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Pipeous
Veteran
Location: Surrey, BC, Canada

If anybody lives near this guy, or plans to do any dealings, I want you all to know he has taken my stuff and never shipped me this heli. He refuses to answer emails or return phone calls. The police have been contacted in his area. I have filed a complaint with rcu allready and will be pasting this info around the internet everywhere to protect others and hope someone can help me out.
thanks

jeff sater
258 pico vista
novato, CA 94947
USA
chokeonitb@aol.com

4155951587 cell and 4158978737 home.

and just when I was about to get back to flying after a long racing season. this sucks as I traded off a blinged out truck. anyway, any help you could offer me would be appreciated.
11-03-2005 Over year old.
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Throwaway1
Heliman
Location: Issaquah, Washington, USA, EARTH

Just an observation here, but...

...did you ever consider that doing business with someone that actually USED an email address that translated to "Choke On It, Bitch", might be a little risky?

It amazes me how people ignore these obvious "Lack of Character" red flags.

Best of luck to you, though.

My Favorite Heli Recipe: Open Box, Add MONEY!
11-03-2005 Over year old.
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Pipeous
Veteran
Location: Surrey, BC, Canada

well considering I have done about 500 transactions and this was my first bad deal....

thanks for the kind words buddy, your sentiments are so heartfelt
11-03-2005 Over year old.
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Throwaway1
Heliman
Location: Issaquah, Washington, USA, EARTH

Yea...I suppose after that many win-wins, I could see how a fella might let his guard down.

BTW...I drove through British Columbia a few years back on my way to Alaska. I truly envy you. That is some of the most beautiful country on the planet. Stunning landscapes. Outstanding park system. Great roads.

Oh Canada! "Good Government" and all that.

All my best, and sincerely now... best of luck in this situation.

My Favorite Heli Recipe: Open Box, Add MONEY!
11-04-2005 Over year old.
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gkoutsis
Key Veteran
Location: Greek stuck in Belgium

You paid via Paypal?

George
11-04-2005 Over year old.
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Pipeous
Veteran
Location: Surrey, BC, Canada

Well after I got some info on this guy and had people attempt contact and some were going to stop by, he finally emails me back.... I will just paste the last 2 emails here. it's good because he has admitted that he never shipped the heli (though last contact he was going to ship it on Oct 27 with money he borrowed then disappeared as he got the boat (his part of the trade)


dude, what the **** are you doing? are you ****ing stupid. now you might not get it. i told you i was broke and i would send it when i get some money. well i just started working again and i am waiting a pay check. i have been away from my computer all last week. now im on it again and i see this. what the ****? you are the asshole. ive already explained myself to you. so well just see what happens? if i even see a cop near or around my street, you will not get the copter. so how you feel about that.

Jeffrey C Sater


-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Wilson
To: chokeonitb@aol.com
Sent: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:50:17 -0800
Subject: Re: heli


ok I have just finished notifying your local police deptartment. this is getting silly now, I don't want to have to press charges but you are leaving me no choice
Barry

>From: chokeonitb@aol.com
>To: pipeous@hotmail.com
>Subject: Re: heli
>Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:07:07 -0400
>MIME-Version: 1.0
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>my girlfriend just got back. she said she is going to give me the money to >ship out the heli. so by tomarrow your package should be on its way.
>
> Jeffrey C Sater
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Barry Wilson
>To: chokeonitb@aol.com
>Sent: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 01:37:09 -0700
>Subject: Re: heli
>
>
>I understand the cash flow thing. am there myself. had to sell a few >things.
>thanks Jeff, I am just anxious to have a heli to tinker with again
>Barry
>
> >From: chokeonitb@aol.com
> >To: pipeous@hotmail.com
> >Subject: Re: heli
> >Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:06:16 -0400
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> >hey barry. sorry its taking so long. to tell you the truth, im a little > >short of the cash to send it today. i am going to borrow the money > >tomarrow. so dont worry, tomarrow i will have some tracking numbers for > >you. promise bro. im not jacking you up. dont worry im for real. not > >gonna burn you. promse.
> >
> > Jeffrey C Sater




The last email was sent right after as I mentioned I had the private investigator and friends able to swing by...

go ahead asshole. now that you have threatened me you can **** off!

Jeffrey C Sater


-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Wilson
To: chokeonitb@aol.com
Sent: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:06:11 -0800
Subject: Re: heli


Well it is now 4pm and still no word, I guess I have no alternative now but to file charges with your local police department. you do realize mail fraud is an indictable offense? sorry I have no choice now since you don't return either Michael's or my emails and calls.

we can end this now without further complications if you;d just supply me with a tracking number. I think you shipping priority now is definately in order since I have had to wait an extra week with no contact. I also want you to know I have friends in Petaluma and I will be giving them your address and contact info tomorrow.
Barry Wilson


so now I send this all to his police department. I needed proof of intent to press charges which I now have it
11-06-2005 Over year old.
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Pipeous
Veteran
Location: Surrey, BC, Canada

it was a trade

he has sen me another email.

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well thats good for you. now just try and do all that.

Jeffrey C Sater


-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Wilson
To: chokeonitb@aol.com
Sent: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 13:18:16 -0800
Subject: Re: heli


you totally ignore me when you said you were shipping it, you don't return phone calls, and I am not to believe you have burned me?
the honest thing to do would have been to keep in touch. last thing you said was you had borrowed the money and were shipping the heli. next day the boat arrived to you and you disappear. your ****ing rights I am getting mad. if you can't follow through with what you said, then the least you should have done was let me know..

october 26 is my last contact with you, almost 2 weeks ago you said and I quote as I have saved every email for the police in case this happens...

my girlfriend just got back. she said she is going to give me the money to ship out the heli. so by tomarrow your package should be on its way.

Jeffrey C Sater

so if you shipped it on the 27 like you said you were, and given me the tracking number like you were supposed to, it would have been on the up and up. Michael has called and called, as have other people and you were home sick so it would have taken nothing to send an email. but you with little feedback, chose to avoid me, instead of letting me know.

thanks for that last email by the way, that is perfect evidence for the police you intend to steal and now I have grounds to press charges as you admitted you hadn't sent and don't intend to. perfect. I will call your police department right now and let them know, as well as other agencies. I have the rest of the info from the private investigator. you never intended to ship, it's obvious, but you must have allready figured that I have gone a long ways to ending this, now it shall come to fruition. I am honest, have a great repitation, am bonded and licensed with the attorney general and I know law...
cheers
Barry

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the loss I can take, though I have heard back from the PI and he suggests I leave it a couple days to let him ship the heli.
11-07-2005 Over year old.
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ShempHoward
Key Veteran
Location: San Francisco, Ca - too many beggars + bad drivers

Maybe BrianW can help as he lives in Novato or very close by. PM him about it.
11-07-2005 Over year old.
 
 
rotor- shark
Veteran
Location: uk

if your sure the address is genuine,then sombody needs to stop by this persons house to have a polite word.
11-07-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Pipeous
Veteran
Location: Surrey, BC, Canada

yes, he accepted a ups delivery, and a 411 search also confirmed he does. a friend has a brother in law that is a PI in Cali and he checked as well from there and he is indeed listed at the address
his account on rcu has been suspended now too
http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=137891

I am trying to not call the police, I do understand if he had money troubles, been there... heck I am there lol

I sold another rc to pay my shipping. I start work again tomorrow so it's all good, but if he couldn't afford to ship, why did he make the trade offer in the first place? I had to wait for paypal to clear to my account on something else before I could ship my stuff out, so I tossed more things in for the wait but was up front with the person, that's all I wanted from this guy. I am sure any of you would have lost it as bad as I did when I couldn't get a freaking return call or email until I got nasty. can you blame me?
11-07-2005 Over year old.
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wedge
Elite Veteran
Location: Victoria BC, Canada

I don't blame you at all, I commend your for your restraint. If it were me I would of really lost it . I hope the police get involved and string this guy up, you cant get away with sh*t like this, and he needs to realize that.

Victoria BC, Canada, Century Swift,Trex SA 450, Hummingbird V3.
11-07-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Mikes machines
Heliman
Location: Seville, Ohio

Quote 
...did you ever consider that doing business with someone that actually USED an email address that translated to "Choke On It, Bitch", might be a little risky?


nothing like kicking a guy when he's down, it could happen to any of us.
11-07-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Mikes machines
Heliman
Location: Seville, Ohio

Quote 
...did you ever consider that doing business with someone that actually USED an email address that translated to "Choke On It, Bitch", might be a little risky?



QUOTE]It amazes me how people ignore these obvious "Lack of Character" red flags.[/QUOTE]

nothing like kicking a guy when he's down, it could happen to any of us.
11-07-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Pipeous
Veteran
Location: Surrey, BC, Canada

thanks for the bump. everyone should know
11-07-2005 Over year old.
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rotor- shark
Veteran
Location: uk

it would be good if the police were involved,they can be very persuasive in cases like this,by letting the guy know that it's in his best interests to ship the stuff to you.
11-07-2005 Over year old.
 
 
bark
Heliman
Location: AZ.

Good Luck

I hope you get this mess straightened out.I can sympathize with you.I had a deal go south a while back,but luckily I got my money back.There were a few days there when I did'nt know which way my deal was gonna go.Nothing like that feeling when you think you've been duped.Thanks for letting us all know about your experience with this guy.

Suck,Squeeze,Bang,and Blow!!
11-07-2005 Over year old.
 
 
carcrasher
Key Veteran
Location: east coast

If he didn't have money to ship it then why do the deal? Shipping a heli isn't cheap you know. If he got the money from his girlfriend why didn't he ship it?
11-07-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Pipeous
Veteran
Location: Surrey, BC, Canada

Update

I spoke to the Novato Police Dept today. They had me contact the District Attorney's office. The DA has sent me off all the paperwork to have charges pressed.
While the police won't send out a car for my phone call, the DA instructed me to take all the documentation to my local police and they could contact the novato police and have them "assist" in the investigation and send a car around.

I have 60 emails and contracts on the cd, and have also copied the websites and provided all the people I contacted. This is such a hassle but I can't stop now. This guy has to learn not to steal and all parties I talked to agree and have been very helpful.... just the red tape crap and hoops to jump through. writing a few letters and such is really not all that bad, just the waiting game


if anyone feels like phoning those numbers above to remind him it is serious (and you get free long distance, no sense in it costing you money) it would be appreciated. I will also try calling again myself and maybe explaining to his woman how far out of hand this is getting as she probably doesn't know it is going this far.
11-08-2005 Over year old.
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lonnewheli
Senior Heliman
Location: USA

Sorry to hear your story. I think most people are honest, just few of them are bad. I buy online a lot and all transaction I done are good and safe, and I got what I paid for so far.
11-09-2005 Over year old.
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bathmagic
Senior Heliman
Location: Berwick,Victoria, Australia

heli

keep us posted as to the outcome

sorry you ahve ahd to go through this crap

3DMP , Vbar 600 "Innovation" The key to success !
11-09-2005 Over year old.
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