come to find out regulator failed
it went stragiht in from about 20 feet up
totall damage
tail boom
boom supports
spindle
main shaft
fly bar
canopy



Bobby
11-08-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Diesel_1
Heliman
Location: Covington, GA

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For some reason, my crashes don't have the clarity of watching somebody elses heli crash - probably because I don't have the emotional attachment and adrenaline - plus I'm not fighting to save it, so I can just be an observer.

How true!

Kevin Garver www.dieselsdomain.com
11-08-2005 Over year old.
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majorsmackdown
Heliman
Location: Portland, OR

what's up with the $100 clutch ?

First heli crash is a total.. my tiger 50 suffered from loss of control (I'm going to blame weak servos for that), and I have theories on that I can discuss later - but in that, it landed skids down a bit hard (didn't break the skids, or frame at all) and it's my fault what happened next - I had 4 subc batteries all the way in the nose for capacity and balance weight, and the inertia of that broke off the radio tray. I had double sided taped my radio tray extension to the radio tray, the double sided tape held fine, but the tray broke. As inexperienced as I am, I had the governor attached to the top of my receiver, and when the tray broke it unplugged all the wires from the governor and I had no way to shut down the engine, it chicken danced until the clutch blew up then I could stifle the muuffler to shut her down. So don't let your stuff come unplugged in a crash ! ahehaea the repair list was what I'd expect, about $150 bucks, except the clutch and clutch bell add just about another $100 to the cost. I saw the raptor clutch and bell can be had for about $25 bucks. (ya ya ya, raptor schmaptor). My clutch bell exploded while it was revved up, and so did the clutch by the way.. Has anyone had this problem and found a cheaper way to fix it ? I'm seriously now considering a raptor as a cheaper alternative for learning to fly. Parts are not quite as cheap for the tiger as you might think. Here are some vids of noob's flying - we have 3 months on helis now and starting to get some moves in (we being - John and Colby). The john vids are with the tiger. She flys fine - and of course not designed for crashing, but that is an inevitable part of the game. Clutch fix cheap ??

http://corebreach.slappy.org/~john/.../our_club_vids/
02-13-2006 Over year old.
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majorsmackdown
Heliman
Location: Portland, OR

aud0530 radio tray 15.99
aud0021 canopy mount lugs 7.99
aud1004 tail shaft 6.99
aud0520 tail rotor hub 7.99
aud0508 belt 24.99
aud0043 tail rotors 4.99
aud1518 boom 9.99
boom supports - go raptor 12 est
flybar - go raptor 9 est
paddles - go raptor 10 est
aud3050 linkage to blade grips ??
aud0016 spindle 6.99
aud0003 main shaft 9.99
aud0055 seesaw ram (have) 14.99
aud0538 clutch 44.99
aud0526 clutch bell 49.94
aud0031 main gear (1bad tooth) 9.99
main rotor blades 70
aud0044 plastic fins 8.99
aud1016 canopy - with windsheild or not ? 24.99 (optional)
TOTAL 265.81

ouch.
02-13-2006 Over year old.
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perfesser zero
Key Veteran
Location: Dublin, VA., USA

jbeech...

jbeech...
Tell him to buy a new heli (like he's not going to know that anyway). Easier, cheaper and he's going to have to rebuild it anyway in the long run....

majorsmackdown...
Yeah what's up with that? I did a check on the clutch and bell cost last night and find it rather interesting that it is that high. Even my Hawk bell is only $30 and fits the 30-50 size helis. I have the metal one and even that's high if you ask me. Good thing I have a spare. They come with the clutch lining and spur gear. However no bearings are included. What's the real chances of you blowing one up or damaging it in a crash? <---Yes this is a real question!

Later...

Tiger 50 - OS 50SX-H
Hawk Sport - OS 37SZ-H
Raptor 30 - OS 37SZ-H
JR 10X/R950S
02-14-2006 Over year old.
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majorsmackdown
Heliman
Location: Portland, OR

I think all would have been fine if I was smart enough to organize my electronics to keep together in a crash event. I had all the things working against me - the 4 sub c's are kinda heavy and all the way up front, snapping the radio tray and unplugging the throttle servo from the governor, it just sat there screaming until it exploded. It's my first heli kaboom, so I don't know what the odds are. ahehaea. I've learned something about electronics placement though. Good, I'm not the only one finding a 100 dollar clutch a little extreme (by about 4 times)

http://corebreach.slappy.org/~john/...ds/tiger50pics/
02-14-2006 Over year old.
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tapeworm
Heliman
Location: Atlanta, Ga

Man I feel your pain. I'm used to pounding in my heli in. I was fine with the repair cost. Then one day I went in full throttle and my battery blew up and it went and did the chicken dance and killed that clutch. I don't think I'm going to even mess with fixing that thing after I saw the cost.

Eric
02-14-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Foxden
Key Veteran
Location: Port Charlotte, FL. USA

I'm on Ricks web site and the clutch parts are listed as follows:

AUD0526 Clutch Bell $39.99
AUD0538 Clutch $37.99

Where are you getting your prices? these add up to $77.98 not the $94.93 listed in your post.

I agree with perfesser zero
if you have to replace that many parts just buy a kit and you'll end up with extras, the kit is about $15 cheaper than and ARF and you won't have to break the ARF down to get the replacement parts you need.

Clyde Fox
Port Charlotte FL
RJX of USA Field Rep
Team Rotorworkz
Morgan Fuel Rep
02-14-2006 Over year old.
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majorsmackdown
Heliman
Location: Portland, OR

I got all those prices from the parts link on www.audacitymodels.com (genesis hobby) ok, ricks is a bit cheaper that's good - but still a bit high.

ok, good news for me - I just looked at genesis again and the part numbers that were good earlier today (from my prev. post), for the 2 clutch parts are no longer good - they've been replaced it looks like with AUD5526, and AUD5538 - the original AUD0526, AUD0538 appear to be gone. the good news - the prices have dropped by half, to 24.99, and 29.99. about double the raptor equivalent parts, but much better than the nearly 100 bucks they were earlier. I don't know, but I'm guessing nobody else blew up a clutch yet and had a chance to point out those prices were out of line ??

http://www.genesishobby.com/SearchR...p?Search=clutch
02-14-2006 Over year old.
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majorsmackdown
Heliman
Location: Portland, OR

tapeworm,

look at my recent post, the prices have dropped considerably today on the clutch parts.

foxden,

heahea, I can do simple math - at 265 it looks like kit time, but the parts list would come out to about 240 to fully repair the heli, with the 95 dollar clutch, only about 200 with the updated price on the clutch parts. I already have a whole nother kit NIB, but I'm now tinkering with the idea of selling it and going raptor after seeing how much repair parts are for the tiger. Raptor parts appear to be much cheaper and have an aftermarket avenue as well. But I'm not done, there's a chance I just make my own clutch and clutch bell to justify keeping the tiger for one more go around. (don't let your throttle servo disconnect from your reciver.)
02-14-2006 Over year old.
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zipphreak
Senior Heliman
Location: Providence, RI

EDIT:
Thanks for clarifying the clutch assembly issue. I spoke too soon
02-14-2006 Over year old.
 
 
hootowl
Elite Veteran
Location: Garnet Valley, Pa.

Quote 
Don't let the Tiger marketing fool you.


Didn't fool me. I bought mine before I read any marketing. If anything is drastically out of line with parts than I simply buy aftermarket parts that work. Not a new concept. Just like with the Raptor, you dump the weak stuff with parts of your choice.

Member Bog Troll Club #1
02-14-2006 Over year old.
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perfesser zero
Key Veteran
Location: Dublin, VA., USA

majorsmackdow

The new prices on the clutch and bell sound great. Just one more reason to go ahead with the Tiger. Those prices are at least in line with most others. I'm at least two weeks away before a purchase and I'm getting more excited about this as time goes by. BTW, what kind of performance can I expect out of a OS .50 SX-H (non-hyper).

Later...

Tiger 50 - OS 50SX-H
Hawk Sport - OS 37SZ-H
Raptor 30 - OS 37SZ-H
JR 10X/R950S
02-14-2006 Over year old.
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tapeworm
Heliman
Location: Atlanta, Ga

It's good to hear about the new prices. I may now rebuild my 2nd tiger..

Eric
02-14-2006 Over year old.
 
 
majorsmackdown
Heliman
Location: Portland, OR

zero,

I have the non-hyper in mine, and it rocked, with enough pitch in the pitch curve. But I've found that more than 9ish pitch in the curve caused wild out of control gyrations. I can only guess the weakling 3151 servos are to blame. if I rebuild it I'll go with 9252 like I put in my sceadu. I never had the loss of control in that heli with the same thumbs at the controls, doing the same "stunts". ahehahe Here's a possible comment/tip. I ran the woodies and didn't really like them compared to the carbon fiber rotors, so I put carbon fiber rotors on and things were great with the pitch curve coming out to about +/- 9, and 1950 - 2000 rpm. but I busted the carbon rotors on a bad auto rotation, I couldn't get more carbon ones quickly enough so I tried some hirobo fiberglass ones I had - the heli all of a sudden had no climb power at all. I had forgotten about my earlier problems with the +11 pitch, and I dialed more pitch in for the fiberglass rotors to get some sweet climb rates again. Well, I brought back this crazy side sweeping motion of the heli when transitioning from quick positive/zero/negative pitch, and it got me. I can only surmise that the added pitch puts more strain on the servos and they gave up - so this might be a concern/warning to y'all.
02-14-2006 Over year old.
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jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

I have to agree with majorsmackdown how the clutch and clutch bell prices seem out of line - but everything isn't as it seems. Let me explain . . . and please understand that I don't do everything around here. For example, the website is something delegated to another. Anyway, I investigated to get you some answers.

First, I learned pricing is mostly determined by how we are being sold these units. And in the case of the clutch bell and clutch assmemblies, I am responsible for the assemblies being offered (more later). But I also learned everything isn't quite like it's been presented - I'll explain further in a few moments.

Second, the present iteration of our website sucks, i.e. it doesn't clue you in to what's included with your purchase . . . and I take full responsibility for this also! The reason is simply that we're working on a replacement website (to resolve a host of issues with the present one). Unfortunately, this is taking longer than expected (for which I can only ask your patience). However, this also means we're not devoting resources to the exisiting website (because we know we're about to replace it). Understand what's going on?

Third, we didn't have all our parts listed correctly on the website in the first place. Again, I take full responsibility. Please let me explain in more detail.

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AUD5526 Clutch Bell Asssmebly $44.99 - this is an assembly, which includes AUD0526 Clutch Bell, AUD3075 Bearing, AUD3077 Bearing, the pinion gear itself, plus AUD1510 Clutch Lining.

Is this overpriced? I don't think so because it's important to note that because this is an "assembly" it means the clutch lining has been epoxied into the clutch bell. Furthermore, the small bearing has been pressed into the clutch bell. Plus the pinion gear is included and has been installed (with thread locker) to the clutch bell. Finally, the large bearing has been pressed onto the pinion gear (with adhesive).

By way of comparison, let's examine similar part offerings . . .

Hirobo Sceadu 50 is $50.41 (w/o top bearing like AUD3077)
http://www.ronlund.com/Merchant2/me...uct_Code=412118

Venture 50 is $44.99 (doesn't include AUD3077 type bearing)
http://www.ronlund.com/Merchant2/me..._Code=JRP960724

Anyway, I take full responsibility for offering this as an assembly. We do so largely because some of my customers don't have the press for the small bearing and would appreciate this convenience. Furthermore, the lining had been epoxied into the clutch bell, which is a real time saver (in my opinion). Thus, I feel this assembly is priced fairly in light of what's included (plus what has been done for you). However, if you disagree, there's another way to source the parts!

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AUD0526 Clutch Bell $24.99 - this is another assembly, but only in that the AUD3075 bearing is included and has been pressed into the clutch bell for you. Again, this is done for the convenience of the customer because the bearing is very small (and exceedingly easy to damage during the installation), which will result in problems down the road.

By way of comparison, the clutch bell alone w/bearing for a competing unit.

Raptor 90SE is $23.99 from Rick's
http://www.ronlund.com/Merchant2/me...gory_Code=R90SE

- or -

Raptor 90SE is $24.99 from Heliproz
http://www4.mailordercentral.com/he...p?number=132415

. . . and before someone cries foul, because our clutch and clutch bell are the size of the Raptor 90SE units, this is a more accurate comparison vs. the tiny Raptor 50 clutch and bell.

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AUD0538 Clutch $24.99 - w/o bearing (i.e. the clutch itself)

AUD5538 Clutch Assembly $29.99 - this has AUD3072 Oneway bearing pressed into the clutch for you.

By way of comparison:

Raptor 90 Clutch is $24.19 (w/bearing) at Rick's
http://www.ronlund.com/Merchant2/me...gory_Code=R90SE

Sceadu EVO 50 is $38.72 (no oneway bearing, includes short shaft)
http://www.ronlund.com/Merchant2/me...uct_Code=412119

Venture 50 is $37.99 (w/bearing)
http://www.ronlund.com/Merchant2/me..._Code=JRP960722

Please note: the Chinese Thunder Tiger is far less expensive than the Japanese units but only slightly less expensive than ours!

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AUD1510 Clutch Liner $2.99 (two included)

By way of comparison:

Raptor 90 $5.57 (three included)
http://www.ronlund.com/Merchant2/me...gory_Code=R90SE

Kyosho 30 is $6.99 (one included)
http://www.ronlund.com/Merchant2/me...oduct_Code=H997

So as always, there's more to the story than may first appear to the eye. This has been my 2¢ on the subject. Thanks for letting me explain what's really going on.


John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models
02-14-2006 Over year old.
 
 
hootowl
Elite Veteran
Location: Garnet Valley, Pa.

Tiger50/Audacity customer service...

Second to NONE!

Member Bog Troll Club #1
02-14-2006 Over year old.
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